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Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Steak posted:

I'm on it.




Thank you ELINT Officer Steakums

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Taps
Aug 14, 2009

Kaal posted:



Buenos días señores y señoras, this is ARA Admiral Sampaio:

In coordination with civil air services, the South American Combined Armada is authorizing logistical charter flights in support of naval aviation groups operating away from the restricted air space of the combat areas. The initial air operation will be focused on rearming the Brazilian NAeL Minas Gerais aircraft carrier and associated fleet, due to arrive at Puerto San Julian for immediate resupply. The charter is scheduled for 15 FEB 10 but there may be delays due to adverse weather.

Colombian authorities on the other side of the continent have been struggling to find ways of supporting their brethren who are being attacked far to the south, and this sort of material support is a perfect opportunity for them to get involved. They have assembled approximately 11,000 kg of mixed munitions and equipment, as well as a small Colombian Marine company, who are prepared for transport south out of El Dorado International Airport (SKBO) near Bogotá, Colombia. An Airbus 320 aircraft sub-chartered from Avianca SA airlines will be tasked with ferrying those passengers and cargo 5,000 km (2,700 nmi) to Commandant Espora Airport (SAZB) near Bahía Blanca. There the aircraft will refuel and take on an additional critical cargo as well as replacement sailors and air crew who are staging at the nearby Puerto Belgrano Naval Base, HQ of Argentinian Naval Aviation. These airports are both fairly large with 3,800 m (12,467 ft) and 2,616 m (8,583 ft) runways available respectively, and remain fully operational.

The second leg will be to fly 1,250 km (650 nmi) to Capitán José Daniel Vazquez Airport (SAWJ), also known as Puerto San Julián Airport or San Julián Airport. It is an airport serving Puerto San Julián, a town on San Julian Bay in the Santa Cruz Province of Argentina. The airport is 4 kilometres (2 mi) west of the town. During the 1982 Falklands War (Spanish: Guerra de las Malvinas/Guerra del Atlántico Sur), as San Julian is one of the nearest point to the islands, the city airfield was used by the Argentine Air Force. Two fighter squadrons, flying Daggers and A-4 Skyhawks, made 149 sorties against the British in the 45 days of operations. But enough of a history lesson: The concrete runway is 2,000 meters (6,562 ft), which should support A320 landing and take-off. There is a steep ravine on the south side of the west end of the runway. Runway 07 has an unusual narrow extension prior to the marked threshold, with a turnaround at the end. If used for takeoff, the runway length available would be extended to 2,400 metres (7,900 ft). This extension might hypothetically support 737 and 747 flight operations if required, but this would require further review. The San Julian VOR-DME (Ident: SJU) is located on the field.

After off-loading all passengers and material, the A320 will then refuel and return to El Dorado International Airport (SKBO), which at 6,000 km (3240 nmi) is right at the edge of the aircraft's range. Be aware that there is a contingent of civilian passengers at Puerto San Julian airport who are fleeing the conflict area and are requesting air transport to Bogota, Colombia. Allowing them to board will complicate the return mission. SACA will not take responsibility for refugees and leaves such matters in the hands of the civil air authorities, the Avianca SA corporation, and ultimately the pilots themselves.

I encourage any pilot willing to undertake this charter to contact Avianca SA, in coordination with Air Mobility Officer Lt. Patricio Crab, and file a flight report once the charter is completed.



«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«



Admiral Sampaio, we've needed to charter an additional A320 to split the cargo and and company. Luckily Avianca had a 2nd aircraft available for charter and I've engaged with them to develop the flight plan. We expect departure 0100Z of the 14th, with final stops being made at SAWJ just before 1300Z. This route from Bogota includes a high altitude refueling stop at Jorge Wilsterman International airport before making it to SAZB.

- From the desk of Air Mobility Officer Patrico Crab

----------------------------- Meanwhile at Avianca crew scheduling, a bulletin has gone out ----------------------------

AVIANCA SCHEDULING DISPATCH NOTICE 02132010
CHARTER FLIGHT AVA1010 & AVA1011 EQUIPMENT A321-2
DEPARTURE 02142010 0100Z
************************************
DEPART SKBO (EL DORADO INTL.) 0100 TO SLCB…
ARRIVAL FOR FUEL STOP SLCB (JORGE WILSTERMAN) AT 0540 FOR 30 MINUTES…
DEPART SLCB FOR ARRIVAL SAZB (COMANDANTE ESPORAP) AT 1020 FOR ADDITIONAL CARGO LOAD…
DEPART SAZB FOR ARRIVAL SAWJ 1240 AND UNLOAD ALL PAX AND CARGO…
TURNAROUND DEADHEAD FOR SKBO WITH OPTIONAL FUEL STOP AT SLCB AT CREW DISCRETION

BRIEFS TO FOLLOW
************************************




Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Combined Air Combat Command - SCAD


Well things seem to be progressing softly at this point.

To address proposals my by Naval and Army counter parts:

Regarding SAM Decisions: I feel Felino Equilibrado, notably preferred by General Humberto, is the Air Combat Command's preference as well. While I would sleep better at not with coverage over both air fields I feel this gives us the best balance between shielding from North bound strikes from Almirante Schröder and protecting the most vulnerable of our air bases.

Regarding Naval Manoeuvres: The 3 unknown ship contacts at 53° 41.320'S, 72° 8.093' is of potential concern. I am assuming nothing friendly will be parked there. (OOC: If some smart goon knows what the conditions of that area: Is it possible the PLAN maybe slipping some smaller vessels up and around into our space?) I'd like to task out [To Be Updated In Post] to get a clearer picture and if required carry out a strike. I welcome the thoughts of other officers in this space.

Also regarding the submarine contact at 51° 36.553'S, 65° 57.218'W I'd like to thank Intelligence Officer Steak for their efforts and formally pass this information on to Naval Command.

Regarding Air Operations: Apart from continuing to provide CAS to the ground forces and our patrols, I would like to task a member of Chevy, with escort from Pontiac or Colt if required, to conduct a SEAD strike mission against the suspected SAM site in Porvenir. It is my belief the destruction of this BUK equivalent site will free up options in the coming days for suppression of PLA ground forces.

General de aviación Daniela Figueroa Scholz



Please god don't let me launch planes into instant death

Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Oct 5, 2023

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Gridlocked posted:


Regarding Naval Manoeuvres: The 3 unknown ship contacts at 53° 41.320'S, 72° 8.093' is of potential concern. I am assuming nothing friendly will be parked there. (OOC: If some smart goon knows what the conditions of that area: Is it possible the PLAN maybe slipping some smaller vessels up and around into our space?) I'd like to task out [To Be Updated In Post] to get a clearer picture and if required carry out a strike. I welcome the thoughts of other officers in this space.


