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Framboise posted:What a loving miserable experience that looks to be. Honestly at a certain point the game isn't to win commander, it's what's the worst card I can get onto that banned list.
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The real deep tech for mono-white draw is the "wacky enchantment" package: Endless Horizons, Pursuit of Knowledge, and Tenuous Truce. I'm pretty sure all three are actually legitimate cards even up to the competitively casual power level. If we're sticking to lands though, I fully agree with both Minas Tirith and War Room are near-staple inclusions for mono-white. Windbrisk Heights isn't quite as easy to add, but has an even higher ceiling than the other two. Many mono-white decks can also support adding a couple sacrifice lands as well, e.g Cryptic Caves, Roadside Reliquary, or even Buried Ruin.
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https://mythicspoiler.com/who/cards/cyberconversion.html Not quite Pongify, but still pretty cool.
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Batterypowered7 posted:https://mythicspoiler.com/who/cards/cyberconversion.html That's extremely solid because you can lock up a commander with it.
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Torchlighter posted:Honestly at a certain point the game isn't to win commander, it's what's the worst card I can get onto that banned list. Wormfang Manta's not on that list yet!
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Oct 7, 2023 00:14
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"Oh you'd like to play a casual game here? Well how about you casually memorize our 170+ banned cards and paragraphs of errata! Having fun yet?"
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disaster pastor posted:Wormfang Manta's not on that list yet! That card is very abuse-able actually. Get a strict Procter and reanimate and sacrifice loop and you have infinite turns.
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Batterypowered7 posted:https://mythicspoiler.com/who/cards/cyberconversion.html One of the best cards in the precons tbh, it's UU: lock out a commander or other threat without sending it to a place where it can be cast again. Kinda reminds me of oubliette but nowhere near as good. Such is blue removal.
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Oct 7, 2023 00:51
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Oct 7, 2023 02:03
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I've not put that card in decks just because I don't want the sad robot to ruin the vibe. This one has the right vibe for my Most Dangerous Gamer deck if nowhere else. I have many clown robots to cheer him up with.
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Oct 7, 2023 03:02
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In my early EDH days I took a particular amount of joy flickering and looping reanimation on the sad robot. I kept the poor sucker in limbo to keep drawing cards and grabbing lands.
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Oct 7, 2023 03:24
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Each time you replay him he should look a little sadder and broken down, like a sort of edh dorian grey portrait.
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Batterypowered7 posted:https://mythicspoiler.com/who/cards/cyberconversion.html This gently annoys me (Doctor Who rules talk) because it kinda fucks with morph. A face down creature used to have no creature type, and while there's no reason it can't have or gain one, now you have to track that it's the Cyberman? It's another point where the rules are becoming subservient to the brand (like how Time Lord is one type and the rules had to be adjusted to allow that). Still, it's very unlikely to matter all that much.
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Magnetic North posted:This gently annoys me (Doctor Who rules talk) because it kinda fucks with morph. A face down creature used to have no creature type, and while there's no reason it can't have or gain one, now you have to track that it's the Cyberman? It's another point where the rules are becoming subservient to the brand (like how Time Lord is one type and the rules had to be adjusted to allow that). Still, it's very unlikely to matter all that much. This isn't the first time face down creatures can have types. Illithid Harvester from CLB makes face down 2/2 Horrors.
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Also, tracking morphs vs manifests vs 6-drop Ugin’s +1 tokens on a physical board could already become confusing.
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Magnetic North posted:This gently annoys me (Doctor Who rules talk) because it kinda fucks with morph. A face down creature used to have no creature type, and while there's no reason it can't have or gain one, now you have to track that it's the Cyberman? It's another point where the rules are becoming subservient to the brand (like how Time Lord is one type and the rules had to be adjusted to allow that). Still, it's very unlikely to matter all that much. Manifests and Ugin the Unfuckable's Spirits say different
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Mix. posted:Also there are morph and manifest reminder tokens so id imagine we're going to get Cybermen ones too Yeah, there's 3 of them in the precon
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Magnetic North posted:now you have to track that it's the Cyberman? Seems like a flavor win.
