[P/I] Live Hamas

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Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

In Training posted:

Idk. What are you gonna do to prepare anywau.

go to my local solidarity rally

wait no, post about going to my local solidarity rally

apologies for any confusion I may have caused

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HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

pushpins posted:

At what point do we have to worry about the nukes Israel has

thats probably not happening unless israel is about to lose entirely or some more insane fascist takes over

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In Training posted:

Idk. What are you gonna do to prepare anywau.

Just need to send an email to Fukuyama saying "How's that end of history going?" before I'm vaporized

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HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

going to hide under a table and prepare by reading the case for israel

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sum: Nov 15, 2010

pushpins posted:

Just need to send an email to Fukuyama saying "How's that end of history going?" before I'm vaporized

Gaza doesn't have a McDonalds. ANd this is ultimately the reason for their irrational behavior,

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Too Many Birds: Jan 8, 2020

im gonna drive towards the POI

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F Stop Fitzgerald: Dec 12, 2010

speng31b posted:

yes i think it is fair to assume this. that said and not responding to this post specifically but more a general thing -- i am going to start giving out six hour probations for posts that are essentially just fanfiction about the horrible ways israel is going to genocide the gaza strip. we all know that horrible outcomes are a possibility but posts that are basically just "wow, this sure will be a genocide huh" are bad and gross and will be against the rules now.

amerikkkan liberals LOVE fatly handwringing about how angering the oppressors will only make things worse

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Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

https://twitter.com/EmpireStateBldg/status/1710786475472703846

dti, dta, etc etc

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Nix Panicus posted:

I would like to express my formal support for the Palestinian people and a sincere hope that the IDF fails at every task and the Israeli state collapses

if they israelis wanted the attacks to stop they could just leave palestine

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lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

repeating my call for the idf to peacefully surrender and end this awful war

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

lobster shirt posted:

repeating my call for the idf to peacefully surrender and end this awful war

realistically they have left hamas no other choice than to press for a surrender

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pushpins posted:

At what point do we have to worry about the nukes Israel has

Israel nuking Gaza is like New Jersey nuking Delaware.

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Centrist Committee posted:

https://twitter.com/EmpireStateBldg/status/1710786475472703846

dti, dta, etc etc

if I was a skyscraper in New York I wouldn't tempt Allahs's wrath

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icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

The holy land should be placed under the fair and judicious mandate of the Chinese Communist Party

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

mcmagic posted:

Israel nuking Gaza is like New Jersey nuking Delaware.

no, it would actually be terrible

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spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

Holy cow

https://twitter.com/arieldanino/status/1710779576077677056

"if there is a problem with an atomic bomb because of the radiation, it is also possible to compromise on thousands of other bombs that will have the same effect. Gaza is flattened with hundreds of thousands dead.

If you prefer to die "morally", your problem. I don't want to die, I don't want more Jews to die, and I prefer a million dead Arabs to one Jew."

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mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

Mantis42 posted:

if I was a skyscraper in New York I wouldn't tempt Allahs's wrath

George w bush: 😅

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Ardennes: May 12, 2002

lobster shirt posted:

repeating my call for the idf to peacefully surrender and end this awful war

I am worried for them, they are just conscripts put in a bad position.

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Korean Boomhauer: Sep 4, 2008

Smythe posted:

action halflife

the specialists

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

come to think of it we need eyes on W so he doesn't try anything

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

https://x.com/AttorneyGenUSA/status/1710813458349101331?s=20

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smoobles: Sep 4, 2014

Mantis42 posted:

if I was a skyscraper in New York I wouldn't tempt Allahs's wrath

lmaooooo

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Morbus: May 18, 2004

smarxist posted:

lol they want to see genocidal levels of retaliation so bad to vindicate their stupid loving simpering real politic equivocating

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Dr_0ctag0n: Apr 25, 2015; The whole human race
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spacetoaster posted:

Holy cow

https://twitter.com/arieldanino/status/1710779576077677056

"if there is a problem with an atomic bomb because of the radiation, it is also possible to compromise on thousands of other bombs that will have the same effect. Gaza is flattened with hundreds of thousands dead.