The skunks could be anything from trawlers riding out a storm, container ships steering clear of the combat, or Type 037 Frigates prowling for targets. The only way to know is to get them to emit and identify the radar type, drop below the clouds for a visual (don't do this), get someone on the ground to take a look, or overfly them with combat aircraft for a definite ID. The clouds, fog, and rain in that area is legendary, so this could be a tough one to deal with even if we know it's there.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Yooper posted:

The skunks could be anything from trawlers riding out a storm, container ships steering clear of the combat, or Type 037 Frigates prowling for targets. The only way to know is to get them to emit and identify the radar type, drop below the clouds for a visual (don't do this), get someone on the ground to take a look, or overfly them with combat aircraft for a definite ID. The clouds, fog, and rain in that area is legendary, so this could be a tough one to deal with even if we know it's there.

Dang. Well I have a feeling they're not just some random civilian ships but until we CAN see them I guess they're Schrödinger's Boats

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Yooper posted:

The skunks could be anything from trawlers riding out a storm, container ships steering clear of the combat, or Type 037 Frigates prowling for targets. The only way to know is to get them to emit and identify the radar type, drop below the clouds for a visual (don't do this), get someone on the ground to take a look, or overfly them with combat aircraft for a definite ID. The clouds, fog, and rain in that area is legendary, so this could be a tough one to deal with even if we know it's there.

I can fly a maritime patrol over/near the area this weekend IF that's something safe to do or sensible. Basically, if one of you SMEs gives me a route to fly, I can do it in MSFS and maybe we can gather into. If it's safe enough.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Just dropping in to say this rocks to read.

Wish I could fly but I def don’t have the time or space at the moment. Got a private pilots license last year as a bucket list thing and it poisoned any plane games fancier than Star Fox without a nice setup. It’s like m+kb GTAx1000.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Just dropping in to say this rocks to read.

Wish I could fly but I def don’t have the time or space at the moment. Got a private pilots license last year as a bucket list thing and it poisoned any plane games fancier than Star Fox without a nice setup. It’s like m+kb GTAx1000.

You don't need a full sim pit to enjoy flight sims, I get a *lot* of mileage out of a 10 year old setup consisting of a TrackIR, X52 pro, saitek rudder pedals, and I do have a Logitech yoke+quadrant too but that's not required. It's all stuff that can fit in one medium-large storage tub. You can buy older gear used too, it's not too crazy to get into if you're careful with your purchases.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.


Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio
South American Combined Armada


After military intelligence reviewed the MI6 social media intercepts, there has a been a consensus reached that PLA forces are operating in the vicinity of Goose Green, Islas Malvinas. The messages refer to occupying soldiers and feature imagery of what appears to be an early warning radar (identified as part of a SA-10 or SA-20 SAM system) and Chinese merchant marine ships (type unconfirmed). Any air attack on the island will need to contend with this threat. The town images feature a road that runs along the coastline, probably to the SW based on the sunset light. There's a picket-fenced building nearby, and perhaps a trash pit or rubble. Based on this, it may be estimated that the EWR, which is adjacent to new buildings, is sited approximately 51°49'47.7"S 58°58'13.0"W: https://maps.app.goo.gl/KRqVKQB3i7GgnQWG8

If the small island that is featured in the background of all the pictures is the same one, then that would place the PLAN ships anchorage slightly to the SE of Goose Green, near Hare Island. This anchorage, if confirmed, would constitute a prime logistical target. The moon in the background, which set in the west on 10 FEB 10 a few hours after these photos were sent, would seem to confirm that the island is due west of the ships, or approximately 51°49'58.0"S 58°57'43.9"W https://maps.app.goo.gl/r9RCoSbCmtgmd2AQ8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

Steak posted:


That looks like an Early Warning Radar behind that warehouse there.


Not sure the significance of these boats. Maybe some of the naval intelligence people can find these useful?

The P3 Orion imagery of the suspected Chinese submarine loitering off the coast of Santa Cruz Provincia is concerning. There is active debate amongst the intelligence officers over the nature of the sighting. After being cleaned up by naval intelligence, the ship may be tentatively identified as a Song Type-039 SSK (diesel electric submarine). This recognition is based on the following elements: The pilot report description, the bubbling of the snorkel used by conventional subs, the shape and placement of the sail and diving wings, the distinctive tear-dropped hull shape, the relative size of the ship as compared to the shadow of the P3, and the reported inventory of the PLAN. Smaller and quieter than the nuclear submarines favored by NATO, SSKs are known operate effectively in shallow waters but may be restricted by the topography if discovered while surfaced to replenish their batteries. Depth charges and torpedoes may be particularly effective against them in these conditions. This contact may be a threat and merits a military response.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_039_submarine

Initial Remarks on the four contacts identified by P3 aerial surveillance:

First Contact: Possible oil tanker, unknown origin. Detected at: 52° 2.011'S, 78° 14.630'W, course NW (290°) - Chilean tankers, bulk carriers, and ferries operate regularly in this area, and some of the smaller ones even navigate the archipelago in order to service Puerto Natales. Given its distance 234 km (126 nmi) and heading, it appears to be leaving the conflict zone and is likely not a threat.

Second contact: Possible fishing ship. Detected at: 55° 22.724'S, 75° 4.611’W, course SSE (200°). Patagonian fisheries employ tens of thousands of industrial and artisanal fishing vessels that ply the area in search of Chilean sea bass and other seafood. Given its distance 316 km (171 nmi) and heading, it appears to be leaving the conflict zone and is likely not a threat.

Third contact: Frigate, unknown origin or class. Detected at: 55° 49.332'S 73° 3.569’W, course NNW (330°). The 2nd PLAN fleet is known to include Luhu Type 052 destroyer frigates, and this may be one attempting to enter the archipelago via an inlet near Isla Furia in order to protect the PLAN resupply route with its air radar and SAMs. This contact may be a threat and merits a military response.

Fourth contact: At least 3 unknown type ships. Detected at: 53° 41.320'S, 72° 8.093’W, sitting still. The 2nd PLAN fleet is known to include Tarantula Project 1241 missile corvettes and Hainan Type 037 patrol corvettes. Given their position at the entry to the Magellan Strait, and proximity to the PLAGF offensive, these ships may constitute a defensive blockade. This contact may be a threat and merits a military response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_037_corvette
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantul-class_corvette

«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«

Kaal fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Oct 5, 2023

Bentai
Jul 8, 2004


NERF THIS!


Mederlock posted:

You don't need a full sim pit to enjoy flight sims, I get a *lot* of mileage out of a 10 year old setup consisting of a TrackIR, X52 pro, saitek rudder pedals, and I do have a Logitech yoke+quadrant too but that's not required. It's all stuff that can fit in one medium-large storage tub. You can buy older gear used too, it's not too crazy to get into if you're careful with your purchases.