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Magnetic North posted:This gently annoys me (Doctor Who rules talk) because it kinda fucks with morph. A face down creature used to have no creature type, and while there's no reason it can't have or gain one, now you have to track that it's the Cyberman? It's another point where the rules are becoming subservient to the brand (like how Time Lord is one type and the rules had to be adjusted to allow that). Still, it's very unlikely to matter all that much. I'm a bit confused. Why is this a problem? Part of the rules for Morphs and Manifests is that you're supposed to make it crystal clear which is which. To the point that, IIRC, in tournaments in the Tarkir era they specifically labeled each morph "morph 1, morph 2" etc. Going from "morph 5" to "cyberman" is... not a deal at all? At least to me.
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Played Slivers tonight but kept getting bombarded with board wipes! I was able to have about 10 slivers in my graveyard and once I bought out my First Sliver for the 3rd time and casted Patriarch's Bidding. Another board wipe swung past me exiling all of my indestructible +13 other benefits to all of my slivers. Sucks!!! I get a little bit of poo poo and even some pre-installed table politics "Oh he is playing Slivers? Yeah he is bad"! With my group but it's all in good fun. I do have other decks I can play that just blow up out of nowhere but I enjoy Slivers and Dragons the most.
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Katamari Democracy posted:Played Slivers tonight but kept getting bombarded with board wipes! I was able to have about 10 slivers in my graveyard and once I bought out my First Sliver for the 3rd time and casted Patriarch's Bidding. Another board wipe swung past me exiling all of my indestructible +13 other benefits to all of my slivers. Just like me fr fr
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Raenir Salazar posted:Just like me fr fr I saw how you and others were engaged with the Sliver drama and quite frankly. I know your pain. The problem I have with my local group is that we have some people with outstanding power commander decks who do not play well with the majority Newbie / Great experience with the game. These guys are a little toxic and play the game at a breakneck speed. They got upset with me because they would by turn 3 have so much crap on their sides that I take time to understand and read what the card does. But im the bad guy for trying to understand how your two drop turned into a 9CMC cost without cascading frendo! Thankfully I am in a very good group and while I do get the occasional "Oh poo poo slivers boo this man"! Its always in good fun. And if I can perceive that as good fun and them still inviting me to play every week? Those are great players and you should be their friend!
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Katamari Democracy posted:I saw how you and others were engaged with the Sliver drama and quite frankly. I know your pain. The problem I have with my local group is that we have some people with outstanding power commander decks who do not play well with the majority Newbie / Great experience with the game. These guys are a little toxic and play the game at a breakneck speed. They got upset with me because they would by turn 3 have so much crap on their sides that I take time to understand and read what the card does. But im the bad guy for trying to understand how your two drop turned into a 9CMC cost without cascading frendo! Awesome!  My group is slowly improving with the addition of new players from other parts of my extended friendgroup, but I'm currently looking into some new decks: Ideas: 1. Improving my Kaalia deck, I feel like it could be better, but I generally like the flexibility I have, but I suspect I need either some more lands, (running 35? Maybe I should bump it up to 38?) and maybe more removal. 2. Maybe some other kinds of dragon tribal, like Ur-Dragon with Tiamat or something? Maybe something Morophon related? 3. I saw some Kobold cards and I'd love Kobold tribal but there's like only 10 cards. =/ I could maybe make a more RP deck that has Kobolds that are like, serving some dragons? Dragon-Kobold tribal? 4. Maybe some kind of Robot themed deck that's just infinite robots? 5. Wizard deck? Like you're a wizard casting spells, so the only creature can be yourself (i.e your commander) and then things specific to being like a D&D mage, some maybe Elementals, Imps, but no typical MTG creatures like Elves.
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i wanted to do a wizard typal deck with guff as the commander just bc the idea of a guff deck that doesnt care about planeswalkers made me laugh, but building it just made me realize it was just a jeskai spells deck and i already have an ovika deck for that so no thanks
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Katamari Democracy posted:They got upset with me because they would by turn 3 have so much crap on their sides that I take time to understand and read what the card does. But im the bad guy for trying to understand how your two drop turned into a 9CMC cost without cascading frendo! This is awful, one of the most fun parts of magic is showing off to new players how all your cool poo poo works and they're too impatient and lovely to enjoy it smdh
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Raenir Salazar posted:
Judging by your friend group you may like the Baral deck where it's just spells and bullshit in there until you get polymorph and turn Baral into hullbreaker horror then pretty much win on the spot.
