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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Wait, is there a commander where this works? Like a commander that gets stronger with lands?

Dakkon Blackblade!

I kept meaning to make a deck with him.

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Spanish Manlove posted:

That's not the point. The point is to draw a card, play a land, and then say "your turn" in the most passive aggressive way possible. There is an actual version of this that's maelstrom wanderer, kiki-jiki, some other crrature card that goes infinite with kiki-jiki, and then 97 lands. But this is to just be a dick to those friends of yours.

I think just playing lands without some kind of gimmick is a bit much, and these are the only friends I have so, I'm stuck with them until I manage to rope in more people into our mtg games. The Kiki jiki idea sounds cool though, so basically play maelstrom maurauder as my commander cascade in Kiki jiki and hopefully have the other creature that combos with it?

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Floppychop posted:

Judging by how you've described your "friends", they'll just keep playing whack-a-mole with banning anything you play that challenges them even a little.

I would bet my entire sliver deck against that goon's that this us the exact scenario

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Raenir Salazar posted:

I think just playing lands without some kind of gimmick is a bit much, and these are the only friends I have so, I'm stuck with them until I manage to rope in more people into our mtg games. The Kiki jiki idea sounds cool though, so basically play maelstrom maurauder as my commander cascade in Kiki jiki and hopefully have the other creature that combos with it?

That's basically it, you play the commander and the cascade into the only two creatures in your deck then instantly win. It's a stupid gimmick that works once then never again.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Raenir Salazar posted:

I think just playing lands without some kind of gimmick is a bit much, and these are the only friends I have so, I'm stuck with them until I manage to rope in more people into our mtg games. The Kiki jiki idea sounds cool though, so basically play maelstrom maurauder as my commander cascade in Kiki jiki and hopefully have the other creature that combos with it?

Zealous Conscripts.

Zealous Conscripts ETBs, respond to the ETB trigger by making a copy with Kiki-Jiki, token copy ETBs, use the token copy's ETB trigger to gain control of and untap Kiki-Jiki, tap Kiki-Jiki to make another copy of Zealous Conscripts. Repeat until you have enough copies of Zealous Conscripts to completely overrun your opponents' board states and swing.

Jiro
Jan 13, 2004

W.T. Fits posted:

Zealous Conscripts.

Zealous Conscripts ETBs, respond to the ETB trigger by making a copy with Kiki-Jiki, token copy ETBs, use the token copy's ETB trigger to gain control of and untap Kiki-Jiki, tap Kiki-Jiki to make another copy of Zealous Conscripts. Repeat until you have enough copies of Zealous Conscripts to completely overrun your opponents' board states and swing.

*Gently puts down a Fog, or Darkness*

Even better is an Inkshield. I want to counter a play with Inkshield soooo bad.

Jiro fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Oct 5, 2023

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
There's a lot of ways to shut down the deck, it's not meant to be competitive

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Johnny Truant posted:

I would bet my entire sliver deck against that goon's that this us the exact scenario

I mean, in fairness to them, I do win with my kaalia dragon tribal, they just complain when I misplay and "throw" the game to the wrong person; Maybe they'll whack a mole if I play more competitive sliver decks, but this hasn't been the norm.

Albeit a lot of those wins were because I misread the artifact that's "sacrifice this for three mana of one colour" to mean "three different colours" so I was Seto kaibaing kaalia turn 1 and swinging with dragons turn 2. Whoops!

In my defense they didn't read the card either. And sadly this has reduced my win rate. :(

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
On the AnythingGood forums MtG thread there are 3 posters complaining about their friend who won't stop trying to slam slivers decks on game night.

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

:11tea::bubblewoop::agesilaus::megaman::yoshi::squawk::supaburn::iit::spooky::axe::honked::shroom::smugdog::sg::pkmnwhy::parrot::screamy::tubular::corsair::sanix::yeeclaw::hayter::flip::redflag:

Khanstant posted:

On the AnythingGood forums MtG thread there are 3 posters complaining about their friend who won't stop trying to slam slivers decks on game night.

lol

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

Just play godo/helm with every red ritual and lands

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

I mean, if we're suggesting being passive-aggressive about it, go full on and build like an Eriette stax/pillowfort deck with Ghostly Prison, Sphere of Safety, Blind Obedience, tax creatures, and a ton of auras that leave the opponents' creatures and artifacts in play but unable to do anything. "Fine, I don't get to play what I want so neither do you."

(Note that I'm not suggesting you actually DO this as it is, as mentioned, rabidly passive-aggressive.)