Hell I fly with a PS4 controller, still have a great time.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Something of a real doctrine and gameplay purpose intersecting in a manner that adds complexity.


Now that you guys have seen maritime patrol aircraft such as the P-3 Orion, it's a good way to introduce some of the branch rivalry. The P-3, based on L-188 Electra, is the most common western-aligned anti-submarine and maritime surveillance airplane, along with the more modern P-8 Poseidon, based on the Boeing 737.

So, Brazil and Argentina both use the P-3 Orion. In Argentina, the Navy flies it. In Brazil, it's the Air Force.



It's a long story, and it isn't always clear. In countries that have strong naval aviation tradition, the fixed wing land based aviation is also often flown by the navies. The US navy does its own fixed wing land based ops, as does China's PLAN as the PLANAF, for example. Argentina has similarly always had its own naval aviation, so it makes sense to run their P-3. The opposite is sometimes not as clearly laid out either. Brazil also has a naval aviation tradition, but their P-3s are flown by the Air Force. Why? I don't know. For example, in Norway's example it sort of makes sense to have P-8s fly for the air force as their navy has no aviation tradition at all. There's no pipeline for training fixed wing pilots, just as another example. Air Force already has it, so it seems more logical for them to have them.

However, not only in Norway's situation, but elsewhere too, it becomes a branch-rivalry question. "If Air Force flies the patrol airplanes, do I, as the Naval Commander, get information on patrol operations flown that are are fleet-first mindset, or is the Air Force flying missions that are more of their benefit, perhaps ignoring fleets and seeking out surface-to-air threats and picket ships?"

I'm not a naval officer, nor can I speak from any experience nor authority on the subject matter. But nevertheless, the line is not clear cut, and the military branch decision on who flies such aircraft is to this day (and always has been) a contentious issue and can lead to some friction. Just as another example, the flow of intelligence can be hampered. Perhaps the Air Force patrols don't directly report to some sort of centralized naval planning and operations center, which instead has to wait for AF intel reports to go up, then traverse sideways, and to come down again. This might add time and slow down operations.

On the flip side, perhaps the Navy lacks airbases and fueling capacity and experienced crew, and it's patrol ops are hindered by poor maintenance or lack of expeditionary power, having to rely on their sister branch or perhaps another country's Air Force to function in their full potential, thus maybe making intel go faster and everything else slower.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 5, 2023

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015





Supremo Comandante SCAD
General del Aire Carlos - FAP

Here comes El Comandante! Watch out!

Very well. Everybody's doing a stellar job gathering intel and analyzing the situation.

Concerning our ground forces: let's make use of our AA assets in accord with General Humberto's Felino Equilibrado plan and bring those Avengers (Choice Bravo) to reinforce them, with one of them defending our Supply Base and another supporting our troops at the front.

Navy: Admiral Sampaio, do carry on with the interdiction around Punta Arenas and intercept 3rd and 4th contacts. They're too close to Punta Arenas for comfort.
About the submarine close to Gallegos, obviously we can't afford to have hostile vessels threatening our shipments in the region but we're also not completely sure if it's really PLAN. Intel suspects it might be a USS Los Angeles class sub. We must talk with the gringos to see what's going on first.
Looking forward to have our Colombian compañeros by our side.

Air Force: General Scholz, carry on with your plan. CAS on the front and neutralize that SAM. Make my Tigres (the Su-25s, that is) shine, in particular.

That would be all for now. As always, I'm all ears for questions and suggestions.


Arriba, siempre arriba

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Gameplay decision made:




2x Avenger, 7x 5-ton truck available at Monterrey, CA on the 14th Feb gametime.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


At an undisclosed location aboard the HMS Agincourt.


Much like what has been going on in this thread, there are strong-willed men doing the same thing. Raid plans are formulated.

Elsewhere in the boat...



Keep a weather eye on the horizon folks. A couple of in-game days. October 13th in real time. Get your Arma 3 installs fired up boys...there's a green goose to cook.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Oh poo poo, oh gently caress.

Christmas was so loving easy compared to this poo poo.

The Chinese are standing on the island. Newspaper writes that they'll be stuck there. Hmm, maybe. But there's an awful lot of people travelling through your town now with their cars piled full of everything they could stuff in there. Not really the typical tourist crowd Puerto Natales attracts. And they're not staying, in fact they can hardly get away fast enough.

There's more newcomers. Up North at the airport, military guys have set up shop. They carry flags from all over CSAD countries. The paper wrote about it, and you see them fly circles over the area. You don't know how many there are, but it boggles the mind how many people a couple of planes could need to support them. There's mechanics, janitors, technicians, and no idea what kind of people, but at any time there's dozens of them walking around town, taking photos and drinking up the cafés and bars. And some of them live here, along with the refugees from Puerto Arenas and the Malvinas that arrived recently. It's good of course that there's business back in town, but this the Monkey Paw's version of that.

In all of this, the fact that there is an international response to this invasion gives you hope. They haven't decided to forsake this place - yet. But you realize that a military airfield isn't just a shield over your community. It's also a target. If the Chinese want to go up to where the real economy is - they surely aren't here for the penguins - that airport is in the way. And so is Puerto Natales.

You've decided that by the time that becomes relevant, you'll have bugged out. You and your wife have prepared a list with items and a go-bag for everyone that can be readied quickly. There's cash in the house.

Your clients are still sending you payments that you keep in Pesos, Euros, and Dollars. But clients take longer and longer to pay your drat work, and the currency fluctuations make it hard to track how much you actually have going in and out at any moment. You even made an account at some of these lovely Bitcoin companies and bought a little reserve there. The though that you have some money living on your USB stick is kind of neat, you admit that. In case you use the USB drive, you have a paper slip that gives you control of the funds. It's buried between the tomato plants. In case you lose that paper slip with the pass words, you've made your family memorize them in a secret song. But who knows what good that'll do when push comes to shove. If it comes to the worst, would someone bring your family to Lima or give them food or shelter for internet magic beans?

It's lunchtime. Normally you'd make a cup of coffee and sit by the sea for a bit. But coffee is up and it's miserable outside. So, what's the point? But your restless demands a walk and so you go. Jorge, the shopkeeper from the cornerstore is there. He's staring out over the waves. You make a little bit of chit chat. Absent mindedly you mention that he must make a killing what with all the hoarding that people are doing. He's giving you a hard look. "Do you think I'd be sitting here if that were so? I closed down for today because I have hardly anything left to sell." He looks down. "I have no idea how long I can keep the shop open. Everyone thinks that I'm making a killing but truth is I can hardly keep the lights on." You try to come up with something intelligent to say. You fail, and so you stay silent. "You know, last week a couple of boys came by the shop. Said they know my niece Martha and if they could get a discount. Told them I can't do it. They beat her up. Those fuckers beat her up." Another pause. "loving poo poo", you let go. First smart thing you said today. "You're goddamn right", he grunts back. You hold out a cigarette. He takes it.

