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hobbesmaster posted:And their treaty with the martians hinged on a tragic mistranslation of “yup-yup” I would've thought it was more of an issue with the "ACK ACK ACK" really.
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Anyone know what the effect of mud season might be expected to be on the Russian defensive lines? How does the ground turning into a sodden morass affect minefields?
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shame on an IGA posted:I don't know anything about armor tactics but they seem very confident in Russia's inability to hit any drat thing to send one tank right out into the open like that to assault that treeline I'm going to assume the Ukrainians had been doing detailed recon on the forces in the treeline and knew exactly what they were and were not equipped with, since they said they had been there long enough to clear routes through the minefields to that forested area. Cugel the Clever posted:Anyone know what the effect of mud season might be expected to be on the Russian defensive lines? How does the ground turning into a sodden morass affect minefields? It doesn't, really, weather doesn't really affect mines, just makes them harder to find. orange juche fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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Arrath posted:Huh. Here I would have assumed the MIC would spring for insulated wire in the first place.
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They must be insulated! Most spools have the wire maximally interacting with itself on the spool!
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As long as the wire is only touching itself that wouldn’t matter. It would still only be connecting the missile and the launcher. Just with a large clump of copper/metal on one end. That wouldn’t affect any electrical signal. That said, if the wire sagging and touching water was a problem, then sagging and touching the ground could also be a problem. However, water is a much better conductor, so I guess leaked current could be a bigger problem there. I’m mostly just guessing/speculating here. It could also be that they didn’t really consider the water problem too much (or deliberately ignored it) until they later found a good, easy way to fix it or decided it was worth the effort and expense to fix it.
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DTurtle posted:As long as the wire is only touching itself that wouldn’t matter. It would still only be connecting the missile and the launcher. Just with a large clump of copper/metal on one end. That wouldn’t affect any electrical signal. You need a circuit for current to flow, so you need two wires.
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spankmeister posted:You need a circuit for current to flow, so you need two wires. Not if the launcher is grounded.
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The Lone Badger posted:Not if the launcher is grounded. Ah yes. Wireless ground technology on the missile. Truly futuristic tech.
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The Lone Badger posted:Not if the launcher is grounded. Two wires, uninsulated for the US stuff.
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spankmeister posted:You need a circuit for current to flow, so you need two wires.  I knew I was forgetting something.
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FWIW, you should be able to do it with one wire. You don't need to transmit a (usable) current, just a signal, and for that all you need is a capacitor and relatively high frequency alternating current.
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Antigravitas posted:FWIW, you should be able to do it with one wire. You don't need to transmit a (usable) current, just a signal, and for that all you need is a capacitor and relatively high frequency alternating current. In that situation it could have an effect if the wire is laying in water instead of ground.
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According to this source the TOW 2 wire-guided missile has two wires:quote:TOW anti-armour missile
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During the great deluge of videos of Syrian armor getting annihilated circa 2015-2017 there are several clips of TOWs being fired where the two wires are visible if you squint a bit.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I couldn't remember it to save my life, but firing a Wire Guided TOW over water requires an algebraic equation. I'm not joking. Fairly certain it details a bit in the publicly available stuff why, but don't want to venture towards OPSEC land. Dragon definitely did; you had to aim above your target and then dip it down once the missile was past the water. You also had to do that if there was any heavy brush. Dragon was a piece of poo poo, and I hated the fucker.
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could the problem have been the physical effects of drag from the very long wires falling into the water rather than electrical effects?
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shame on an IGA posted:could the problem have been the physical effects of drag from the very long wires falling into the water rather than electrical effects? quote:Firing over bodies of water.
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PurpleXVI posted:Instead of posting about how limited my sympathy is for any poor Russian civilians who have a bad time due to hanging out in occupied territory and profiteering from war crimes, I will post something interesting: God that dude sounded very very tired when he said that final word. "Constantly".
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Doesn’t the Merkava have a hard kill system with what amounts to a fighter type radar system? Still an interesting tank regardless, since it can have an optional toilet in the turret. Every tank has a functional toilet in the turret if you're nasty enough (or if the civilian contractor just signed off on the turn-in documents). --It's the access panel to the sub turret.
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Doesn’t the Merkava have a hard kill system with what amounts to a fighter type radar system? Still an interesting tank regardless, since it can have an optional toilet in the turret. Every seat in a tank is a toilet if you're tired enough.
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I can't find any one tweet summarizing this, but it looks like the Ukrainians have broken into the Russian's first line of defenses in Verbove and Novoprovopivka, but the Russians are following their plan and regularly counterattacking from the second line of defenses. How long can either side keep that up for? Will the Ukrainians have to withdraw if they can't stop the Russians from counterattacking?