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Primal surge my entire deck into play. Lose when I move to combat because one opponent targets me with Archmage’s Charm to draw 2. Goofy format
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Magnetic North posted:This gently annoys me (Doctor Who rules talk) because it kinda fucks with morph. A face down creature used to have no creature type, and while there's no reason it can't have or gain one, now you have to track that it's the Cyberman? It's another point where the rules are becoming subservient to the brand (like how Time Lord is one type and the rules had to be adjusted to allow that). Still, it's very unlikely to matter all that much. I don't really get this objection or at least "the rules being subservient to the brand" part. Top down design has been a major part of magic since the original Innistrad and the development of Double-faced Cards to represent Werewolves as well as a lot of other developments in that set, and the success of that kind of design was proven further in Theros with stuff like the gods. All this is is applying the same principles just with non-WotC lore as a starting point.
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Floppychop posted:So I've played the Angels secret lair deck a few times with Giada as the commander and I've really liked it. Anyone tweaked it and have suggestions? Here's the deck I'm running right now: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GZLAjPoiN0Cl1BuYxGs1bw The first two things you should take out are Search for Glory and Thalia's Lancers. They're only in to tutor for Gisela as Bruna was intended to be the face commander. Luminarch Ascension is probably my favorite add in the whole deck. Playing it turn 2 means someone has to answer it almost right away or else you're gonna be making GBS threads out giant flyers at flash speed real quick. Note: Sideboard cards are what was in the taken out of the precon deck. Infidel Castro fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Oct 8, 2023 |
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Looks like much more of that stuff had come around than I recalled. I don't really follow normal sets anymore, just the occasional spoiler looking for little glimmers of creativity.
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Infidel Castro posted:Here's the deck I'm running right now: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GZLAjPoiN0Cl1BuYxGs1bw Luminarch’s Ascension is a great way to put a giant target on your back. If you stumble on blockers or if your opponents are aggro enough, you just get plinked every combat to deny you counters. That said, it’s still a great card. 
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What's the point of the face down card mechanic? Why not just make tokens?
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Khanstant posted:What's the point of the face down card mechanic? Why not just make tokens? You're stealing the cards from your opponent and thereby depriving them of having those cards even in the graveyard. If you get something with Morph/Megamorph, I'm pretty sure you can activate those yourself as well. Flavorwise as well, the Cybermen are all about turning other things into more Cybermen, not just building more from nothing.
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Ah okay I completely forgot about that aspect and that's a flavor win for sure
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And while the deck has none, there are ways for you to flip them.
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Aphrodite posted:And while the deck has none, there are ways for you to flip them. Yeah. You put both hands under the edge of the table then lift them quickly.
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Technically speaking if all the cards end up landing the same way they were before and everyone's ovaries stay in a stack (you're really good at throwing tables wow) is the game still valid and in play, like, no rule you can't play on the floor right?
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serefin99 posted:If you get something with Morph/Megamorph, I'm pretty sure you can activate those yourself as well. This is correct. I actually went and looked up the rules for Morph the other day because I wanted to confirm that, and Morph/Megamorph do not care how the card got turned face down. All Morph/Megamorph cares about is, "Is the card face down, yes or no? If yes, then at any point you have priority, you may pay the Morph/Megamorph cost to turn it face up." Even wilder is that Morph/Megamorph are not considered activated abilities and do not use the stack. Turning a creature face up is a special action, similar to playing a land or paying 3 to put a companion from outside the game into your hand. That means it gets around things that prevent you from activating abilities, like split second or Grand Abolisher. Comprehensive Rules posted:702.37. Morph
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W.T. Fits posted:This is correct. I actually went and looked up the rules for Morph the other day because I wanted to confirm that, and Morph/Megamorph do not care how the card got turned face down. All Morph/Megamorph cares about is, "Is the card face down, yes or no? If yes, then at any point you have priority, you may pay the Morph/Megamorph cost to turn it face up." Yeah it's great (and the first bit is a key part of the Yedora combo deck)
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