You both continue to stare into the sea in silence. Under the overcast sky it appears grey and dull as concrete. The breeze is stiff and salty. Over the rushing of the waves you hear the distant thunder of jet engines.


Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Oct 6, 2023

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Lord Stimperor posted:

Oh poo poo, oh gently caress.

:five:

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.


Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio
South American Combined Armada


Air Tasking Order (13 FEB 10): ELINT Aerial Surveillance of Punta Arenas / Tierra del Fuego

Aircraft: 1 x Beechcraft King Air
Mission Distance: 762 km

Description: A recon flight is needed to surveil two (2) sites of interest in the Punta Arenas / Tierra del Fuego region.

Site 01 is a group of enemy ground units that are massing near the PLAGF limit of advance in Tierra del Fuego. ELINT records of the area will provide CSAD and the Argentine army with necessary information for confronting this mounting threat. In order to maximize surveillance quality, entry into restricted air space over the Straits of Magellan is temporarily authorized. While the flight path is believed to be non dangerous, be aware that enemy SAM activity has been recorded to the southwest near Porvenir. Do not deviate south or west from the flight path.

Site 02 is a group of suspected enemy corvettes. Previous surveillance could not determine type or disposition. Detailed reconnaissance is required to determine the nature of the threat. Travel to the recon site - be aware that navigation beacons may disabled due to war fighting, so the flight path follows recognizable landmarks. Follow the rivers and use long-distance photography to surveil the fjords and identify any contacts. The ships are likely armed with MANPADS, but undetected weaponry is possible - maintain at least a 25 km distance from the contacts. Avoid restricted air space to the east while entering and exiting the area.



«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«

Kaal fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 6, 2023

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.


Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio
South American Combined Armada


Air Tasking Order (13 FEB 10): Maritime Anti-Submarine Warfare Patrol

Aircraft: 1 x Beechcraft King Air
Mission Distance: 763 km

Description: A recon flight is needed to surveil two (2) sites of interest in Tierra del Fuego and the South Argentine Sea

Addendum: Due to inclement weather, the King Air aircraft was rerouted to Puerto Natales (Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport SCNT). That aircraft will need to be ferried to Rio Gallegos either prior to, or as part of, this ATO.

Site 11 is a heliport for PLAGF Mi-8 Hip medium helicopters in Tierra del Fuego. ELINT records of the area will provide CSAD and the Argentine army with necessary information for confronting this mounting threat. Also be on the lookout for a PLAN Amphibious Marine BDE believed to be operating in the area. While the flight path is believed to be non dangerous, be aware that the enemy limit of advance is considered to extend east from the northeastern tip of Tierra del Fuego. Do not deviate south of the flight path.

Site 12 denotes a submarine periscope sighting. Previous surveillance could not determine type or disposition. P3 Orion photography indicated that the contact was potentially a PLAN Type 039 SSK, PLAN Type 093 SSN, or even a USS Los Angeles SSN. Detailed reconnaissance is required to determine the nature of the threat. The Argentinean Fleet and friendly merchant marine shipping depends on aerial recon to defend against submarine attack. Overfly the contact point and perform maritime ASW surveillance, then continue a slow orbit of the South Argentine Sea to the mouth of the Rio Santa Cruz before returning to base.



«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«

Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Oct 6, 2023

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015





Supremo Comandante SCAD
General del Aire Carlos - FAP

The US Army National Guard will be helping us with:

Two (2) AN/TWQ-1 Avenger AA systems
Seven (7) 5-ton trucks with ammunition

They will be transported from the Army National Guard Armory in Monterey, California, to the city's regional airport. A C-17 Globemaster will transport them from Monterey Regional (KMRY) directly to us all the way to Gallegos (SAWG), thanks to aerial refueling en route.

I just contacted the estadunidenses about any possible US Navy vessel operating at waters close to our shipping route and am waiting for their reply. If that submarine is not theirs, we should intercept that hijueputa.



Arriba, siempre arriba

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Game Master and the USN:


The US Navy, nor RN, nor RAN, will not discuss any submarine topics with anyone outside the Five Eyes.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Vahakyla posted:

Game Master and the USN:


The US Navy, nor RN, nor RAN, will not discuss any submarine topics with anyone outside the Five Eyes.

Didn't we drop troops on a sub like two days ago?

Can we throw this back in their faces when we sink a Los Angeles boat?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Elendil004 posted:

Can we throw this back in their faces when we sink a Los Angeles boat?

Hot take: we could misidentify a Los Angeles boat, then very carefully try to go kill it, and then fail anyway. So they're probably just going to say "Hey SSN crews, watch out, those CSAD guys can't be trusted to ID things"

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Kaal posted:

Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio
South American Combined Armada


Air Tasking Order (13 FEB 10): ELINT Aerial Surveillance of Punta Arenas / Tierra del Fuego

Aircraft: 1 x Beechcraft King Air
Mission Distance: 762 km

Description: A recon flight is needed to surveil two (2) sites of interest in the Punta Arenas / Tierra del Fuego region.



Taking off in the face of almost 50 knot headwinds.


Heading out towards site 1.


Banking away from site 1


Once we made the turn back south for the dogleg loop looking at site 2 things got dicey.


But, after the rain comes the rainbow...


Don't worry about the ice conditions, in our game it's not frozen.


Ended up diverting to Puerto Natales due to weather at Rio Gallegos



Overall a solid, successful mission. A little dicey in the middle, and we're all glad we saved lunch till after we landed instead of flying on full stomachs.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Vahakyla posted:

Game Master and the USN:


The US Navy, nor RN, nor RAN, will not discuss any submarine topics with anyone outside the Five Eyes.



loving figures. Five eyes for me to stick my five fingers into.

Thankfully Admiral Sampaio sent that King Air to identify the sub. We'll see.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Elendil004 posted:

Taking off in the face of almost 50 knot headwinds.


Heading out towards site 1.


Banking away from site 1


Once we made the turn back south for the dogleg loop looking at site 2 things got dicey.


But, after the rain comes the rainbow...


Don't worry about the ice conditions, in our game it's not frozen.


Ended up diverting to Puerto Natales due to weather at Rio Gallegos



Overall a solid, successful mission. A little dicey in the middle, and we're all glad we saved lunch till after we landed instead of flying on full stomachs.

Right.




Initial stretch of the flight detected a huge amount of emissions coming from:

52° 52.922'S, 69° 56.947'

Various data transfer radio, and communication of logistics. In addition the onboard imagers got a very distorted digitally zoomed picture of vehicles and containers and tents, but the picture was accidentally deleted.
Leading out of the site, starting from:
52° 52.575'S, 69° 57.217'W

to
52° 55.030'S, 70° 2.907'W

Indicates a significant traffic jam what appear to be trucks. The small side roads off it are full of emissions. Lot of it are plain-text transmissions of logistical issues and traffic jams, indicating that there is not enough available space nor side roads to re-direct. The traffic jam is estimated to be five miles long right now.