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The recent trends have been that the Ukrainian's let the Russians exhaust themselves by counterattacking into artillery and then continue onwards, but obviously this relies on you managing to hold off the counter attack. At this point it's probably too early to tell if they will manage to hold onto their forward positions or if there will be more back and forth.
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The X-man cometh posted:I can't find any one tweet summarizing this, but it looks like the Ukrainians have broken into the Russian's first line of defenses in Verbove and Novoprovopivka, but the Russians are following their plan and regularly counterattacking from the second line of defenses. Literal WW1 tactics. We are probably weeks out of tune with what is going on and I figure once they realize what is going on the forward attacking unit will have counter battery fire ready to go already and the Russian tubes presited in on the trench line being attacked will get vaped faster than a ecig in a kombucha lounge.
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One of the grimmer bits of analysis from the Royal United Services Institute was, along with a general increase in tactical adaptation from Russian units*, that they have become very good at striking a position immediately as defenders are withdrawing. To the point where Ukrainian units are essentially taking positions and then having to move off them straight away as a fluid part of the assault. *They assessed that the "lol Russian incompetence" stereotype of the troops on the ground was no longer particularly applicable iirc.
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Well, we definitely noticed by the escalation of tactics in 2004-2005 that we had apparently killed off all the dumb insurgents in Iraq.* *along with a ton of others, but who am I telling
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Traditionally, trench assaults always rely on follow on logistics to be taken, because the doctrine of every military ever is to counterattack and deny them the leverage. That counter is most often in the form of an immediate Infantry assault, but could also come from indirect fires. If the attackers have friends, fires, or supporting elements, they can make an attempt to hold, but it ends up being a scrabble to who can get the most into that little area. That always favors the defenders- their assault troops will always be closer. I don't know the exact math to it, but I know that a BN sized unit would be tasked with assaulting a trench position that would be held by a company size element. A lot of dudes into a narrow hall, hope they get a toe hold, and can keep enough blood pumping for the next wave through. A good example of this kind of desperate push/pull struggle can be found in 'Hell In A Very Small Place', and other accounts of the Siege at Dien Bien Phu. Particularly the Foreign Legion taking and retaking of one of the smaller firebases that made up the base itself. Not exclusively trench fighting, but a drat good example if you dont want the PTSD of watching GoPro. I mean there are plenty of accounts, but large scale trench warfare after WW2 has been pretty short of choice examples (thankfully for humanity).
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bulletsponge13 posted:Traditionally, trench assaults always rely on follow on logistics to be taken, because the doctrine of every military ever is to counterattack and deny them the leverage. That counter is most often in the form of an immediate Infantry assault, but could also come from indirect fires. A lot of reports lately are that Russia sometimes just leaves destructive charges in the most prepared areas and blows the place once they retreat and it’s overrun.
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mlmp08 posted:A lot of reports lately are that Russia sometimes just leaves destructive charges in the most prepared areas and blows the place once they retreat and it’s overrun. That works, too.
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I thought to ask a friend of mine who was an 0352 and he said that water's not as much of a problem with recent missiles, but powerlines are something that have to be taken into account.
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mlmp08 posted:A lot of reports lately are that Russia sometimes just leaves destructive charges in the most prepared areas and blows the place once they retreat and it’s overrun.
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mlmp08 posted:A lot of reports lately are that Russia sometimes just leaves destructive charges in the most prepared areas and blows the place once they retreat and it’s overrun. Doesn't that risk sympathetic detonation by enemy artillery?
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The Lone Badger posted:Doesn't that risk sympathetic detonation by enemy artillery? nah. Modern military explosives are generally very stable.
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A.o.D. posted:nah. Modern military explosives are generally very stable. How about military explosives that have been stored in an open field since WW2?
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IPCRESS posted:How about military explosives that have been stored in an open field since WW2?
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A.o.D. posted:nah. Modern military explosives are generally very stable. Tell that to the BMP3....
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OddObserver posted:Tell that to the BMP3.... the t-72 knows where it is by where the turret isn't
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brains posted:the t-72 knows where it is by where the turret isn't That one got a hearty chuckle out of me.
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brains posted:the t-72 knows where it is by where the turret isn't Okay that was good
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Dragon definitely did; you had to aim above your target and then dip it down once the missile was past the water. You also had to do that if there was any heavy brush. Dragon was a piece of poo poo, and I hated the fucker. shame on an IGA posted:could the problem have been the physical effects of drag from the very long wires falling into the water rather than electrical effects? Oh, right, hence the name! The wires Dragon the ground.
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