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Monica Bellucci
Dec 14, 2022
No-one is going to believe Keith Richard Gere'd a snake.

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Aramoro posted:

I think if you can't see the difference you might have brain problems.

Offering to swap usernames with Private Speech

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Monica Bellucci posted:

No-one is going to believe Keith Richard Gere'd a snake.

Reports say that he calls them "nature's fleshlights" :(

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
The difference being that its potentialy nearly indisinguishable from reality, and kids generally don't have years of hardened photoshop skills.

As always though the problem isn't the technology, it's that we raise boys to think that acting that way is acceptable.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




I think another key difference is they’re children, which takes it into an entirely different class of hosed up thing to do.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


History Comes Inside! posted:

I think another key difference is they’re children, which takes it into an entirely different class of hosed up thing to do.

I mean yeah, obviously, but it's not like that stops someone from doing it in photoshop either.

fe: Just to clarify, I'm not defending it however it's done, just saying that maybe it's not a reason to ban AI generation.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Private Speech posted:

The difference being you use a scary AI instead of adobe photoshop to do it?

hmm yes what is the difference between an obviously fake image and a plausibly real one

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Private Speech posted:

The difference being you use a scary AI instead of adobe photoshop to do it?

Firstly deepfakes aren't AI, but that's an aside. Previously creating these images took a lot of time and a certain amount of talent. It wasn't open to everyone, fakes were easy to spot. Fake celebrity nudes were pretty big for a while, and still are they an extent.

With the technology where it is its become trivially easy to create pretty convincing images of anyone. There are dedicated services out there advertising that they'll create nude images of your crush. So now you have regular school children put in the position of denying it's them. It's being used to sexually harass and bully children in a way that's pretty new.

You can't ban the technology, it's out there now. But people have to be aware of it so these children are not put in these terrible positions of having to deny it's them. You know how hard it is to deny something people want to believe is true. It also has to be made clear that creating and distribution of these images is not a funny prank or whatever, just because it's essy.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Failed Imagineer posted:

Ah, her location said UK so I assumed, don't think I know what she sounds like

Cool if she is over here! Also she's a sports commentator now, she did porn for like 3 months and still is considered one of the most popular actresses of all time. Now she mostly just posts thirst traps every now and again.

Source: I am trapped

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Julio Cruz posted:

hmm yes what is the difference between an obviously fake image and a plausibly real one

I also never actually heard of anyone doing this with cut-and-paste when I was a kid, would have seems extremely weird. It's a whole different ballgame if there are creepshow factories out there marketing bespoke deepfake CP/blackmail material to schoolkids.

I also don't believe the answer is "ban Photoshop" or whatever, that would just be like Xerxes whipping the incoming tide

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Makes u think

https://twitter.com/cobratate/status/1711109849021300737?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Private Speech posted:

Not sure how that's very much different from schoolboys cut & pasting faces from photos into porn magazines, or the digital equivalent.

It's a lovely thing to do but I don't think you need to ban ML image manipulation because of it.

I was at a security conference last month and got talking to an academic uses OSINT to help law enforcement track down online distributors of child sexual abuse material.

At one point we talked about ML image generation. Most people who are aware of it seem to think they're fun tools, but don't realise there are models out there that people with a reasonably powerful PC can use to generate almost photo-realistic images of child abuse.

Scraping Instragram and generating anatomically accurate nudes of adolescent children is a world apart from photoshopping their faces onto adult bodies.

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

The recordings might be fake but what they tell us about Keith speaks volumes.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Wonder what goes through your head, if anything, while you're doing your own mini Kristallnacht?

https://twitter.com/miqdaad/status/1711292818168172827?t=-pF4No7DFs6La01NXLYqIw&s=19

Shameful stuff. But also bravo to the JLC, and the Baddiels of the world for fully impressing "Israel=Judaism" into the minds of hateful simpletons

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Failed Imagineer posted:

I also never actually heard of anyone doing this with cut-and-paste when I was a kid, would have seems extremely weird. It's a whole different ballgame if there are creepshow factories out there marketing bespoke deepfake CP/blackmail material to schoolkids.