Second site recon got emissions from one Tarantul-class ship and detected at least seven different ships. Crew aboard the RC-12 are almost sure the remaining ships were Type 072A landing ships.

The northernmost ship was at:
53° 30.284'S, 72° 24.418'W




As you were departing patrol area, several J-7 patrols appeared in the area.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013




Because I am travelling this weekend and will be back on my actual computer on the night of the 9th, I don't wish to create artificial time constraints because I can't get to a computer.
As such, while it is currently the 13th in the gameday, we'll roll it to the night after these ops and blend the late afternoon of 13th and all of the 14th together, up to late night of the 14th.
So you can start planning the basic air ops already for the morning of the game-day 15th Feb. I'm ok with blending the timelines a bit if you're still flying a cargo mission or something, just as an example.



So, on to game news.

--------------------------------

Brigadier General Humberto,

Your logistics base is still being set up. it is already assisting your troops, and received its SAM coverage from the Rolands, but you currently have a problem of only having one RORO-ferry meant for civilian traffic at the strait, at Punta Delgada.

Fierce fighting on Highway Y-65 has been challenging and you've lost several miles of ground, including the vital intersection at Y-655 and Y-65. Your artillery unit is very low on howitzer ammo and the Mi-8s are a giant headache. The other lines hold.

--------------------------------------------------------

General del Aire Carlos.

The Five Eyes Navies will not give you any submarine information, and have informed you they will only cooperate with surface combatants if it will become pertinent. The Royal Navy currently is struggling in the area, having the HMS Invincible on the rocks at Comodoro Rivadavia.

You currently have two curious dilemmas to make.

FIRST DILEMMA: As South America has been a food exporter during this conflict, the demands have been high. You currently have a cargo ship, sailing under the flag of Bahamas, named "Peruvian Reefer", full of fruit. While it was destined for Italy as a food delivery, Finland has requested it as an emergency delivery due to the harsh winter and brutal fighting in the North. While it isn't the only food ship sailing to Italy, it will certainly anger Italians to not receive it. Yet, Finland is much smaller and under a harsh winter.

The ship departs on the morning of 15th from Lima, destined to Europe. Where shall it head to?

SECOND DILEMMA:

You currently have 30 standard intermodal containers of aviation maintenance tools and communications equipment at city Gobernador Gregores, with trucks. Where should they go?



----------------------------

Admiral Sampaio,

Your fleets are at their destinations, check the map. Brazilian fleet is under refit in Puerto San Julian, estimated to require three total days to refit its air wing and to maintain its readiness, being ready on the 17th of February at 0600hrs, if it receives 30 standard sized intermodal containers or their equivalent in smaller cargo containers of aviation maintenance tools and communications equipment by the late evening of 14th. How will you get them there? This will enable timely refit of the 21 A-4s of the air wing.

In addition, your Argentine Navy P-3 patrols in the west are unable to be maintained for longer than one more day due to only having two planes who take turns and need maintenance. Where do you want to base these P-3s from?

Rio Gallegos is the current destination for the civilian charters and unable to accept any more maintenance. If the P-3s head there, you need more maintenance support there.

No new sonar or sub or radar contacts, besides the Type 072 ships detailed in the intel post above this one.
The periscope contact is gone, the P-3s lost it.

------------------------------

For the Air Combat Command Commander, General Schulz,

For you it is much of the same. Your Brazilian Air Force P-3 patrols in the east are unable to be maintained for longer than one more day due to only having two planes who take turns and need maintenance. Where do you want to base these P-3s from?
Rio Gallegos is the current destination for the civilian charters and unable to accept any more maintenance. If the P-3s head there, you need more maintenance support there.

Most of the airports are tiny.


You were already provided your status report of your airplanes via DM. In addition to that, the FACh can furnish 4 more F-16A MLUs, if you both find an airport with space for them and provide them with 30 containers of aviation maintenance tools and communications equipment.


-------------


Air Mobility Officer Taps,


Any airplane taken to a destination has to be flown back to its base, or it will get a new base where it sits.
Please track airplane status and location, no one way trips that never return.

Any news about the FedEx contract for their 747? The Argentine government is willing to pay anything for the use of one.
In addition, currently, the RAAF C-17 is at El Calafate from Aero's trip with TACAN equipment. The RAAF has authorized it to stay in South America for 48 more hours to be used for any logistics mission without a heightened risk. It has to be at El Calafate in the end to start its flight back to Sydney.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Oct 6, 2023

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Good news everybody, the LEGO corporation has agreed to produce some sets showing the military might of our troops.



A little bonus for the Chilean Air Force


As a reminder, if you buy MegaBlocks you are supporting the enemy.

Elendil004 fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Oct 6, 2023

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Vahakyla posted:


Admiral Sampaio,

Your fleets are at their destinations, check the map. Brazilian fleet is under refit in Puerto San Julian, estimated to require three total days to refit its air wing and to maintain its readiness, being ready on the 17th of February at 0600hrs, if it receives 30 standard sized intermodal containers or their equivalent in smaller cargo containers of aviation maintenance tools and communications equipment by the late evening of 14th. How will you get them there? This will enable timely refit of the 21 A-4s of the air wing.

In addition, your Argentine Navy P-3 patrols in the west are unable to be maintained for longer than one more day due to only having two planes who take turns and need maintenance. Where do you want to base these P-3s from?

Rio Gallegos is the current destination for the civilian charters and unable to accept any more maintenance. If the P-3s head there, you need more maintenance support there.

No new sonar or sub or radar contacts, besides the Type 072 ships detailed in the intel post above this one.
The periscope contact is gone, the P-3s lost it.



Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio
South American Combined Armada


Congratulations to the Argentinean fleet on reaching its combat station off the coast of Rio Gallegos. They are advised to be on the lookout for the 2nd PLAN fleet as well as enemy submarines, to protect the critical freighter traffic, and to prepare their helicopters for ASW patrols if possible. Similar plaudits are given to the hardworking crews aboard the Brazilian fleet trying to bring their ships into readiness. Efforts are being made to transport the required supplies into Puerto San Julian as soon as possible, and serious conversations will be had within leadership regarding that issue. The Chilean fleet is ordered to disperse its surface warfare ships to blockade the Strait of Magellan, and to have its A-4 Skyhawks undergo final readiness workups in preparation for a potential air strike on the enemy PLAN corvettes and landing ships located at Site 02 near Punta Arenas. Their mettle may soon be tested.

