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I don’t like Gant either. Only 3 law enforcement personnel in this series I like so far. Gumshoe is our pal, Edgeworth is a worthy adversary, and Karma was a joy to take down. These others just seem caricatures more than anything else.  Ask Gant where the other murder occurred.
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Edgeworth aggressively going after Starr and Gant is probably because he's only a few months removed from nearly confessing to a murder he didn't commit and finding out his mentor killed his father and used him as a pawn in a 15-year revenge scheme. And now he probably feels like he's being set up or at the very least being used again on top of having everything he knew about prosecution being called into question as a result of Von Karma being an unscrupulous psychopath. Two murders at the same time, one involving his car and involving evidence he was apparently handling? It's no wonder he looks like he's about to have a stroke when the Chief of Police just cannonballs into the coutroom.
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Gant is a disturbing character. It's not the way he acts toward others, it's not his dialogue. It's those eyes.
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Truthkeeper posted:Gant is a disturbing character. It's not the way he acts toward others, it's not his dialogue. I really like the way he stares at the camera just long enough for it to be uncomfortable.
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I think the whole introduction is so well done, with the swing from the timid little "excuse me, knock knock?" from off-screen, to the stare and the heavy theme, and then back to "busy-smizzy, we should all go swimming together" and then it all coalesces into hitting Edgeworth with a fatal dose of old boy condescension. It feels a lot shorter than the other character introductions we've had this chapter, and it's a lot stronger that way.
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Truthkeeper posted:Gant is a disturbing character. It's not the way he acts toward others, it's not his dialogue. Cats blink at you slowly to signal they like you, but I don't think it means the same thing for Gant.
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Truthkeeper posted:Gant is a disturbing character. It's not the way he acts toward others, it's not his dialogue. why are his pupils white, is what I'd like to know. Everyone else's eyes are normal.
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NullBlack posted:why are his pupils white, is what I'd like to know. Everyone else's eyes are normal. What the gently caress I never noticed that ...cataracts? e: You know maybe that's why he has his eyes closed most of the time if he can't really see much anyway.
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davidspackage posted:Cats blink at you slowly to signal they like you, but I don't think it means the same thing for Gant. It’s a common trope in comics. I’d tell you what it means, but that would be spoiling. Go watch the film Unbreakable. Get enough into it and you’ll understand.
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NullBlack posted:why are his pupils white, is what I'd like to know. Everyone else's eyes are normal. I meant to respond to this post above. My bad.
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achtungnight posted:I meant to respond to this post above. My bad. Oh Christ lol, I had no idea what you meant
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NullBlack posted:why are his pupils white, is what I'd like to know. Everyone else's eyes are normal. Oh, it's worse than that. If you look close (I know, but we do what we must, FOR SCIENCE!)...  ...he has some kind of spiral shaped irises, with the white spot as the center of the spiral. No actual pupils. He's clearly not human. No wonder he wears sunglasses indoors.
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Aha, so he's Al Bhed.
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Truthkeeper posted:Oh, it's worse than that. If you look close (I know, but we do what we must, FOR SCIENCE!)... ...really weird contacts maybe?
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Truthkeeper posted:Oh, it's worse than that. If you look close (I know, but we do what we must, FOR SCIENCE!)... If you look closely everyone has them. It's the art style
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I don't think it's everyone, but Phoenix and Ema also have prominent iris rings. Haven't noticed the white pupils on anyone but Gant, though. E: Goodman looks like he's got the white pupils as well, but we only have the one profile picture, and that could just be the lighting. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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Part 130: Episode 5, Day 2, Trial Latter: Second Stabbing   So, tell me... where was the victim found? ...Music: Silence  Well, I can't speak on where the corpse was found. Is that distinct from the one at Criminal Affairs that we've been in a couple of times now? Or some similar room at the similar building next door called the Police Department? If the murder took place at Criminal Affairs, maybe that's why the whole place was locked down yesterday? Either way, it looks like some kind of confrontation over SL-9 evidence took place there...  (The evidence room!?) Sound: Light Bulb I can't say I've heard of it. (I guess I should ask again once I learn a bit more about this "evidence room.")Apparently not the same room we've been in, then?  