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I don’t want to watch the video but are the stories about a grandmother’s execution being live-streamed on her Facebook page true?
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Oct 9, 2023 22:07
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Sri.Theo posted:I don’t want to watch the video but are the stories about a grandmother’s execution being live-streamed on her Facebook page true? I could be wrong, but I don't think it was livestreamed. But she was murdered and pictures of the body were posted to her socials from her phone.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:22
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Sri.Theo posted:I don’t want to watch the video but are the stories about a grandmother’s execution being live-streamed on her Facebook page true? i heard that when the attacks first broke the news. People were saying Hamas logged into her phone and posted her death to Facebook, but I saw nobody with the link or any corroboration so I'm assuming it was just a rumour, until I hear otherwise. Edit: Perhaps I was wrong. Dopilsya posted:I could be wrong, but I don't think it was livestreamed. But she was murdered and pictures of the body were posted to her socials from her phone.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:23
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Marenghi posted:i heard that when the attacks first broke the news. People were saying Hamas logged into her phone and posted her death to Facebook, but I saw nobody with the link or any corroboration so I'm assuming it was just a rumour, until I hear otherwise. It is real. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/israel-hamas-war-grandmother-killed-hamas-use-her-phone-to-post-to-facebook/M4UXL6JUHFGDJNDAHKS65O3UO4/ Twitter is basically a nightmare minefield right now with videos of Hamas killing dogs, Israeli airstrike victims, and dozens of people being gunned down in a field and cars full of corpses at the Trance music festival.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is real. Yeah if you need a reason to quit twitter today is a great day to decide to. It's pretty awful.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:32
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is real. This is on another level, it’s absolutely breathtaking and monstrous. I also note that there was a pro-Palestine rally in Sydney, Australia but it has absolutely been condemned across the political spectrum and for Sydney, extremely small. It’s been brutal though for my Jewish/Israeli friends, who either have family involved or are on the end of some pretty shithouse commentary - a friend at uni who was wearing her Star of David copped some antisemitic comments from the local Socialist Alternative crew.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:33
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That is absolutely awful. Maybe I've been lucky, my twitter timeline has been light on gore compared to what others are saying they've been seeing.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:35
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If you don't want to wade into the muck to confirm some horror story you can might as well assume it's true at this point. There doesn't seem to be any limit on the inhumanity.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:43
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Recoome posted:This is on another level, it’s absolutely breathtaking and monstrous.
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Oct 9, 2023 22:58
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Mischievous Mink posted:What happened at the pro palestine rally that made it receive these condemnations? Some people shouted anti-Semitic slogans and people threw flares and firecrackers at the Sydney Opera House after they lit it up in Israeli colors.  
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Oct 9, 2023 23:05
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Xander77 posted:Per Egypt, their Defense Minister directly warned Netanyahu of a major breakout over a week ago. All over Israeli media, Bibi denies it as (of course) "fake news". Shades of the August 2001 CIA report: Al Queda determined to strike USA https://twitter.com/Lazar_Berman/status/1711394662345265442?s=20
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Oct 9, 2023 23:08
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Some people shouted anti-Semitic slogans and people threw flares and firecrackers at the Sydney Opera House after they lit it up in Israeli colors. Also revised reports put vital at 500 protesters. Not a great look.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:11
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Recoome posted:Also revised reports put vital at 500 protesters. Not a great look. I'm all for protesting the heavily ramped up genocide campaign against Palestinians. Shouting anti semitic garbage isn't cool but that doesn't make the palestinian cause not worth supporting, and I hope the majority of the protesters there aren't cool with anti semites, and are there because of the hundreds of thousands of children in an open air prison with no electricity, and minimal potable water. They need aid and support IMMEDIATELY.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:15
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VideoGameVet posted:Shades of the August 2001 CIA report: Al Queda determined to strike USA Am I missing something, would it make any sense at all for the Egyptian government to say they warned Israel if they didn't? Wouldn't it only serve to piss off other nations in the region?