The Argentine Navy P3 Orions are ordered to be based at the nearby Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport (SCNT) in Puerto Natales. The 1,764 m (5,787 ft) asphalt runway should provide sufficient for their aircraft. In addition to highway access to El Calafate, the city has port access to the western Chilean coast - with ferries and small bulk carriers providing regular service to the city from Puerto Montt via the Patagonian Archipelago. The mixture of logistical support and a naval heritage should make this a good maritime base on the west coast.

Finally, the brave sailors aboard the three submarines are ever in our thoughts. Their hunt for enemy shipping and other targets of opportunity remains critical to our effort. To this end, the CNS O'Higgins is directed to INTERCEPT the Frigate contact, which is believed to be a PLAN Type 052 that may be attempting to enter Cockburn Canal or Barbara Canal. Chinese forces may not be aware of the danger of attempting these canals without trained local pilots. The western Barbara Channel has significant length and draught restrictions that will only barely permit passage of a Type 052 or similar. The channels are considered even more difficult to exit than to enter, particularly at dark or low tide. If the unknown Frigate is struggling to enter or exit that area, they may be particularly vulnerable to attack. The CNS O'Higgins is advised to remain in proximity to the continental shelf, where their ability to hide in the littorals and yet escape to the depths is maximized.



«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«

Kaal fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 8, 2023

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Current parking lot at Teniente Julio Gallardo looks like this:







The parking lot for cars visible here can be repurposed, but accomodating two P-3s will put a strain on it and require logistics flights. Now, placing them farther away will limit their patrol distance. So, yeah.
Fact of the matter is that the situation isn't any better elsewhere. Also, all land based airports are under Air Force supervision, so you'll need to engage their commander.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Oct 7, 2023

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
If I were China, I would probably just missile strike our parking areas since we aren't dispersed even a little bit.

Zephirum
Jan 7, 2011

Lipstick Apathy
In the dead of night on 14 Feb 2010, the HMS Agincourt surfaces, and Task Force 223 makes their move.

It's time for our tie-in Arma 3 mission: OPERATION LANCET

:siren: We're running it October 13th at 7:00 PM CST (00:00 UTC) :siren:

OVERVIEW
The PLA Navy is using the Falklands as its primary hub of sealift operations to sustain combat in the South Atlantic. However, the small capacity of Port Arthur has bottlenecked the transfer of goods so ships are docked in temporary ports across the eastern coast.
The Choiseul Sound is currently holding transport ships belonging to the 6th Sustainment Task Group, who have deployed their own Marine Forces to garrison the isthmus surrounding Goose Green and Darwin.
This presents a unique opportunity. Since the Group is both far from other ground elements and from other naval elements, a commando team could sneak in and damage the vulnerable parked ships.

GAMEPLAN
Squadron X-RAY of the Royal Navy SBS will infiltrate the Goose Green area by boat and sabotage the transport ships stationed there.
Marines from the 1st Assault Group will also deploy to provide fire support as needed.

COMMON QUESTIONS
How will comms work? We're using Discord. In the future, if there's enough demand, maybe TFAR or ACRE...
ACE Medical? Not today! This will use ACE No Medical with the build-in Revive system.


CLICK HERE to sign up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jOSz0U-zNviZzIqRkLXsW3S2MP6s9Uc3nc9Rodi8o9o/edit?usp=sharing
MOD LIST HERE (and on the signup): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qdpp0swuz91xubhwfz3cu/Arma-3-Preset-Air-Goons-Afternoon-War.html?rlkey=m8en98d763vxejwlggqhn51of&dl=0
Yes the preview is ugly, but just drag and drop the downloaded HTML file into the Arma 3 Launcher.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Vahakyla posted:

--------------------------------

Brigadier General Humberto,

Your logistics base is still being set up. it is already assisting your troops, and received its SAM coverage from the Rolands, but you currently have a problem of only having one RORO-ferry meant for civilian traffic at the strait, at Punta Delgada.

Fierce fighting on Highway Y-65 has been challenging and you've lost several miles of ground, including the vital intersection at Y-655 and Y-65. Your artillery unit is very low on howitzer ammo and the Mi-8s are a giant headache. The other lines hold.

--------------------------------------------------------


General of the Combined Armies, CSAD

Logistics difficulties - Artillery

Buenos días gentilgoones, as you just heard from our Operations staff the situation at the front remains dire, and is worsening by the hour. The logistics situation for our M109 Paladin artillery is deteriorating, as they are going through ammunition and spare parts at a frightful rate to help Alpha Regiment hold the line on Y-65. As you may know, firing artillery at rates exceeding the manufacturers recommendations puts a great toll on the hardware, but is unavoidable when the alternative is PLAGF penetrating our defensive lines. Poor conditions delaying ferry transits across the Strait have been compounded by some slip-ups by the logistics officers at SB Bolsa de Tenencia(understandable given they've only just barely established the base there) in arranging for the proper ratio of food:parts:water:ammunition:fuel deliveries. This has meant the artillery are short of the right fuses for the shells and some critical field repair parts to be able to maintain their fires at the needed rates.

This is where the AF might come in to help solve the problem. Air Combat Command Commander, General Schulz I hereby request 2x to 4x C-130 flights into Franco Bianco, to deliver the necessary shell fuses, parts, and if you can spare the extra flights, special ammunition types such as cluster bomb shells to keep the artillery replenished. This will be a dangerous and difficult task, and will certainly draw the attention of the PLAAF birds in the area. It probably makes the most sense to undertake these deliveries on the 15th when our CAS units are already in the AO with friendly CAP, as the PLAGF will have their attention focused on the CAS flights rocking their brigade to the West, but I understand this mission may be too risky to undertake. That being said, I cannot underscore how critical the artillery is to maintaining a strong defensive on Tierra del Fuego. I leave this matter with you and El Commandante.

Soliciting Recommendations and Analysis for the Front

The critical junction of Y-65 and Y-655 has fallen into PLAGF hands, and our troops are currently skirmishing over control of the bridges over the Rio Oscar. As we identified before, a successful defense of our last remaining foothold on Tierra del Fuego relies on halting the advance on the Western flank of the island along the highways, or else they can make a run for the northern point and cut off our last remaining LOC[Line Of Communication, term for both the actual lines of communication and the logistics lines for the troops] to the mainland. As things stand currently, we're possbily going to lose control over both bridges before we can get CAS support from our amigas and amigos in the air.

