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Raenir Salazar posted:My deck is also crippled by things like Blood Moon, or the "You can't untap non-basic lands" or "you can only untap X permaments this turn" which one of the other players likes to bring out. Your group has a stax player and yet they complain about slivers jesus just make new friends because yours suck
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A Moose posted:I feel like pretty much any deck running blue should have a couple counterspells. Even if they're mostly just to protect your threat from a board wipe or something, you can always use your 1 Negate to counter a game-winning spell by another player and save everyone. It's a fun puzzle to think about if you can let something resolve to hold on to your limited counterspells to protect your wincon later. I like including regular old Counterspell and Swan Song in any Blue deck these days. Fierce Guardianship if budget allows (if I'm building it with real cards and not proxies). People get so incredibly salty when they think you're shields down and you hit 'em with that one.
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Oct 4, 2023 15:57
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If you're not running Wash Away, Tale's End and An Offer You Can't Refuse in every deck that can run them, you're doing it wrong
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Oct 4, 2023 17:17
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I'm not a huge fan of wash away, but on a budget it's OK. Ice Out is another one that's really nice if you're in a token deck
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Oct 4, 2023 17:24
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Batterypowered7 posted:I like including regular old Counterspell and Swan Song in any Blue deck these days. Fierce Guardianship if budget allows (if I'm building it with real cards and not proxies). People get so incredibly salty when they think you're shields down and you hit 'em with that one. Any of the free counterspells can be so tilt-inducing. But I also don’t blame people for playing them; I run them, too. Hell, last night I had a Rhystic Study get FoW’d and we all agreed it was the most Commander-y interaction of the night.
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Oct 4, 2023 18:24
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Spanish Manlove posted:I'm not a huge fan of wash away, but on a budget it's OK. Ice Out is another one that's really nice if you're in a token deck At worst, it's Cancel, but its usually U: counter target commander
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Oct 4, 2023 18:37
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Oh cool, Carpet of Flowers in the Paradox Power precon per Gavin. I wonder if the other decks have comparable value or if that one will be like Mind Seize when everyone wanted True-Name Nemesis.
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Silhouette posted:At worst, it's Cancel, but its usually U: counter target commander cancel is pretty middling even in lower power level formats that lack access to stuff like counterspell and mana drain - it's a fine fallback mode, but not one you want to be planning on as the primary means of using the card, which I think you often will be because "counter target commander" is actually pretty narrow not in the sense that you won't have targets (because you always will), but in the sense that there's a pretty high premium/opportunity cost on 1:1 interaction/removal and you really want to be using it on the best possible targets/largest threats (which may very well not include commanders in a given game and/or be nearly impossible to assess given when they come down) or to protect your own key pieces/attempts to win (which, barring unusual circumstances, it can only do in 3 mana for cancel-mode) obviously there's plenty of upside and there are metagames/pods where it'll always be great, but (to split the difference between competitive and casual) consider a game where you're up against something like Edric, Spymaster of Trest, a Talion, the Kindly Lord, and a Sythis, Havest's Hand - sure you can delay any given value engine by a turn or two, but which one are you going to pick?
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Pantsless Hero posted:Oh cool, Carpet of Flowers in the Paradox Power precon per Gavin. I wonder if the other decks have comparable value or if that one will be like Mind Seize when everyone wanted True-Name Nemesis. One of them has Farewell.
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Oct 4, 2023 20:20
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Aphrodite posted:One of them has Farewell. Ahh ok here I am not realizing Carpet was so much cheaper now, thought it was still like $30. The List seems good for cards like that.
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LGD posted:cancel is pretty middling even in lower power level formats that lack access to stuff like counterspell and mana drain - it's a fine fallback mode, but not one you want to be planning on as the primary means of using the card, which I think you often will be because "counter target commander" is actually pretty narrow idk, I feel like it's fine, just because of the number of times its "U - blow someone out of the game because they went soul ring, jeweled lotus, commander". The fact that it CAN counter non-commanders is great. When my opponent is about to wipe the board again, or win on the spot, I would gladly pay X where X is all of my open mana to prevent that from happening. Most people run 0 interaction, so even just throwing a cancel in there means you're ahead of the game. Unless everyone freaks out and your deck is now seen as "the counterspell deck" because you countered 1 spell once, so everyone focuses you down first.