Sound: Realization Music: Questioning - Moderato  Whichever choice we make, we end up back at the cross. We're free to repeat the previous press and explore the other options, despite the claim that we could only pick one thing. Back to pressing on the rest of the testimony...  The time of the crime? 5:15. Scary coincidence, eh? Five... 5:15...!?Sound: Realization B-but that's...Music: Silence  Sound: Drama Pound  What!?Sound: Light Bulb Funny, isn't it? What are the chances!Sound: Realization  Sound: Gallery (Coincidence!?)  Sound: Desk Slam Chief Gant, please tell us more about the incident! It's not officially linked to this here case, so I can't talk much about it. How can you say there's no connection!? How? Because I'm the Chief of Police! Sound: Clapping   Try to understand, Wrighto. I kept cutting off that weird post-dialogue animation. I think that's the whole thing there. Maybe there is something that ties the two murders together?Sound: Realization  That's all the presses. Let's go back and explore the other two options for more information about the other murder.  Well, how was the detective killed? How was he killed? Now that's the interesting part! Sound: Realization Sound: Stab 2 A kn-knife...?Music: Silence  Sound: Drama Pound  That's the spirit! We're cooking now!Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping But you know... Sound: Realization Wh-what do you mean!?Sound: Light Bulb  (It seems like I'm going to have to press this a bit harder...) Circling back to hit the last option... So... when did the murder at the Police Department occur?Music: Silence  Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping Well, my boy... You're gonna love this!Yeah that one just leads into his line about the time of the murder. Kind of a weird one to include. Time to go back to the extremely well signposted contradiction early in the testimony.  This choice might be difficult if I hadn't spotted that the note was upside-down way earlier. So I guess I should stop bad-mouthing all the hints we got about it. Note that you don't actually have to have examined the evidence tag on the knife to be able to present the note here. Music: Silence  Wait a second! Ah, at last! An honest to goodness "objection"!Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping  What do you mean!?Sound: Whack  Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping x 2  Look at the tag on this knife! It reads "SL-9 2"... And this is important... why?  Sound: Realization  6 minus 7S... 12/2...? Your Honor... It's upside-down.Sound: Realization Upside...? But turn it around and what do you get!? Sound: Wipe Sound: Drama Pound Music: Investigation - Core Ah... Ah haaaaah!  Sound: Objection  Sound: Gallery  Sound: Gavel Order! Order! Well, Chief?Sound: Whack ... Ah well.Sound: Realization Music: Silence  Sound: Light Bulb I... win? Ah... (What game is this guy playing!?)Music: Questioning - Moderato  All that for a simple revised line of testimony (this line actually replaces both of Gant's first two lines). I do like the more complicated crosses in this episode, though. I think we've heard about that evidence room before, too. Might as well press again! So this knife... was stolen? Yes, but on the day of the murder.  Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping x 2 It was evidence from a case long-since solved... (So this knife was stolen on the day of the murder...) I've given up on theories for now. We need more information.  Hard to think there isn't a connection there!We're still in the cross, but there is one press we got told to try again later. It's later.  Specifically, this one... So, tell me... where was the victim found? ... Well, I can't speak on where the corpse was found. But I can say the crime took place in the evidence room at the Police Department. (The evidence room!?)Up until now, this press was the same as before. From here, we diverge now that we've heard about the evidence room somewhere else.  Sound: Light Bulb Music: Suspense   Sound: Wipe  Come on, game. That line literally happened in this same update. Not even that far up in this update, just seven images ago! No one needed that flashback. (There's the connection between the two cases!)Sound: Light Bulb  You seem happy, Mr. Wright! Sound: Realization Music: Silence (With the link between the two cases established, we finally have some leverage.) (Now we can get Gant to testify about the details!)Music: Questioning - Moderato  I wasn't paying much attention to Phoenix's lines while recording here, so was a little lost at what to do next. The big hint here, is the game brings us back out to the cross, but skips ahead to the final line. We know this statement isn't true anymore, and Phoenix even explicitly tells us that the link has been established so we can make Gant testify more here. So how do we do that? With another press, of course. Sound: Desk Slam Music: Silence Chief... The defense's position is simply this: Heh, you don't say? Well, out with it Wrighto! What's your connection? Yes, out with it, Mr. Wright.Music: Logic and Trick  The knife found in the lot was stolen...  I was wondering why we had to go through some elaborate speech to point out that Gant said "evidence room" twice, but I guess Edgeworth is going to pitch in and help here.  was killed in that very same evidence room!Sound: Realization  Indeed...  Music: Silence You two make a good pair.Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb Damon Gant is unflappable so far. Oddly, that fact just makes me more suspicious of him.  Sound: Desk Slam  Chief! See, that's the tricky part. It hasn't been announced yet, and all... Sound: Realization Music: Questioning - Moderato  Sound: Light Bulb Really, that worked?  (What? Really!?)Sound: Stab Who would have guessed? We get another revised line of testimony, this one replacing his final line about needing a link between the cases. I'm guessing we have to press again here?  Ah, well, case information is sticky stuff. You have to do everything properly. Three more choices here. Too soon for a break; I'll just go top-to-bottom here. Knowing where the victim worked seems most immediately useful. Okay, well... What division was the victim stationed in? Oh? You want to know that, do you? Do you? Ah hah...Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping  Rough day for that squad. Gumshoe eliminating some competition for that next bonus...? (Homicide... that would be the same division as Detective Gumshoe!) Sound: Light Bulb It's almost like a serial killer was after homicide detectives... It's a simul-killer! Well, I sure hope Detective Gumshoe isn't next on the list...Sound: Realization  We're brought out of the cross, forced through the end-of-testimony scene again, and have to scroll all the way back over to the new last line of testimony, press again, and finally get back to this prompt. Since the first option didn't get us anywhere, and the second option looks more promising, I'll get the joke option out of the way now. Okay... how about the gender of the victim! You want to know that!? Um... Hmm... Okay, a hint. Non-binary wasn't really an acknowledged thing back then I guess. Ah hah!Sound: Light Bulb He was a guy! What did I tell you! The boy's sharp!Sound: Clapping  Sound: Whack S-sorry, Your Honor. (Hey, tell that to the Chief of Police!) Same long loop back to what I hope is a more rewarding piece of information. Okay... How about you tell me the victim's ID number? Of course not. You won't tell me their name, after all.Sound: Realization We keep a tight lid on ID numbers, so don't go getting your hopes up. Sound: Realization Music: Silence ...Thanks? Well! That's quite...Sound: Light Bulb long! And we have to remember these! It drives me nuts! (You didn't even get the first number right!)Sound: Whack Sound: Gavel Music: Logic and Trick Well, Mr. Wright? Does this tell you anything? I would call this selection, 50% hope and 50% bluff. Sound: Desk Slam Actually, it does, Your Honor. It does...! I think!Sound: Realization Meaning?Music: Silence   Sound: Realization This one's going to be good. quote:We are punished with more wasted time by backing off on this one: Sound: Gavel Music: Logic and Trick Well, let's hear what the defense has to say. tells you something? What does it tell you? This one's easy if you've looked at the Court Record at all. I, of course, am not going to show you that. Can you figure it out anyway?
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DKII posted:
It's not weird, it's his "thinking" animation. Like how Phoenix rubs his chin, Edgey taps his finger, von Karma squeezes his shoulder, Maya rests her cheek on her palm, Ema taps her pen, Marshall shaves his infinite stubble, et cetera, Gant is tugging at his forelock which just happens to look like a thunderbolt. You know, a gentle repetitive tactile movement to help you focus. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:It's not weird, it's his "thinking" animation. Like how Phoenix rubs his chin, Edgey taps his finger, von Karma squeezes his shoulder, Maya rests her cheek on her palm, Ema taps her pen, Marshall shaves his infinite stubble, et cetera, Gant is tugging at his forelock which just happens to look like a thunderbolt. You know, a gentle repetitive tactile movement to help you focus. Well it's weird that it lasts so long before finally looping about 20 seconds later.  Then again that's about in line with his blinking stare...
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5842189?! That's the ID number on our attorney's badge! Were we murdered?
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I mean... there's a non-zero possibility.
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FoolyCharged posted:5842189?! That's the ID number on our attorney's badge! Were we murdered? Now that's an apropos avatar for this thread.
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FoolyCharged posted:5842189?! That's the ID number on our attorney's badge! Were we murdered?
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Marshall shaves his infinite stubble I've finally come up with an explanation for this one - Japanifornian knife laws are so strict, Marshall's knife obviously can't be real! It's made of plastic!
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And the plastic is so soft that Marshall's stubble is shaving bits off of it!
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Wouldn't that make it a parallel killing?
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parallel killing... and the body was found in a car that was parallel parked! i've got it figured out! no, wait, it's not parallel parking, is it? you know, i've never really understood the term 'parallel parking'. if all of the cars are facing the same direction, they're parallel to each other. doesn't matter if they're front-to-back or side-to-side, as long as they're facing the same way. even diagonal! diagonal parking is my favorite kind.
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Gosts posted:you know, i've never really understood the term 'parallel parking'. if all of the cars are facing the same direction, they're parallel to each other. doesn't matter if they're front-to-back or side-to-side, as long as they're facing the same way. even diagonal! diagonal parking is my favorite kind. You're parking parallel to the road.