This developing situation requires us to rob Peter to pay Paul, so to speak. The PLA have imposed a dilemma upon us, and we need to put forward the best possible plan to choose the least-worst scenario. I need all of you in this War Room [That's all of you reading this thread] to put your heads together and come up with the best possible arrangement and taskings for our units on the front. Here's the picture on the front as things stand now



We have 3 large concentrations of combat units on the front, the Tank Regiment Bravo, and the Mechanized Infantry Regiments Alpha and Charlie. Currently Bravo and Charlie Regiments are holding the PLAGF Brigade[~3 combat regiments] to the South on HWY 257, and Alpha regiment is holding off an entire brigade[another 3 combat regiments] along Highway Y-65 and Y-655. Alpha is in mostly open terrain, and Bravo and Charlie are defending a more mountainous area. This is where I put it out to all of you. How would you have us position our troops, and what orders should they be given? Any analysis on the likely trajectory as things stand, or how things may change with a different approach? I'll leave you with a closer picture of the Y-65 axis, and a preliminary order to Alpha Rgt. to hold the region behind the bridges at all costs. [Time is of the essence, so :justpost: your thoughts, no matter how much or how little experience you may have with strategy] The command officers will deliberate on everyone's feedback, and present our final battle plans soon [in a few days as per GM's post]



Seamos libres, que lo demás no importa nada!

General Humberto, EA

Aero737
Apr 30, 2006

Kaal posted:



Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio
South American Combined Armada


Air Tasking Order (13 FEB 10): Maritime Anti-Submarine Warfare Patrol

Aircraft: 1 x Beechcraft King Air
Mission Distance: 763 km

Description: A recon flight is needed to surveil two (2) sites of interest in Tierra del Fuego and the South Argentine Sea

Addendum: Due to inclement weather, the King Air aircraft was rerouted to Puerto Natales (Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport SCNT). That aircraft will need to be ferried to Rio Gallegos either prior to, or as part of, this ATO.

Site 11 is a heliport for PLAGF Mi-8 Hip medium helicopters in Tierra del Fuego. ELINT records of the area will provide CSAD and the Argentine army with necessary information for confronting this mounting threat. Also be on the lookout for a PLAN Amphibious Marine BDE believed to be operating in the area. While the flight path is believed to be non dangerous, be aware that the enemy limit of advance is considered to extend east from the northeastern tip of Tierra del Fuego. Do not deviate south of the flight path.

Site 12 denotes a submarine periscope sighting. Previous surveillance could not determine type or disposition. P3 Orion photography indicated that the contact was potentially a PLAN Type 039 SSK, PLAN Type 093 SSN, or even a USS Los Angeles SSN. Detailed reconnaissance is required to determine the nature of the threat. The Argentinean Fleet and friendly merchant marine shipping depends on aerial recon to defend against submarine attack. Overfly the contact point and perform maritime ASW surveillance, then continue a slow orbit of the South Argentine Sea to the mouth of the Rio Santa Cruz before returning to base.



«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«



We were delayed due to a maintenance issue with the number 1 engine bleed air line. Luckily, the PT6A is one of the most widely produced engines in the world, and finding spare parts is not difficult, even in remote parts of the world. Maintenance was performed and the aircraft was inspected and returned to duty at 10:20 local.



The assigned flight path was loaded as well as an ELINT monitoring mission to the northwest of the Falklands.





Starting the PT6 is fairly simple. The starter motor is run until the turbine % maxes out (at least 15%) while also monitoring oil pressure. Fuel is then introduced by advancing the condition lever to low idle and ITT is monitored. ITT can exceed upper limits for short periods of time. Turbine % should be rising and the starter is disengaged at 54% NG. The procedure is repeated for the second engine.



Our departure today will consist of runway 28 with a left-hand climbing turn to 5,000 ft. We will then climb to FL240 to perform ELINT operations along the north side of the Straight.



Lined up for departure.



Gear up. We will be turning to the left to avoid terrain to the right.

The METAR for today 021010 15:27z 21020G35 SCT018 BKN040 OVC140 VCSH 09/05 RESHRA which indicates that the winds are out of the south south west at 20 knots and gusting to 30, broken cloud layers at 1400ft, 4000ft and overcast at 14000ft. It's been raining recently and there is rain around the airport currently.



We are quickly between cloud layers. We will turn off all exterior lights, the transponder, and radios to avoid interfering with the sensitive electronic monitoring equipment in the back of the aircraft and to avoid drawing unwanted attention.



Once we reach cruising altitude we review our endurance capabilities. We took on full fuel for this 1400nm patrol. We pass Rio Gallegos and proceed south to WP1. After reaching WP1, we proceed due east taking care not to deviate south of the assigned route.


On this mission, the aircraft carries three sonar buoys that can be dropped from the aircraft to detect submersibles. In order to deploy these and get a better view of the sea surface, we will descend below the cloud layer to 3000ft. Crew will keep an eye out for any visible indications of enemy activity along the assigned route.







Sonor buoys were dropped at the below locations:



After dropping, we climbed back to FL280 to perform ELINT operations to the northwest of the Falklands. Four passes were made.

Arriving back at Rio Gallegos, weather was below VFR minimums so the ILS to runway 25 was used.




Glideslope captured



Soup out the window.



Runway in sight, crabbing hard into the wind.



Shutdown after 4:22:50 in flight.

Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015

That third panel of the first comic just makes it. It's still funny if you remove it, but that panel included just makes it top tier.

Mederlock posted:


General of the Combined Armies, CSAD

Logistics difficulties - Artillery

Buenos días gentilgoones, as you just heard from our Operations staff the situation at the front remains dire, and is worsening by the hour. The logistics situation for our M109 Paladin artillery is deteriorating, as they are going through ammunition and spare parts at a frightful rate to help Alpha Regiment hold the line on Y-65. As you may know, firing artillery at rates exceeding the manufacturers recommendations puts a great toll on the hardware, but is unavoidable when the alternative is PLAGF penetrating our defensive lines. Poor conditions delaying ferry transits across the Strait have been compounded by some slip-ups by the logistics officers at SB Bolsa de Tenencia(understandable given they've only just barely established the base there) in arranging for the proper ratio of food:parts:water:ammunition:fuel deliveries. This has meant the artillery are short of the right fuses for the shells and some critical field repair parts to be able to maintain their fires at the needed rates.

This is where the AF might come in to help solve the problem. Air Combat Command Commander, General Schulz I hereby request 2x to 4x C-130 flights into Franco Bianco, to deliver the necessary shell fuses, parts, and if you can spare the extra flights, special ammunition types such as cluster bomb shells to keep the artillery replenished. This will be a dangerous and difficult task, and will certainly draw the attention of the PLAAF birds in the area. It probably makes the most sense to undertake these deliveries on the 15th when our CAS units are already in the AO with friendly CAP, as the PLAGF will have their attention focused on the CAS flights rocking their brigade to the West, but I understand this mission may be too risky to undertake. That being said, I cannot underscore how critical the artillery is to maintaining a strong defensive on Tierra del Fuego. I leave this matter with you and El Commandante.

Soliciting Recommendations and Analysis for the Front

The critical junction of Y-65 and Y-655 has fallen into PLAGF hands, and our troops are currently skirmishing over control of the bridges over the Rio Oscar. As we identified before, a successful defense of our last remaining foothold on Tierra del Fuego relies on halting the advance on the Western flank of the island along the highways, or else they can make a run for the northern point and cut off our last remaining LOC[Line Of Communication, term for both the actual lines of communication and the logistics lines for the troops] to the mainland. As things stand currently, we're possbily going to lose control over both bridges before we can get CAS support from our amigas and amigos in the air.