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Oct 4, 2023 21:30
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It's also U: counter target permanent on an adventure/card cast from exile/cascaded bullshit/flipped battle/hideaway card/madness card
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A Moose posted:idk, I feel like it's fine, just because of the number of times its "U - blow someone out of the game because they went soul ring, jeweled lotus, commander". The fact that it CAN counter non-commanders is great. When my opponent is about to wipe the board again, or win on the spot, I would gladly pay X where X is all of my open mana to prevent that from happening. Most people run 0 interaction, so even just throwing a cancel in there means you're ahead of the game. it is fine - hard counterspells are great interaction, sometimes a cancel is just the ticket, and it's pretty easy to come up with examples where "U - counter target commander" is phenomenal but that's a very different matter than "doing it wrong" if you're not putting it in "every deck that can run [it]" commander is a high power level format with a deep card pool where you can only afford to devote so many slots to 1:1 interaction pieces - abstract power level doesn't matter as much as where it stacks up against the competition, and the game has a fair number of "free" counterspells, hard or pseudo-hard (Delay) wide-spectrum counterspells that cost 2 mana (and are therefore more likely to be covered by your available open mana and/or allow you to double spell), 1 cmc options that are narrow in their own way but probably more likely to apply to stopping game winning combos at the critical juncture or protecting your own stuff (An Offer You Can't Refuse, Swan Song), 3+ cmc spells with much more upside, etc. I think it falls squarely into the unfortunate position so many cool cards find themselves in, where it's the Xth best option for a given deck and X is a number that's just slightly higher than the number of copies of that type of effect the deck wants
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Oct 4, 2023 22:16
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Fajita Queen posted:Phyrexian Arena is an awful card nowadays lol i don't care it's in my Marchesa proliferate deck. Gotta keep my life total lower for that dethrone. I also have black market connections too.
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Oct 4, 2023 22:41
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Gynovore posted:A interesting idea. Only problem is that you have a lot of cards that are only good discarded to the commander. No one ever wants to cast Bassara Tower Archer or Venomthrope. It is certainly a gimmick! One reason I want to avoid reanimator is because I don't think any of the creatures are really worth bringing back. I believe I'm leaning toward clones. Turn all the mid creatures with keyword abilities into drawing more cards. Good catch on Darksteel; since it's a replacement effect I imagine it won't add counters?
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Party Miser posted:i don't care it's in my Marchesa proliferate deck. Gotta keep my life total lower for that dethrone. I also have black market connections too. I definitely have a soft spot for it I also wouldn't put black market connections in the same category - phyrexian arena is a slow value engine, black market connections is much more flexible, capable of generating a significantly more value on a per-turn basis (albeit at a higher life cost), affects the board and can accelerate you directly, and is capable of generating and leveraging a bunch of synergistic effects (plays well with cares-about-artifacts, cares-about-tokens, cares-about-creature-types, etbs, etc.)
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Oct 4, 2023 23:58
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Dr. Who cards up on Mythic Spoiler: https://mythicspoiler.com/
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Nanogene Conversion on a germ token seems like fun! Everybody Lives! also seems like one hell of a fog. Just a big ol' "Your turn doesn't matter" when it's played.
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Oct 5, 2023 00:20
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Pseudo-Past in Flames on an Enchantment is interesting.
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Fajita Queen posted:Phyrexian Arena is an awful card nowadays lol haha I think its in every single black containing deck I have.
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Fajita Queen posted:Phyrexian Arena is an awful card nowadays lol It is? 
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i still like it!
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Perhaps awful is overdoing it a tad, but it's just kind of generic and slow, and a whole bunch of niche but better cards have been printed since that make it lose its relevance in any deck that can play to any of those niches, especially if you're also in blue, red, or green. It also stands in stark contrast against Necropotence. If you're in mono-black or BW and aren't doing much with creatures dying or trying to win the game fast, it's probably fine. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Oct 5, 2023 |
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I like http://mythicspoiler.com/who/cards/fleshduplicate.html as an additional Phantasmal Image for copying Docksides and poo poo.
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The One Ring is kind of a super phyrexian arena
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Khanstant posted:The One Ring is kind of a super phyrexian arena Yeah basically
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There are also a lot of games where even something like a night's whisper is going to be more relevant than an arena. Certainly not all of them, it is very playgroup dependant, but if you see a lot of incidental or mass enchantment / noncreature permanent removal then it is likely.