I also don't believe the answer is "ban Photoshop" or whatever, that would just be like Xerxes whipping the incoming tide
Yeah if there are services presumably run by adults generating this, automated or not, then hit them with the nonce hitting stick.

If both the perpetrators and targets are minors then it's more a matter of educating boys better to not do that in the first place.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah if there are services presumably run by adults generating this, automated or not, then hit them with the nonce hitting stick.

That's exactly what it is, according to the article it's a company calling itself Clothoff that provides bespoke fake nudes to demand - including pictures of children.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think that's already illegal in the UK along with drawn representations.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

OwlFancier posted:

I think that's already illegal in the UK along with drawn representations.

It is. Fake porn of kids will get you put somewhere unpleasant for as long as the real thing.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


OwlFancier posted:

I think that's already illegal in the UK along with drawn representations.

Always found it darkly funny that Rolf Harris was charged with "creating indecent images"

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

sebzilla posted:

Always found it darkly funny that Rolf Harris was charged with "creating indecent images"

He gave them all kangaroo bodies.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

sebzilla posted:

Always found it darkly funny that Rolf Harris was charged with "creating indecent images"

Can you guess what it is yet?

:tif:

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Failed Imagineer posted:

Wonder what goes through your head, if anything, while you're doing your own mini Kristallnacht?

https://twitter.com/miqdaad/status/1711292818168172827?t=-pF4No7DFs6La01NXLYqIw&s=19

Shameful stuff. But also bravo to the JLC, and the Baddiels of the world for fully impressing "Israel=Judaism" into the minds of hateful simpletons

"Vandalised" is an odd word to use when the cash register was stolen. I'd have used "burgled" or "robbed".

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I popped into my local music/coffee shop this morning, and there was a customer who was excitedly explaining to the owner how there was a recording of Keir Starmer being abusive towards his staff, and that he didn't believe it was an AI. 24 hours from posting that tweet to hearing it mentioned in my little provincial town. :allears:

DreddyMatt
Nov 25, 2002
MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF CURRENT EVENTS IS EXCEEDED ONLY BY MY UNQUENCHABLE THIRST FOR PISS. FUK U AMERIKKKA!!

fuctifino posted:

I decided to sacrifice my account totally to the TBEU adjacent trolls


(placeholder text for now until caffeine kicks in)


lolling at hobbyist landlord

Skulker
Jan 27, 2021

Duuuuuude!
What was it that Jeremy Corbyn supposedly did that was so antisemitic? Anything I've read about it makes it seem like some kind of recursive loop where he was being antisemitic by not responding to accusations of antisemitism seriously enough. So what started it?

Straight answers only please, I'm too old and tired for goon irony layers.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Skulker posted:

What was it that Jeremy Corbyn supposedly did that was so antisemitic? Anything I've read about it makes it seem like some kind of recursive loop where he was being antisemitic by not responding to accusations of antisemitism seriously enough. So what started it?

Straight answers only please, I'm too old and tired for goon irony layers.

He's a lifelong anti-apartheid campaigner who, like many anti-apartheid campaigners, treated I/P as part of the same struggle. Pretty much everything else is the exact same recursive loop of deliberately disingenuous nonsense you're talking about.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Skulker posted:

What was it that Jeremy Corbyn supposedly did that was so antisemitic? Anything I've read about it makes it seem like some kind of recursive loop where he was being antisemitic by not responding to accusations of antisemitism seriously enough. So what started it?

Straight answers only please, I'm too old and tired for goon irony layers.

He foolishly shared an image of a mural which used anti-semitic tropes (and I think the artist was later revealed to be an anti-semite).

He (unknowingly) made a trip to the grave of someone who was a suicide bomber in Israel (maybe getting the facts wrong there), and has also shared platforms with and referred to Hezbollah and Hamas as friends. Both organisations which can be argued as containing some anti-semitic sentiment.

This is probably about the full extent of genuine 'concerning' things he has done.

For what it's worth I don't believe he's anti-semitic, just not very careful about who he associates with (which is something that much of the UK left can be accused of). Plus he never expected to ever hold office or be in any senior position, so just had a history general activist stuff which was a bit edgier than polite society can handle.

keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Oct 9, 2023

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Corbyn called my nan a bigot!