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Oct 9, 2023 23:18
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Bombs is what they are getting right now I don't really remember an escalation of this conflict of this level in my lifetime to be honest
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Some people shouted anti-Semitic slogans and people threw flares and firecrackers at the Sydney Opera House after they lit it up in Israeli colors. a great look for the resistance
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VideoGameVet posted:Shades of the August 2001 CIA report: Al Queda determined to strike USA
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Mischievous Mink posted:I'm all for protesting the heavily ramped up genocide campaign against Palestinians. Shouting anti semitic garbage isn't cool but that doesn't make the palestinian cause not worth supporting, and I hope the majority of the protesters there aren't cool with anti semites, and are there because of the hundreds of thousands of children in an open air prison with no electricity, and minimal potable water. They need aid and support IMMEDIATELY. I agree with you, it’s just really hard when even major universities in Australia become unsafe for Jewish people due to conflating Israel with Judaism more broadly. I guess in my experience, in my area, the two have gone hand in hand.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:27
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Zzulu posted:Bombs is what they are getting right now Wasn’t it just a couple years ago they bombed a school and hospital which forced the other imperial powers to produce meek statements asking them to kindly stop? There have also been relatively high profile pogroms in Israel against Muslims the past couple of years as well. Collective punishment, resettlement, and ethnic cleansing are nothing new for Israel.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:30
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Mischievous Mink posted:I'm all for protesting the heavily ramped up genocide campaign against Palestinians. Shouting anti semitic garbage isn't cool but that doesn't make the palestinian cause not worth supporting, and I hope the majority of the protesters there aren't cool with anti semites, and are there because of the hundreds of thousands of children in an open air prison with no electricity, and minimal potable water. They need aid and support IMMEDIATELY. Collateral damage is the side effect to the response to arming 700+ civilians. Any country on the planet would do the same. Hamas is responsible, no one else.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:30
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They are raising entire neighbourhoods in Gaza. Some of the overhead shots are brutal 
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Recoome posted:I agree with you, it’s just really hard when even major universities in Australia become unsafe for Jewish people due to conflating Israel with Judaism more broadly. I guess in my experience, in my area, the two have gone hand in hand. Israel has deliberately cultivated this conflation. Not disagreeing with you or trying to pull a “gotcha,” just saying that (yet again) the supposed state for Jews is making things less safe for Jews, abroad and in Israel.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:37
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Viller posted:Collateral damage is the side effect to the response to arming 700+ civilians. Any country on the planet would do the same. Hamas is responsible, no one else. Unfortunately rather than targeting people who committed warcrimes, hundreds of thousands of children are being collectively targeted indiscriminately. Israel is responsible for that, no one else.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Israel has deliberately cultivated this conflation. I’m really not sure how I can agree with this, unless you’re arguing that the state of Israel is influencing the discourse coming from the pro-Palestinian activists in my area. I’m not talking about the way that the Israeli state media tries to portray things, this is just the experiences and actions from the actual activists.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:44
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Viller posted:Collateral damage is the side effect to the response to arming 700+ civilians. Any country on the planet would do the same. Hamas is responsible, no one else. The US committed a bunch of atrocities post 9/11 but even we didn't straight up strategic bomb entire neighborhoods in Kabul after walling it up and preventing everyone from leaving the region. If this is Israel's opening move then I think that term will be horrifyingly appropriate for the campaign they're beginning to wage. fwiw up thread I was also condemning the rave massacre and other civilian directed attacks as a tactically useless atrocity by Hamas. But the reprisals on this scale and with this level of collective punishment are even less defensible, especially given Israel's absurdly superior military might.
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mannerup posted:ive started to see this talking point spread around social media that it was the 'bloodiest single day for jews since the holocaust' and expect it to be repeated a lot in the coming days Yes it may well be and it all happened on Bibi Netanyahu's watch and under his security strategies while he ignored significant intelligence providing information of these attacks. It's a very, very bad look for him and I don't see it going very well for him or his party. I don't think this is comparable to 9/11 at all as in general prior to 9/11; islamic terrorism wasn't really on the radar in the US. Hamas has been a constant threat to Israel. The response of indiscriminate attacks on the civilians of Gaza by Israel are not unexpected. This is just part of the eternal endless circular cycle of increasing violence. The only way to prevent these kind of situations is de-escalation, peace agreements, truth commissions and mutual forgiveness. This includes forgiving war-criminals, terrorists, and other people guilty for atrocious crimes on both sides. This is really the only thing that has ever stopped or solved this kind of situation. Look into the IRA Peace Talk and agreements or the Colombian Peace Process. Anything else will inevitably lead to more deaths, murders, war-crimes, and eventual genocide. The stakes are far too high and both sides are far too dug in and convicted for anything else to happen. nogoodpeople fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Oct 9, 2023 23:47
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I've seen the population of Gaza listed at anywhere from 800k to 2 million, what is it really?