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Arena just runs into the problem in that in best case scenarios, it's probably only getting you 7-8 cards max over the course of the game. And that's assuming you're lucky and get it down on turn 1. Compare that to something like Ad naus (in low-cost decks)/necropotence/peer/all the black tutors, which are going to be way higher value during later parts of the game. And that's staying in black, go into other colours, and card advantage engines start getting way better. Rhystic Study, Mystic remora, sylvan library, all are way better options for card draw than what Arena does if you branch out into other colours.
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Doctor Who spoilers behind spoiler tags in case anyone cares: I hate Universes Beyond, but as I always say, I am not made of stone. I only watched the 9th and 10th Doctors, so I don't know much. It looks like they hit as much as they could because this probably won't happen again, which is probably wise for this type of product. The way the Companions work as having a limited Partner is cool, but it's formatted weird where it says "is the Doctor" instead of "is a Doctor" but whatever, it's thematic. Thought Vessel is a very cool reference where the name sort of works. Mechanically not so much, but I liked the uses of that fob in that season so I'm pleased with its inclusion. City of Death is one of a few older Who stories I have seen, and it is pretty thematic. Cool design space to have a Saga with more than 3 ages. I don't know what the Treasure art is in reference to. I can see Paradox being in non-UB Magic without change. I don't love those reminder texts when overused or individual, but things like Channel and this work fine. Some of these have weird abilities like The Ninth Doctor and River Song and The Face of Boe but I don't know if they compete with 2023 magic cards with as much text as a YuGiOh card. The landscapes are all very pretty, particularly Prairie Stream and Port Town.
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Magnetic North posted:I don't know what the Treasure art is in reference to. City of Death has multiple copies of the Mona Lisa, that's a Mona Lisa but with the model being Romana II (played by Lalla Ward), the Doctor's Companion at the time.
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Batterypowered7 posted:I like http://mythicspoiler.com/who/cards/fleshduplicate.html as an additional Phantasmal Image for copying Docksides and poo poo. Duplicate is going straight into my Kenrith Twins deck since it actually combos with Cloudstone Curio.
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I retooled my Sliver deck because of all this Sliver Drama and now I'm very excited for it to whip rear end. 
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Johnny Truant posted:I retooled my Sliver deck because of all this Sliver Drama and now I'm very excited for it to whip rear end. R.I.P. to llamas
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Batterypowered7 posted:R.I.P. to llamas There should be a Legacy deck called Winamp.
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Johnny Truant posted:I retooled my Sliver deck because of all this Sliver Drama and now I'm very excited for it to whip rear end. I've honestly looked into some "competitive" sliver decks that don't have first sliver as their commander and I'm also prepared to get my revenge. I'll be like, YOU ASKED FOR THIS! You just COULDN'T let me enjoy my simple sliver deck that had a fun gimmick that would let me win more often than not. Infinite Mana Combos, all sorts of cool stuff I couldn't do before or pull off reliably. I just wanted to play a deck that gave me like a random combination of cool slivers and potentially win in different ways instead of being the same win condition of "swing with big creatures", I can potentially mill someone's library with the right combination of slivers, that's cool! I liked seeing what slivers I had to respond to the board basically at random.
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Judging by how you've described your "friends", they'll just keep playing whack-a-mole with banning anything you play that challenges them even a little.
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Play the "you win! Hooray" deck that's a random commander and 99 lands.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I've honestly looked into some "competitive" sliver decks that don't have first sliver as their commander and I'm also prepared to get my revenge. Just go with the classic Sliver Queen/Mana Echoes infinite. No other slivers. Just every way to search for and protect Mana Echoes.
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Spanish Manlove posted:Play the "you win! Hooray" deck that's a random commander and 99 lands. Wait, is there a commander where this works? Like a commander that gets stronger with lands? AlternateNu posted:Just go with the classic Sliver Queen/Mana Echoes infinite. No other slivers. Just every way to search for and protect Mana Echoes. Lol I suspect that's in the deck list I found, along with training grounds.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Wait, is there a commander where this works? Like a commander that gets stronger with lands? That's not the point. The point is to draw a card, play a land, and then say "your turn" in the most passive aggressive way possible. There is an actual version of this that's maelstrom wanderer, kiki-jiki, some other crrature card that goes infinite with kiki-jiki, and then 97 lands. But this is to just be a dick to those friends of yours.
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