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Okay heroes of the horn really got to me.  And I think this was the most fun Mat has been in the whole show.Teen me really liked the Rand vs. Turak swordfight in the book for the "turns out you're actually good at sword stuff" power fantasy so I'm sad to lose it, but the episode didn't really need it. Egwene and Renna played out pretty naturally. Actors good. Kind of wish Nynaeve could do something. Camera lingered on Hopper for way too long, feels manipulative. Moiraine and Lan remain the worst part of the season, it pains me to say, but at least Lan got to be badass for once. Called it on the dragon flying around. Any and all plot holes and coincidences are because of ta'veren.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Any and all plot holes and coincidences are because of ta'veren. yeah i mean a lot of us joked over the years that ta'veren just means 'protagonist' and that's basically just straight up how it works in the books for the most part. it's not particularly surprising if they all coincidentally end up together in a very 'justice league: assemble' kinda way in the tv show. it's just how this poo poo goes. they shuffled a few puzzle pieces around to different spots but this is just how it goes off!
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Changes I liked: I loving CACKLED when I realized in a flash how they had sewn up the Fain/dagger/foxesnsnakes/spear/Matmemories/sidewound wildly disparate book plotline curlicues going all in their own unrelated directions into ONE SINGLE COHESIVE THRU-LINE THAT MAKES SENSE lol lmao wtf Also nearly bawled at hopr holy lol what an episode. Greatest hits bam bam bam
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Get wrecked Turak, you're a side villain.
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So are we assuming they showed Birgette in the pan of the horn heroes?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I need a cigarette
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theblackw0lf posted:So are we assuming they showed Birgette in the pan of the horn heroes? Birgitte’s the one with the blonde hair and the bow standing next to Hélène Tran. E: I liked it. It picked up pace fast and stuck the ending. Rand is still a little weak on agency (he mostly just reacts to situations) but that’s the price of making it more of an ensemble story, which is overall good. And him going after Egwene and Indy-ing Turok and honour guard was a step in the right direction. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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theblackw0lf posted:So are we assuming they showed Birgette in the pan of the horn heroes? She got off quite a few good gratuitous arrow shots in the battle too
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theblackw0lf posted:So are we assuming they showed Birgette in the pan of the horn heroes? wouldn't count that as assuming, unless the tall archer with a long blonde braid that's a hero of the horn is just some nobody
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I hope we get a scene in the first episode of next season that's just Lanfear grabbing Liandrin by the shoulders and ripping her off the street into a dark alley and being like "Pack your things and wrap it the gently caress up, we're joining the Light, don't ask questions!"
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Mat giving Rand the first unhealable would is pretty much what i expected since we got the stabbing prophecy. also i hope the dagger isn't replacing the ashanderai
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haven't read everyone else's posts yet, but here's my summary of this episode in images
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That was a good season. some of the stuff I liked: Mat blowing the Horn, which gave him his memories + battle skills, making him a hero of the horn and making the Ashenderi himself out of the dagger. Hopper  Perrin going wolf-rage mode and killing Bornhald Sr. himself Lan finally getting to be a badass. Moiraine getting to be a badass. Elayne. And I liked that Nynaeve swallowed her pride and admitted that Egwene needed Elayne, because who knows if Nyn will be able to channel. Stuff I didn't like as much: Doing the Igntar self sacrifice scene, but without any of the emotional weight behind it was lame as gently caress. Guess they just didn't have time to flesh Igntar out at all or even make him a darkfriend Nynaeve should have healed Elayne and then not been able to channel otherwise. Rand's "fight" with Ishamael was lame. Egwene freeing herself. th3t00t fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Moiraine broke an Oath, change my mind!
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Never to use the One Power as a weapon except against Darkfriends People shielding the Dragon Reborn and working for a forsaken must be darkfriends therefore blow that poo poo up asap
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Just gonna say that Rand's meet-cute with Elayne being done this way is approximately fifteen fuckloads more plausible and satisfying than in the book
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Except Lan points out there may be innocents and she says "I'll kill 1000 innocents before I let him die"
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Oh I also liked the guy dressed like a old school stage magician in the cold open.
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Data Graham posted:Just gonna say that Rand's meet-cute with Elayne being done this way is approximately fifteen fuckloads more plausible and satisfying than in the book My wife literally said “are they going to fall in love” right before they did the dreamy shot
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Still not quite over Lews Therin having a Dragon brooch that looks like the Mortal Kombat logo made out of macrame and glitter (not a spoiler because it was the same a season ago)
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There was a fair bit of cheese in there like the squad of goons all showing up just in time for Lan to have something to do while Moiraine imitates a nuclear submarine and Rand just stabbing Ishy. I would have loved an Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul from Star Wars Rebels style fight after taking the time to work in the details of Rand(Lews)/Ishamael/Lanfear's relationship. No big flashy sword fight, just a swing swing done kinda deal. Also not in love with Mat being tied to the Horn, but it does put a nice bow on a lot of things as others have mentioned so I will roll with it. Unsure if we will get the Snakes and Foxes stuff. Overall though I loving loved it. MOGHEDION 
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Pleads posted:Except Lan points out there may be innocents and she says "I'll kill 1000 innocents before I let him die" She only needs to convince herself that it's justified, same with lying and anything else an Aes Sedai does. She also says in the books that she would kill any of the boys herself if she thought the Dark One would get them so she isn't above that kind of thinking.