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Recoome posted:I’m really not sure how I can agree with this, unless you’re arguing that the state of Israel is influencing the discourse coming from the pro-Palestinian activists in my area. I’m not talking about the way that the Israeli state media tries to portray things, this is just the experiences and actions from the actual activists. Israel deliberately presents itself as The Jewish State in the Jewish Homeland for Jews. They want to cultivate the Israel=Judaism connection because it encourages sympathy for their barbaric actions so that when you criticize Israel you’re labeled an anti-Semite. Not a whole lotta Jews ‘round these parts but it’s why every one I’ve met hates Israel because it means they feel they have to answer for Israel’s crimes even though they’ve never been there and never want to be.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Israel has deliberately cultivated this conflation. It's clear that Israeli government has pretty much completely opted in to the "Jewish State" ideology rather than the "State for Jews" concept and in partnering with the most ardent right wing factions they're getting attacked by the even more right wing factions of the people that they've been abusing. You can't really ever have fascism without eventual uprisings, and the people you torture eventually end up torturing you. Then they end up with cyclical one-upsmanship until one party is gone or can't out-maneuver the other. These airstrikes leveling neighborhoods are just the next completely predictable step and it's up to Hamas whether or not they will try to do something even more insane. A dirty bomb? Who the gently caress knows.
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Oct 9, 2023 23:54
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Mia Wasikowska posted:I've seen the population of Gaza listed at anywhere from 800k to 2 million, what is it really? The total population for all of the Gaza Strip is around 2 million. There's also Gaza city. That might be what is giving you different answers.
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Mia Wasikowska posted:I've seen the population of Gaza listed at anywhere from 800k to 2 million, what is it really? Close to 2 million in the Gaza Strip. The smaller number you're seeing is probably the city of Gaza, which is located in the Strip but doesn't make up the whole thing. efb
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fuctifino posted:They are raising entire neighbourhoods in Gaza. Some of the overhead shots are brutal I've got a livestream of the skyline running in the background and there's a constant sound of explosions going off. Part of me doesn't believe that Israel would go all in on razing Gaza because of the international backlash but another, bigger part, has a sinking feeling in its stomach.
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I was curious about the chants outside the Sydney Opera House, so I looked up some articles. I found the following: "free Palestine" "shame Israel" “Resistance is justified when Palestine is occupied,” “occupation is the crime” “Palestine will be free”. "Apartheid, wrong in South Africa, wrong in Palestine" 'Allahu Akbar' Which seem like reasonable rallying cries to me. However, the following do not: 'death to the Jews' 'gently caress the Jews' 'gas the jews' "gently caress Israel" was also chanted, but that one could go either way, imo.  Of course this doesn't this doesn't measure the length, volume or participations of the chants, so it's not really a scientific analysis. Sources: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-10/pro-palestine-sydney-rally-flares-protest-opera-house-light-up/102954158 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/09/pro-palestinian-rally-in-sydney-calls-for-australia-to-drop-support-for-israel https://www.9news.com.au/national/i...82-4c97621f2c65 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...death-jews.html https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...081212cdea5978b
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Toxic Mental posted:it's up to Hamas whether or not they will try to do something even more insane. A dirty bomb? Who the gently caress knows. Hard disagree. Regardless of what Hamas does Israel will “mow the grass” every 12-18 months. Maybe they should end the genocide and apartheid and we’ll see how Hamas responds? Edited quoted post to make it more clear what I was responding to Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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mannerup posted:its much, much worse in the ground footage. reporting from MSF who is one of the few medical groups still on the ground is what you'd expect. can barely do triage in the worst medical environment in the world currently Israel has a well documented history of targeting hospitals and clinics, so it's a pretty safe assumption they're doing it now too. Toxic Mental posted:It's clear that Israeli government has pretty much completely opted in to the "Jewish State" ideology rather than the "State for Jews" concept and in partnering with the most ardent right wing factions they're getting attacked by the even more right wing factions of the people that they've been abusing. You can't really ever have fascism without eventual uprisings, and the people you torture eventually end up torturing you. Then they end up with cyclical one-upsmanship until one party is gone or can't out-maneuver the other. These airstrikes leveling neighborhoods are just the next completely predictable step and it's up to Hamas whether or not they will try to do something even more insane. A dirty bomb? Who the gently caress knows. Dirty bombs are pointless, they're a boogeyman made up to scare people. They are not in any real way more damaging than regular bombs. Because of how the explosion spreads around the radioactive material over such a large area in such fine particulates, as long as everybody in the effected area takes a shower at some point, and it either rains and/or you get somebody with a hose to hose off buildings in the area, there's no real chance of radiation poisoning or cancer or what have you. But yeah, Hamas can't stop. As long as the Palestinians are oppressed by Israel, basic human dignity requires that they fight back. The only hope is that they can somehow force Israel to negotiate in something like good faith, which seems unlikely.
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seem like Palestanians outside the political class will be the biggest loser of this round of I/P conflict
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