DreddyMatt
Nov 25, 2002
MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF CURRENT EVENTS IS EXCEEDED ONLY BY MY UNQUENCHABLE THIRST FOR PISS. FUK U AMERIKKKA!!
Something about English irony

The mural

Laying a reef

Epshteen

Would give Johnson a copy of a Christmas carol

1965917
Oct 4, 2005

keep punching joe posted:

He foolishly shared an image of a mural which used anti-semitic tropes (and I think the artist was later revealed to be an anti-semite).

He (unknowingly) made a trip to the grave of someone who was a suicide bomber in Israel (maybe getting the facts wrong there), and has also shared platforms with and referred to Hezbollah and Hamas as friends. Both organisations which can be argued as containing some anti-semitic sentiment.

This is probably about the full extent of genuine 'concerning' things he has done.

For what it's worth I don't believe he's anti-semitic, just not very careful about who he associates with (which is something that much of the UK left can be accused of).

If all of those things had been done by a Boris in a single day it wouldn't even make the news.

Also I keep thinking of this whenever I see the current media Corbyn pile on.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde
If only he had been close friends with epstein rather than mispronouncing his name, he'd still be in the cabinet.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Private Speech posted:

Not sure how that's very much different from schoolboys cut & pasting faces from photos into porn magazines, or the digital equivalent.

It's a lovely thing to do but I don't think you need to ban ML image manipulation because of it.
I'll take any excuse to ban it tbqh

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/leo_hutz/status/1711337940805107819

:allears:

I love how the more the MSM deny it, the conspiratorial crowd refuse to believe the official narrative

I added a bit more confusion to the mix

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1711336575110459393

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1711335938545082801

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Oct 9, 2023

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Dabir posted:

I'll take any excuse to ban it tbqh

I mean, yeah, okay, I actually really respect that, but there's better arguments to ban AI.

fe: I'll shut up about it, it's not a great topic all in all.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Oct 9, 2023

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

keep punching joe posted:

He foolishly shared an image of a mural which used anti-semitic tropes (and I think the artist was later revealed to be an anti-semite).
I think the press made that latter bit up, I remember the Telegraph specifically having a quote purporting to be from the artist saying the mural was "about the rich Jews who control the world" that is now absent, with no correction issued, so it seems the most likely course of events is that someone made it up entirely before someone else quickly realized they'd done a libel.

A lot of the former were also exaggerated heavily, like the figure in the robe being taken as given that it was mocking Jewish religious clothing, when the artist confirmed that it was actually a mockery of infamous racist edgelord dickwit and conspiracy weirdo Aleister Crowley.

There were some problematic aspects to it, but there was also a full on flooding of the narrative with bullshit from the minute it could be tangentially connected to Corbyn, so a lot of what is just taken as a given about it is false.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://x.com/conor_matchett/status/1711369855604060438?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Welp, looks like we're quite possibly only a few days away from victim-blaming the in-laws of the First Minister of Scotland for being victims of a genocide by one of our ally states. This timeline really is insanely dark.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Darth Walrus posted:

https://x.com/conor_matchett/status/1711369855604060438?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Welp, looks like we're quite possibly only a few days away from victim-blaming the in-laws of the First Minister of Scotland for being victims of a genocide by one of our ally states. This timeline really is insanely dark.

Daily Express already ran a hit piece on Humza failing to comdemn the Palestinian uprising.

fuctifino posted:

Whatever you do, don't read the replies... ugh.....

Thankfully Elon has spared those without Twitter accounts the indignity of being able to read the replies.

keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Oct 9, 2023

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001


Whatever you do, don't read the replies... ugh.....

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

I can't, because I don't have a twitter account. Please don't take this as a request to post them.

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Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/leo_hutz/status/1711337940805107819

:allears:

I love how the more the MSM deny it, the conspiratorial crowd refuse to believe the official narrative

I added a bit more confusion to the mix

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1711336575110459393

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1711335938545082801

This is very funny and I thank you for it. You are forever going to get trotted out as evidence that left-wing loonies spread as much disinformation as the right, though.

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