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Parallel parking can kiss my rear end 
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GilliamYaeger posted:You're parking parallel to the road. gently caress
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These two lines of enquiry could potentially go on forever without us ever being able to connect them
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Phoenix should check Goodman’s ID card. That number looks familiar. I think I have the plot figured out. Goodman and his evil twin Badguy were murdered on the same day at the same location. One in the parking lot, one in the evidence room. Now we just need to find Badguy’s body and the probable killer, their triplet Neutralboy!
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Part 131: Episode 5, Day 2, Trial Latter: Prosecutor Penalty  Did you see it? The number on the ID is the same as what Gant told us about his victim! Meaning... both murders have the same victim!? Here's what I think is happening here - Gant said he couldn't speak to where the body was found. That's because they never found the body! All they found was a large pool of blood, they figured out it belonged to Goodman, and that from that amount of blood loss he must've died from whatever wound he took. Or maybe they actually got a witness or photo/video of him getting stabbed there? Either way, he somehow got transported from there to the Prosecutor's Office, where he was later found. And the detectives were so busy investigating their own crime scene, and outsourcing the other crime scene to Officer Jake Marshall, that no one realized that both crimes had the same victim?  Sound: Desk Slam Witness! ... ... ... ... What is it, Mr. Wright!?Sound: Stab  Sound: Whack No, I... it's just, I got confused... And this is news?Sound: Realization Huh?Sound: Light Bulb I think Phoenix is confused by the implications of his discovery.  Luckily Edgeworth is here to help us out? Music: Suspense  (Two places, two detectives murdered... at one time.)Sound: Wipe  Oh hoh! Is it yours? Sound: Stab This is the ID number of our victim, Detective Goodman. Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping  Sound: Realization quote:Nothing else works here, obviously: Music: Silence ... ... ... And...?Sound: Realization This means... what, exactly? Huh? Sound: Light Bulb That started with "82..." Hmm. I've forgotten. Sound: Whack quote:This line from Phoenix was originally: "(You even got the first number wrong!)" It kind of misses the entire joke of repeating the same line as before, doesn't it?  Music: Suspense   Mean? That's what I want to know! The two ID numbers are identical! In other words... Sound: Realization Sound: Desk Slam Music: Silence  Sound: Objection ... Oh! Ho ho ho, sharp as a tack, Wrighto! Sharp as a tack!Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping  Sound: Stab Sound: Stab 2  Well played on the double-stab effect for the double-stabbing victim.Sound: Wipe  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Desk Slam Yet, a Detective Bruce Goodman was also killed at the Police Department... Sound: Objection Music: Telling the Truth Sound: Desk Slam Th-that's impossible!Sound: Whack  So, what we're saying is... The same person was killed at the same time!? Sound: Drama Pound + Objection  Sound: Gallery Yeah you go ahead and discuss this one, gallery crowd. I'm still not sure exactly what it means. Even if Goodman was killed elsewhere, and transported in Edgeworth's trunk... why did Lana go there and open it?  Sound: Gavel x 3 Order! Order! Order! Chief! What does this mean!? Sound: Whack Sound: Drama Pound Suddenly I think I know what was in that report that Edgeworth refused to look at yesterday.  Now, just wait a second, Worthy. No need to get all flustered.Sound: Desk Slam  Wait.Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Well that's a more sinister-looking image. Or didn't you hear me? ...!Sound: Light Bulb  Mr. Edgeworth... They're yours.Sound: Realization Music: Suspense  Sound: Light Bulb We informed you yesterday. Sound: Realization O-Officer... Meekins? Mr. Wright! Where have we heard that name before? Wait... Ah hah!Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Wipe  Erm...! Sound: Door Opens Sound: Thud 2 Excuse me! But is Mr. Edgeworth, uh... anywhere on the premises?Sound: Whack  Sound: Whack I'd forgotten that the report came straight from the chief.  Question: Did Gant send Meekins with the report, knowing that the ridiculous officer would be more likely to get ignored by Edgeworth? This entire episode still seems like a giant trap for Edgeworth somehow. According to Meekins, you didn't accept the report. Hard to believe.Sound: Realization  B-but your officer, he told me!  Mr. Edgeworth. The victim's name is written right on the top of the report. Gaaaaaaah!Sound: Stab 2 Wh-why didn't your officer tell me!?Sound: Whack I still blame Meekins for all this.  Probably exactly why Gant sent him. He did seem... challenged. Edgeworth's agression in dealing with Gant keeps backfiring on him. So let's double-down on it! B-But, sir!!!Sound: Whack  Sound: Objection And here comes some made-up bullshit about another rule of evidence... Then, I...Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Music: Investigation - Core What!?Sound: Light Bulb Now what was the second rule of evidence law, hmm? Well, Mr. Wright? Huh? Oh, well, it's, uh...Sound: Light Bulb  And how is this rule relevant!?Sound: Whack  This report wasn't on that list...Sound: Realization So... What does this mean? Sound: Realization Yeah, that's bullshit. The header of the report containing our victim's name immediately makes it relevant. But I guess the important part is that Gant can justify withholding it and making Edgeworth look dumb about it? ...!!Sound: Light Bulb The connection was just proven by Wrighto over here. Good job, Wrighto, my boy! Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Desk Slam No...Music: Silence  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Drama Pound I guess that was Edgeworth taking a penalty. I wonder if he'll react as badly as Karma did.  Sound: Gallery  The judge is silently contemplating the implications of having the same victim in two different murders. Music: Trial It seems... we have come to the end of this trial. You were even in the defendant's chair just this past December...!quote:The original version of the last two lines...doesn't make any sense: "You are becoming a thorn in my side, Worthy... There've been rumors... After all, you were in the defendant's chair just last year...!" I didn't go back and check the original script for every other episode, but it does seem like this episode originally had a lot of awkward or mis-toned lines. A rushed translation originally, maybe? ...!Sound: Light Bulb  M-Mr. Edgeworth! Please... Just give me one day. You'd better get results this time. Really. You have my profound apologies. Sir.quote:Original line: "I'm sorry! I'm so sorry!" Doesn't sound like Edgeworth at all...  Poor Mr. Edgeworth...Sound: Gavel   I will grant one further day as the prosecution has requested. Will that be sufficient, Mr. Edgeworth? Yes, Your Honor. Thank you. Sound: Gavel Music: Silence Very well! Court is adjourned! No interlude in the lobby this time I guess. Music: Jingle - It Can't End Here  Not sure it was necessary to break up this trial day into two segments for just the one testimony from Gant, but I imagine these segments will get a lot longer and more complicated on the other trial days. 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the evidence rules sure come off as a bunch of post hoc rationalization, and it is still crazy that discovery seemingly just is not a thing, but on the other hand, I feel like we've been observing them all game? Like, you can't just introduce things like the Vasquez/Powers photo or the DL-6 file as soon as you walk into the courtroom, even if you might have a good theory about why they'd matter; you have to wait until a witness says something they contradict, or the judge asks you to substantiate a statement you've made, and only then do you get to introduce it. I don't think we've seen anything to contradict them, at least. Edgeworth makes an opening statement and introduces all the pre-approved evidence, you don't get to do either, and Gant exploited that to introduce some evidence that should have been pre-approved, but wasn't, by letting Phoenix introduce Goodman's ID as corroborating evidence, thus opening him up to speaking freely about the other Goodman murder. I at least read it as clarifying an unspoken rule more as freshly introduced bullshit.
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As silly and as melodramatic as this whole series is, it's moments like this which make it strangely engaging to me - it's very 'political machinations'.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Like, you can't just introduce things like the Vasquez/Powers photo or the DL-6 file as soon as you walk into the courtroom, even if you might have a good theory about why they'd matter; you have to wait until a witness says something they contradict, or the judge asks you to substantiate a statement you've made, and only then do you get to introduce it. Yeah Rule 2 is at least a little more consistent with the actual gameplay we've had so far. I still find it to be kind of lazy writing I guess? I dunno, just rubbed me the wrong way still. I feel better about it interpreting it more as Gant hiding behind the rule rather than the rule strictly forcing him to have not submitted the report earlier during the trial.
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Gant is absolutely weaponizing the rule here. As pointed out, they knew of and established the connection and went so far as to put the victim's name in their report to Edgeworth. There was nothing stopping Gant from making that connection directly in his testimony and thus making it legal. Instead he ran Phoenix on that little circus to deliberately throw Edgeworth under the bus again
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Not only could he have immediately established the connection during his testimony, he could have just called Edgeworth before the trial and told him, hey, that moron I sent to you actually had some critical information for you, I'm sending Gumshoe to drop off the file to you again, actually read it this time. Or, as mentioned earlier, not sent Jenkins of all people to deliver it in the first place. They kicked a bunch of detectives out of criminal affairs—basically everyone except the top ranks, I think?—they could easily have sent someone with a brain to deliver it. And trusting an important file to Jenkins would be silly even in normal circumstances.
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Oh yeah Gant is totally being a dick about it and could easily have skipped the whole clown show if that's what he wanted to do, all I'm saying is that it is actually consistent with how the cases have worked so far.
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