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ragnarokette posted:There was a fair bit of cheese in there like the squad of goons all showing up just in time for Lan to have something to do while Moiraine imitates a nuclear submarine and Rand just stabbing Ishy. I would have loved an Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul from Star Wars Rebels style fight after taking the time to work in the details of Rand(Lews)/Ishamael/Lanfear's relationship. No big flashy sword fight, just a swing swing done kinda deal. Also not in love with Mat being tied to the Horn, but it does put a nice bow on a lot of things as others have mentioned so I will roll with it. Unsure if we will get the Snakes and Foxes stuff. I think Rand vs. Ish works better if you view it as a mercy killing more than a fight. It's Rand manning up and doing what Lews was too much of a proud stubborn shithead to do and giving his old friend the death he wanted all along, and Ishy going "You know what, fine, I'm actually okay with this. Thank you, Lews".
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As they were all standing on the tower at the end I was like "EVERYBODY LEVEL UP"
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nine-gear crow posted:I think Rand vs. Ish works better if you view it as a mercy killing more than a fight. It's Rand manning up and doing what Lews was too much of a stubborn shithead to do and giving his old friend the death he wanted all along. Yeah, It also fits a lot better with Rand and Moridin's relationship in the books which makes sense since show Ishy is waaaaaaaaay less insane than book Ishy.
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rafikki posted:My wife literally said “are they going to fall in love” right before they did the dreamy shot Neither one has seen another Hot Ginger before, they thought they were the only ones.
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in reguards to the oath against killing innocents: You gotta be a pretty poo poo aes sedai not to come up with a way to kill people. All those boats were still floating, which is what Moraine was channeling at, not the people shielding the Dragon. Loved this entire season, Lanfear is just divine and now that we have this Bjork looking Moggy being creeepy af, looks like the show is still going strong on the Forsaken ebing the best I adore that Ishamael and Lanfear were like, yeah, those other Forsaken are bunch of weird gently caress ups, who needs them. Loved the dual in the begining. hated how Nyn did nothing this entire episode. Ahhhhh good show!! Now for Loki.
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Pleads posted:Moiraine broke an Oath, change my mind! Hey, if she can swear a secret fourth oath, she can forswear the other three.
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Morrow posted:It deprives us of Fares Fares for future seasons though since he'll probably be recast as Moridin. Eh, I bet they bring him back anyway.
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Morrow posted:It deprives us of Fares Fares for future seasons though since he'll probably be recast as Moridin. Even with him literally disintegrating I'm still not convinced he's actually dead
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:She only needs to convince herself that it's justified, same with lying and anything else an Aes Sedai does. She also says in the books that she would kill any of the boys herself if she thought the Dark One would get them so she isn't above that kind of thinking. Sure, and I think that is also the justification as a book-knower, but the scene itself makes it look like she just attacked a bunch of ships with people on them because she didn't like what they were up to without really showing the viewers that she was in the headspace where it wouldn't be violating the Oath (and saying a line shortly before that basically contradicts it).
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Eh, I bet they bring him back anyway. Oh yeah, if they swap in Moridin he'll be back as Ishamael to gently caress with his new incarnation somehow.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Eh, I bet they bring him back anyway. Just him using Mask of Mirrors to chat with protagonists
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Zore posted:Yeah, Do we have Word of Rafe that we are getting Moridin then? It's gonna be a shame to lose Fares Fares. I'm inclined to agree with some of the others that was a sword enchanted with balefire so he might be done done. Also it's been a hot minute since I read the books but wasn't that the same line from the very end after defeating the dark one?
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You know, the "you are always my better" was visible 10 miles away but Pike is a good enough actress to have pulled it off anyway. The show itself is good but the acting in general is top shelf.
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ragnarokette posted:Do we have Word of Rafe that we are getting Moridin then? It's gonna be a shame to lose Fares Fares. I'm inclined to agree with some of the others that was a sword enchanted with balefire so he might be done done. The cold open and the climax being mirror images of each other with Ishamael going "just loving kill me, Lews!" and Lews Therin coldly going "No." vs. Rand just hyperstabbing him to death and him falling on the ground and smiling going "Oh thank god, finally, death..." and then getting dusted makes me think this is the end for Ishamael completely. No Moridin, no resurrection, he's done. Otherwise it kind a cheapens his arc. We might see him back for like more Age of Legends flashbacks like they're doing with Lews at the end of each season, but otherwise, I think that's a wrap.
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nine-gear crow posted:The cold open and the climax being mirror images of each other with Ishamael going "just loving kill me, Lews!" and Lews Therin coldly going "No." vs. Rand just hyperstabbing him to death and him falling on the ground and smiling going "Oh thank god, finally, death..." and then getting dusted makes me think this is the end for Ishamael completely. No Moridin, no resurrection, he's done. Otherwise it kind a cheapens his arc. We might see him back for like more Age of Legends flashbacks like they're doing with Lews at the end of each season, but otherwise, I think that's a wrap. you have described exactly why his return to life, as living is a literal punishment to him, has been narratively established
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nine-gear crow posted:The cold open and the climax being mirror images of each other with Ishamael going "just loving kill me, Lews!" and Lews Therin coldly going "No." vs. Rand just hyperstabbing him to death and him falling on the ground and smiling going "Oh thank god, finally, death..." and then getting dusted makes me think this is the end for Ishamael completely. No Moridin, no resurrection, he's done. Otherwise it kind a cheapens his arc. We might see him back for like more Age of Legends flashbacks like they're doing with Lews at the end of each season, but otherwise, I think that's a wrap.  Actually thinking about it for a second, I'm not so sure. Him coming back and being damned to do it all again kinda just underlines his point. I'm not really sure where you go from that, but it might be workable.
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On the other hand, having him show up at the end of like season 4 right before the credits would be pretty awesome. I'm cool with it either way to be honest. Like you said, his character arc really did wrap up nicely, but Fares was one of the better cast members if not the best. Bittersweet either way.
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