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Zurai posted:

I mean, if we're suggesting being passive-aggressive about it, go full on and build like an Eriette stax/pillowfort deck with Ghostly Prison, Sphere of Safety, Blind Obedience, tax creatures, and a ton of auras that leave the opponents' creatures and artifacts in play but unable to do anything. "Fine, I don't get to play what I want so neither do you."

(Note that I'm not suggesting you actually DO this as it is, as mentioned, rabidly passive-aggressive.)

Sounds like there's already one of those at the table

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Dr Seuss wrote a story about two stax players going against each other. The north-going stax and the south-going stax are still locked in place even today.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

stax on stax

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Sounds like there's already one of those at the table

To be clear they played stax just the one time, they don't regularly play that deck. It wasn't too bad the one time for a 4 player EDH game because enough people had responses, but it stopped the Slivers cold as I didn't have any mana rock slivers out.

That player does like to play all sorts of spicy decks though. Like the Commander who whenever a player discards or sacrifices a permament they get it in play under their control for free.

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
incredible meta strategy to play tergrid and keep going after other players for their choice of commander lmao

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

ram dass in hell posted:

incredible meta strategy to play tergrid and keep going after other players for their choice of commander lmao

It was a lot worse with my kaalia deck as I have Dragon Mage and Wheel of Fate and the other discard you hand and draw card. :stare:

New Sliver deck, I got it from the net' with some alteration to make it more inline with my sense of fun, adding a couple of slivers.

code:
// 99 Maindeck
// 3 Artifact
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring

// 32 Creature
1 Acidic Sliver
1 Amoeboid Changeling
1 Basal Sliver
1 Biomancer's Familiar
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Cloudshredder Sliver
1 Crystalline Sliver
1 Diffusion Sliver
1 Dormant Sliver
1 Dregscape Sliver
1 Galerider Sliver
1 Gemhide Sliver
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Heart Sliver
1 Homing Sliver
1 Horned Sliver
1 Lavabelly Sliver
1 Manaweft Sliver
1 Morophon, the Boundless
1 Necrotic Sliver
1 Root Sliver
1 Sedge Sliver
1 Sliver Hivelord
1 Sliver Legion
1 Sliver Queen
1 Synapse Sliver
1 Syphon Sliver
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Noble Hierarch
1 The First Sliver
1 Quick Sliver
1 Hibernation Sliver

// 3 Enchantment
1 Mana Echoes
1 Training Grounds
1 Survival of the Fittest

// 14 Instant
1 Assassin's Trophy
1 Chord of Calling
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Fierce Guardianship
1 Force of Will
1 Krosan Grip
1 Mana Drain
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Swan Song
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Flusterstorm
1 Vampiric Tutor

// 38 Land
1 Arid Mesa
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Blood Crypt
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Breeding Pool
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Flooded Strand
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Mana Confluence
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Plateau
1 Polluted Delta
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Savannah
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Scrubland
1 Sliver Hive
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Taiga
1 Temple Garden
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volcanic Island
1 Watery Grave
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Forbidden Orchard
1 Forest (a)
1 City of Brass

// 9 Sorcery
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Living Death
1 Nature's Lore
1 Patriarch's Bidding
1 Time Spiral
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Windfall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Farseek


// 8 Sideboard
// 2 Artifact
SB: 1 Ashnod's Altar
SB: 1 Heartstone

// 1 Creature
SB: 1 Sliver Overlord

// 1 Enchantment
SB: 1 Kindred Discovery

// 1 Instant
SB: 1 Force of Vigor

// 3 Land
SB: 1 Yavimaya Hollow
SB: 1 Cascading Cataracts
SB: 1 Shimmering Grotto
In a test game with one of my friends I got my commander (Sliver Overlord) out turn 3. :getin:

Balon
May 23, 2010

...my greatest work yet.
Throw your deck lists in a deck builder rather than text. Moxfield or Archidekt are best.

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

So I've played the Angels secret lair deck a few times with Giada as the commander and I've really liked it. Anyone tweaked it and have suggestions?

I know I'm putting an Akroma in, but mostly for sentimental reasons as I know she's fallen way behind the power curve.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Floppychop posted:

So I've played the Angels secret lair deck a few times with Giada as the commander and I've really liked it. Anyone tweaked it and have suggestions?

I know I'm putting an Akroma in, but mostly for sentimental reasons as I know she's fallen way behind the power curve.

A card that costs 8 mana that can win you the game in 15 turns, what’s not to like?

If it’s fun though to you play it. You want to run more stuff that cares about angels and generates angels, especially if it’s repeatable like angel token creators.

pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Oct 6, 2023

berenzen
Jan 23, 2012

The real rear end in a top hat move is to make a deck that tutors hard for divergent transformation into tergrid and sire of insanity.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I won. But at what cost?