If you prefer to die "morally", your problem. I don't want to die, I don't want more Jews to die, and I prefer a million dead Arabs to one Jew."

Tough talk from a guy named after a Disney princess.

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Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Korean Boomhauer posted:

the specialists

He is clearly talking about the Gunman Chronicals.

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Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Al! posted:

nobody said frontline force ftl

ohhhhh man that one owned

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Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

AnimeIsTrash posted:

if they israelis wanted the attacks to stop they could just leave palestine

Sounds like a smart move if you ask me.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1710798874439295017

the war will be fought on tiktok

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Skaffen-Amtiskaw: Jun 24, 2023

Mantis42 posted:

https://x.com/AttorneyGenUSA/status/1710813458349101331?s=20

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VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

I haven't heard much about what's going on in the West Bank right now, is there any kind of uprising?

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Lpzie posted:

ok I'm at the Gaza strip. now what

pick your team

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smarxist: Jul 26, 2018; by Fluffdaddy

AnimeIsTrash posted:

if they israelis wanted the attacks to stop they could just leave palestine

if they wanted they could assemble a football team that'd dominate the NFL, who's with me?

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SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Dr_0ctag0n posted:

Tough talk from a guy named after a Disney princess.

This motherfucker was literally all "Boy, ethnically cleansing Palestinians sure is hard work, but somebody's gotta do it" just five days ago.

How's that working out for you, Ariel?

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

People buy into the IDFs own tough guy mythology but if you read about them trying to actually enter Palestinian areas in the Intifadas, the IDF is not nearly as motivated as people believe.

From MASTERING SOLDIERS: Conflict, Emotions, and the Enemy in an Israeli Military Unit

Author interviews infantry battalion staff on Hebron operations posted:

I remember that the first time we went to the Intifada it was six or seven months after it began. It looked very violent, very difficult. That�s what they showed on television. And I expected it to be very difficult; that is, I expected that we were going to war. It was not a routine matter. I came with a lot of apprehension, and I couldn�t imagine how we would grapple with this thing with all that we saw in the media...On a general level, there is the level of politics of what we are doing there, of dealing with civilians. And I wanted to disengage the company from these things. I didn�t always succeed, but I wanted to, because I felt that it would be in the way of them carrying out what they had to do. For example, if you�re �anti� the whole thing, let�s say you�re aware of doing things you should not be doing. You can�t solve all sorts of technical problems if you discuss the whole idea of it all of the time.

The infantry has all sorts of problems that other corps do not have; at least not in the same extreme way as does the infantry.

Q: What do you mean?
A: All sorts of problems dealing with a civilian population that you have to grapple with. Here you have to disregard all of the previous opinions that you had before. You have to be straight and stick to your aim or goal. You have to be loyal to the one that sent you and to your goal. Now as a commander of a reserve unit you are dealing with a much larger problem than in units from the permanent army. In the units made up of soldiers in their compulsory term of service you can disregard [private] opinions and say �Hey guys, we are all here and that�s it.� You don�t have a problem of people coming from the agricultural sector or the economic sector or from the judicial sector; with reservists you just can�t say that �nothing is relevant to us.� You can�t say �no discussion, no talking; and that is it.� You can�t.

Now I know that I am putting things in an extreme manner but with reservists it�s much harder and you have a lot of temptations. It�s not that other parts of the army don�t have these kinds of problems, but that in the infantry it�s in general much more serious.

Q: Is it more serious because of the kinds of activities that infantry units are sup- posed to carry out?
A: Yes, yes. I think that you can find a morality of war [moosar / milkhama] among the other forces, but that for infantry soldiers it is much more complex. When you fire a shell in a tank, or when you cast a bomb from a plane you don�t have a concrete connection with whom you hit. And in the infantry you do have this concrete connection, more than others... In the infantry you have much more contact with enemy soldiers in a way that you can ask the question �could we have taken them as prisoners?� You face these kinds of questions much more than if you shoot at someone from far off either from the ground or from the air.