This developing situation requires us to rob Peter to pay Paul, so to speak. The PLA have imposed a dilemma upon us, and we need to put forward the best possible plan to choose the least-worst scenario. I need all of you in this War Room [That's all of you reading this thread] to put your heads together and come up with the best possible arrangement and taskings for our units on the front. Here's the picture on the front as things stand now



We have 3 large concentrations of combat units on the front, the Tank Regiment Bravo, and the Mechanized Infantry Regiments Alpha and Charlie. Currently Bravo and Charlie Regiments are holding the PLAGF Brigade[~3 combat regiments] to the South on HWY 257, and Alpha regiment is holding off an entire brigade[another 3 combat regiments] along Highway Y-65 and Y-655. Alpha is in mostly open terrain, and Bravo and Charlie are defending a more mountainous area. This is where I put it out to all of you. How would you have us position our troops, and what orders should they be given? Any analysis on the likely trajectory as things stand, or how things may change with a different approach? I'll leave you with a closer picture of the Y-65 axis, and a preliminary order to Alpha Rgt. to hold the region behind the bridges at all costs. [Time is of the essence, so :justpost: your thoughts, no matter how much or how little experience you may have with strategy] The command officers will deliberate on everyone's feedback, and present our final battle plans soon [in a few days as per GM's post]



Seamos libres, que lo demás no importa nada!

General Humberto, EA



Is the tank regiment ABSOLUTELY needed in the south? I'm mostly a WW2 gamer and that looks like mighty close terrain for tanks. It looks like Charlie should be sufficient to me, but I'm not familiar with modern military needs. Alpha is trying to defend two axis' of attack with only engineers for company, and that looks like good tank country. At least better than their current position.

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend
Peanut gallery here: I think a lot depends on the gear in question. I don't know what tanks are used by the Bravo Regiment, but they might be outranged by PLA anti-tank guided missiles, in which case having more cover is keeping them safe. Moreover, they would be able to operate in the western part of the AO only within the protective area of the Gepards - although they would be pretty safe from the helicopters, since to my knowledge the Mi-8 can only carry Fleyta or Malyutka missiles, which date back to the 1960s and lack range compared to the SPAAGs.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
The Argentinian brigade will most likely be using TAM medium tanks and/or SK-105 Kürassier Light tanks

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Inside DCS, we shall use the M60 as a substitute. I am not aware of a better stand-in.

105 gun and medium armor on modern standards.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
Leopard 1? Seen fairly equivalent, same gun and similar specs

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Combined Air Combat Command - SCAD


To Address Game Matters

Vahakyla posted:

For the Air Combat Command Commander, General Schulz,

For you it is much of the same. Your Brazilian Air Force P-3 patrols in the east are unable to be maintained for longer than one more day due to only having two planes who take turns and need maintenance. Where do you want to base these P-3s from?
Rio Gallegos is the current destination for the civilian charters and unable to accept any more maintenance. If the P-3s head there, you need more maintenance support there.

Most of the airports are tiny.

You were already provided your status report of your airplanes via DM. In addition to that, the FACh can furnish 4 more F-16A MLUs, if you both find an airport with space for them and provide them with 30 containers of aviation maintenance tools and communications equipment.


I would like to consider having our P-3's relocated to the current in-use by civilian airfield of the Aeropuerto de Puerto Santa Cruz, located surprisingly in Santa Cruz up the coast from Rio Gallegos. I don't see a significant issue of turning on turning on some political pressure early to have us subsume more of the civilian infrastructure of Chile now given how badly this can turn out. Further I feel Santa Cruz is located in a position that isn't too bad for logistically flying the P-3's out of, and honestly it will be out next stop if the airfield at Rio Gallegos becomes too weak a position to hold if things go badly.



Regarding the F-16A MLU's think we'd ALL love to have them. Maybe they could also live in Santa Cruz if needed, else I am happy to make arrangements of the required matiance equipment and associated crewing to be moved to the current home of Panther in El Calafate.

Combat Tasking Updates

Hermanos y hermanas I am not one for long winded speaches but let me say this isn't going to be an easy war for anyone, we know the enemy is relentless and cunning. We must also be thus if we want to preserve our homes. Some of you may get less than glamourous assignments, but none the less you are all heroes. Onto assignments.



Colt you will be running BARCAP in the highlighted regions, operating in pairs to keep the area clear of any excursions by the PLAAF. You have the secondary objective of covering the retreat of any other aircraft exiting the forward AO.



The hotspots on the front line will be covered by members of Chevy providing CAS to General Humberto's ground forces. To ensure safety you will get TARCAP support from 2 members of Pontiac. Along with Colt on BARCAP Pontiac will serve as a secondary screen for the other two operations we will be running in the area.

The first of the is Operación Comida Rápida which will involved acquiescing to the request from General Humberto to provide logistical support to the artillery operating in the front line AO. Two C-130s will link up with members of Panther and proceed to deliver much needed supplies of ammunition into Franco Bianco Airbase. This shall take place during the early hours of the 15th of Feb, with the protection of both Pontiac flying TARCAP and the special mission of Panther hopefully providing enough cover to let the C-130s to touch down, rapid dispersal of supplies and a quick get away before the PLAAF J-7s become a threat. If we're very lucky they may even show no respect to what we're coming to the area and throw a few in simply to be shot down. The more we can do to thin out their forces the better.

The second operation comes with to ideas, for which I would like to hear opinions from the Commander and from the War Room at large. Operación Escalpelo is the DEAD operation against the suspected BUK-equivalent located at the Porvenir Airport. The mission is designed to free up some capability for CAS in Tierra del Fuego and for further reaching strike missions against the PLAN maneuvering through the archipelago - we have naval strike capacity with Pontiac and I'd like to put it to use at some stage. Proposition One for the operation is as follows:



The most rapid of the two, this proposition is to use a Chevy fitted with Kh-28 ARM's, and escorted by Pontiac as required, destroy the anti-air artillery. Downsides of this proposal including chewing up air time on Chevy, and placing our most valuable CAS aircraft at risk.



Proposal Two is to utilise members of Venom equipped with AGM-88s and their own air-to-air defence to conduct the strike instead. Downsides of this plan are obviously it places the ultra-valuable air craft at risk, and honestly I am unsure of our surplus supplies of HARMs at this stage - logistics are still lagging in that space.

That's all for now. You know where to find me if there's anything people wish to follow up on - I'll be in the corner with the large coffee pot.

General de aviación Daniela Figueroa Scholz

Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Oct 10, 2023

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Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Sounds a little like a Khe Sahn type situation developing

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