I did kinda feel bad as once I got the infinite mana combo off and it was starting to take time even with the faster means of doing cascade, but so I offered to not play First Sliver in the deck or the deck anymore but they said the deck was fine, they literally just felt it wasn't fun specifically playing against the First Sliver as a Commander which is a little wild to me because clearly this deck is just way stronger and even faster and way more consistent but alright I guess?

I'll remove some of the other cards I thought were a bit much like Time Spiral, I'll add in Constricting Sliver as I didn't really have an answer for Indestructible Artifacts.

This was a 4 player game, I brought in a new friend to play with us, he was a little surprised at the power levels of some of the decks, and vowed to bring in something more appropriate. :D

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

pseudanonymous posted:

A card that costs 8 mana that can win you the game in 15 turns, what’s not to like?

If it’s fun though to you play it. You want to run more stuff that cares about angels and generates angels, especially if it’s repeatable like angel token creators.

Oh yeah, I know Akroma is objectively not great. But when a friend and I started back in Onslaught she was the biggest, baddest bomb either of us had. So the card is just fun to me.

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaHrUrwNyuw

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Time is a flat circle. We’ve been here before, and we’ll be here again.

I brought my Drake
Jul 10, 2014

These high-G injections have some serious side effects after pulling so many jumps.


The store page for the curious.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

My girl Xantcha's banned??? *cracks knuckles*

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

pseudanonymous posted:

Time is a flat circle. We’ve been here before, and we’ll be here again.

yeah, though always nice to have an example to point to when explaining why I find efforts to curate "fun" through ad-hoc game design interventions to be inherently suspect (dovetailing nicely with sliver drama)

also anonymous internet comments and all, but it sounds like any inferences you may have made about the vibes of the store based on that rule set are probably correct:



LGD fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 6, 2023

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



Seems kinda like a list of every single card the store owner or his friend have ever lost to.

Like you can imagine someone playing a planeswalker they forgot to ban and seeing them just get up and add it to the list and demanding you leave or they call the police.

Or them allowing you to play any random creature, and then you put an equipment on it and attack them with it and they just add it to the list.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Jesus gently caress I am almost curious to see what stupid loving decks get made to fit that psycho's meta. Dude should just play all vanilla creatures and basics decks, no spells/artifacts/enchantments. All too spicy and dangerous for him.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I was almost kicked out of a game store once because of a misunderstanding. I was trying to play games but it was so crowded and the only spot was on the ground by the window with the Sun's glare in my eyes so I suggested we move to a different spot to like the cafe but the owners thought I was trying to steal their business or something. I only heard about this afterwards and just never went back because gently caress them.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

That store hasn’t banned anything that makes Winota work. Yet.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

What a loving miserable experience that looks to be.

I'd rather just play unmodified precons at that rate. At least then no one can complain. (They still will.)

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


Floppychop posted:

So I've played the Angels secret lair deck a few times with Giada as the commander and I've really liked it. Anyone tweaked it and have suggestions?

I know I'm putting an Akroma in, but mostly for sentimental reasons as I know she's fallen way behind the power curve.

My Giada list always wanted/wants more card draw. You know what’s good for card draw? The One Ring.

Also that stupid card won me a game when I played it and gained protection from everything the turn after a dude generated a million trampling tokens. He could only kill the other players at the table, then I swung in for lethal commander damage next turn.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Framboise posted:

What a loving miserable experience that looks to be.

I'd rather just play unmodified precons at that rate. At least then no one can complain. (They still will.)

I imagine that if the store were reduced to unmodified precons only, the store owner would eventually start banning precons they've lost to.

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


TotalHell posted:

My Giada list always wanted/wants more card draw.

That's part of why I put Minas Tirith in mine as yet another source of card draw :eng101:

Another card that nobody really ever sees coming is Comeuppance, probably because it's never been reprinted and some the other commander decks that year were making a lot more waves :v: (hi teferi)

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

War Room is excellent in mono-color decks. I like Endless Atlas in those too. Esper Sentinel, even though it's not an Angel.

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


Framboise posted:

What a loving miserable experience that looks to be.

I'd rather just play unmodified precons at that rate. At least then no one can complain. (They still will.)

"You know, it's really unsporting of you to show up with Breed Lethality when I want to play my Wade Into Battle."

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pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Mix. posted:

That's part of why I put Minas Tirith in mine as yet another source of card draw :eng101:

Another card that nobody really ever sees coming is Comeuppance, probably because it's never been reprinted and some the other commander decks that year were making a lot more waves :v: (hi teferi)

Probably also because it sadly costs 4 mana, it's kind of awesome but who is regularly holding up 4 mana unless it's some cEDH flash rear end in a top hat (like me).

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