Author supposes that the IDF cannot actually cultivate and sustain aggression towards an organized enemy posted:

More concretely, the American forces seem to have systematically cultivated among their troops a rage against the Vietnamese foe. During Vietnam, rage at superiors fostered during training was transformed and channeled (especially among the Marines and the airborne forces) into fury at the enemy. Training practices at the time reflected a positive view of humiliation and degradation as motivational techniques (Shay 1995: 202). Indeed, the �logic� behind such practices appears to have been an attempt to demean and debase troops in a manner that could later be directed towards the antagonists in Southeast Asia. The �folk culture of the American military, especially during the Vietnam War, merged the fighting spirit with being berserk. Leadership beliefs [later, in and around battlefields] encouraged the conversion of grief into berserk rage as a militarily desirable consequence� (Shay 1995: 200).

The Israeli army, in contrast, does not encourage or value the berserk state, and generally refrains from extreme forms of humiliation as part of training for motivation or for the inculcation of a fighting spirit. This point, moreover, is especially true for the country�s reserve forces who make up the foundation and the bulk of the IDF�s strength. In my unit, and probably in most of the elite forces of the IDF, there is almost no organizational propagation of a view in which enemy forces are turned into �evil� groups deserving some kind of special, wrathful treatment.4 For example, Holmes (1985: 282�83) cites an extensive research project on the IDF that found that very few soldiers mentioned hatred of Arabs as a motivating factor for fighting. Rather, the chief factors were refer- ences to the small, cohesive groups of combatants. Moreover, while it should be stated that Shalit (1988) found that hate and violence towards Arab enemies were problems among support troops (during the war in Lebanon) they were precisely those soldiers who were not trained for emotional control in combat. In Israel, the historical change in attitudes to the enemy were (arguably) the Six-Day War of 1967 and the Yom Kippur War of 1973. Israel�s overwhelming victory in the former conflict may have led to a period of ridicule and contempt for the armed forces of the Arab countries. But after the Arab forces� success in the latter war, this disdain was reversed, and what emerged was a renewed regard and respect.

If my contentions hold, then we may be able to understand some- thing about the distinctive ways in which enemies are handled by different military organizations. Shay (1995: 118) is correctly aware that �any ideology that debases the enemy endangers the lives of soldiers while they fight.� It is a dangerous ideology because it leads to a situation in which the strengths and advantages of the enemy are not taken into account by soldiers and commanders in a realistic manner. Reflective military commanders �have always rejected a positive image of the berserker, noting the degradation of unit effectiveness that comes from the berserker�s loss of all social connection... [and because a berserk person has] lost the capacity for restraint� (Shay 1995: 200). Notice that at the base of Shay�s argument is the model of combat in which the soldier�s need for restraint, reserve and moderation of action are directly related to his (and his unit�s) performance. But the obverse of his argument does not seem to hold. His contention is that the truth that veterans learned in Vietnam was that men cannot kill an enemy understood to be honorable and like oneself (Shay 1995: 103). Shay thus seems to suppose that because war cannot be waged on the assumption of a similarity between combatants and antagonists, then it inevitably leads to the latter�s demonization.

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studio mujahideen: May 3, 2005

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Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

mcmagic posted:

Israel nuking Gaza is like New Jersey nuking Delaware.

there�s no shortage of highly placed, well respected ir theorists who advocate, completely �seriously�, for the deployment of �dial-a-yield� �tactical nukes� (epic weapons i images my Lego guys using on each other in badass battles)

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Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Korean Boomhauer posted:

the specialists

beautiful game

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/AyshanASLAN/status/1710732941645504788

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speng31b: May 8, 2010

Smythe posted:

beautiful game

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Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

spacetoaster posted:

Holy cow

https://twitter.com/arieldanino/status/1710779576077677056

"if there is a problem with an atomic bomb because of the radiation, it is also possible to compromise on thousands of other bombs that will have the same effect. Gaza is flattened with hundreds of thousands dead.

If you prefer to die "morally", your problem. I don't want to die, I don't want more Jews to die, and I prefer a million dead Arabs to one Jew."

Jesus

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