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Pork Lift posted:These games have asked me to forgive a lot of characters for all manner of crimes, but Kuwana will never overcome the crime of being a Guy Who Vapes i never completeley got used to it
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Mordiceius posted:Maybe it's just that LJ was punching above its weight a little bit with the dilemma it presented. By the end, I felt like both Kuwana and Yagami were wrong. But it's also a topic that doesn't really have a nice, clean solution and that made it far more interesting to me than "punch the bad guys, okay we saved the day." if your story revolves around a morally fraught dilemma and concludes by shrugging its shoulders and walking away then that isn’t nuance, it’s laziness/cowardice. don’t take the ticket if you can’t ride the ride there might be a better version of this story but it’s one that doesn’t have kuwana in it, because the final act exhausts itself trying to justify his actions as morally ambiguous
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Oxxidation posted:if your story revolves around a morally fraught dilemma and concludes by shrugging its shoulders and walking away then that isn’t nuance, it’s laziness/cowardice. don’t take the ticket if you can’t ride the ride Agreed. I understand it's about as sticky a situation as you're going to run into, there are no good answers. The ending felt worse than that. "He's not so bad!" Yeah, yeah he is. We've discussed at length how he is, in this very game in fact. Also 100% seconded on the vaping. Gaming's most disgusting monster.
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Oct 9, 2023 19:44
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the biggest problem I have with Yagami is that he's a total bust in any of the side missions which go for that irreverent Yakuza tone. He's just nowhere near as fun at playing straight man as Kiryu (or Saejima).
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Oct 9, 2023 19:48
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I don’t know, his haunted disgust in the Filthy Four DLC mission was good and he’s a gem whenever he gets to share screen time with kaito. he lacks the bottomless enthusiasm of kiryu or ichiban but he’s not exactly a killjoy
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the biggest problem I have with Yagami is that he's a total bust in any of the side missions which go for that irreverent Yakuza tone. He's just nowhere near as fun at playing straight man as Kiryu (or Saejima). Yeah. I find myself completely disinterested in Yagami in side content (not counting the school stories in this). I do like that Yagami, while in the main story, tends to be more snarky and antagonistic towards people than Kiryu. Yagami can be a bit of a poo poo talker and I like that over the stoicism of Kiryu or the goofy aloofness of Kasuga. Hot take - the best joke in the entire RGG catalog is "rear end Catchem"
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it would take severe brain trauma to dislodge the phrase “scrotum totem” from my memory
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Pork Lift posted:These games have asked me to forgive a lot of characters for all manner of crimes, but Kuwana will never overcome the crime of being a Guy Who Vapes it was a truly inspired characterisation choice. they can't manage to portray him as Enemy due to his philosophy, so instead they use something else that everyone understands to be evil
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Oct 9, 2023 20:55
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"we need to improve the law" is so loving cowardly, too. the problem is how the law is enforced, not the details of specific laws that are already ignored by anyone with a speck of power. but yagami has even fewer answers to systemic corruption than he does bullying.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:"we need to improve the law" is so loving cowardly, too. the problem is how the law is enforced, not the details of specific laws that are already ignored by anyone with a speck of power. but yagami has even fewer answers to systemic corruption than he does bullying. Yagami is a liberal.
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For me where it falls apart is that Yagami's friends all go "he's just like you", and that's fair, Yagami was broken in a different way from his tragic incident he seemingly played a hand in, much like Kuwana, and they both seeked justice for little more than self gratification and ego. Yagami's fight in LJ is a fear that the wrong choice would've set him in this path, that he feels similarly to Kuwana at all is something he has to violently suppress or it exposes his hypocrisy. But it falls apart because his friends aren't making Yagami confront his darkness, they're laughing up how similar he is to the psycho and how cute it is that they can practically finish each other sentences. Actually I think they do do that once? but idk, this series does a good job at putting interesting, complex scenarios and asking me to forgive someone that i will not at all. Like to some degree I think the intent of 7's finale is that you do feel for Aoki and want him to redeem himself from rock bottom, but nah, he had that stab coming from the moment he deported those sex workers. But it breaks my heart because Ichiban doesn't deserve to have the last of his family taken away by Aoki's evil, like Aoki did to everyone else Ichiban loved.
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the ending of yakuza 7 burned me even worse than lost judgment because i hadn't fully checked out by then, despite it getting steadily worse from the tojo clan's reintroduction onward. ichiban spends hours sweating blood to give aoki his due, contrives an impossible plot with a literal shapeshifting man (truly awful contrivance, up there with the rubber bullets), and then aoki stands broken and fully receptive to a proper comeuppance and serving his time, only to gets shivved anyway. waste of my time! gently caress you!! the perfunctory way it dealt with horinouchi was just another kick in the balls on the way out, it's like they had no idea what to do with him after his first couple of introductory scenes. LAD had plenty of high points but it was seriously sloppy even by this series' broad standards Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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On Y7's ending, I'm actually pretty sure Aoki getting stabbed is meant to be a reference to some notorious incidents in Japanese politics where right-wing rabblerousers got murdered by their own followers for not being hardcore enough. IMO, particularly through that lens it's not a bad resolution- for all his high-minded speeches and attitude of slick professionalism as well as treachery and manipulation, Aoki was playing with fire and finally got burned. And fitting that given his political prospects collapse when his dirty dealings are unveiled, his control over the hard-right reactionaries he's stirred up also immediately falls apart once the unhinged, entitled grad school thugs lose faith in him. Also some poetic irony that for all the hardened criminals, killers and one flat out Batman villain in his employ, it's the weakest, most pathetic and contemptible henchman of his who ends up his undoing. Heh, it's basically Saruman getting shanked by Wormtongue. It's definitely not exactly a typical Yakuza ending, though from what I see those tend to be clusterfucks at the best of times. The epilogue also makes more sense considering the devs (and most of Japan) are definitely huge fans of Columbo.
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Oxxidation posted:the ending of yakuza 7 burned me even worse than lost judgment because i hadn't fully checked out by then, despite it getting steadily worse from the tojo clan's reintroduction onward. ichiban spends hours sweating blood to give aoki his due, contrives an impossible plot with a literal shapeshifting man (truly awful contrivance, up there with the rubber bullets), and then aoki stands broken and fully receptive to a proper comeuppance and serving his time, only to gets shivved anyway. waste of my time! gently caress you!! I feel like Hori and Adachi were part of some chopped out plotline that was clumsily amputated mid dev. The way Adachi gets introduced is so hilariously suspect (hello random yakuza man who just got let out of prison, would you like to go to the place you wind up inexplicably getting dumped into after getting shot anyway) and the cobbled together MIRROR FACE doppelganger fight that's still in the game can point to the idea of another traitor plotline that got snibbed
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Oxxidation posted:the ending of yakuza 7 burned me even worse than lost judgment because i hadn't fully checked out by then, despite it getting steadily worse from the tojo clan's reintroduction onward. ichiban spends hours sweating blood to give aoki his due, contrives an impossible plot with a literal shapeshifting man (truly awful contrivance, up there with the rubber bullets), and then aoki stands broken and fully receptive to a proper comeuppance and serving his time, only to gets shivved anyway. waste of my time! gently caress you!! As for Aoki, it's really just irony of him raising a lovely rear end in a top hat who thinks he's the only correct one in the world and that anyone who slightly disobeys the morals of the law should be deported or jailed Horinouchi plot however really went nowhere, but I still consider Y7 to be my favorite story in the series. Its tone is much more enjoyable for me and I'm glad Yakuza's sudden shift into a jRPG allowed secondary characters to shine. In most Yakuzas I can't even remember secondary characters unless they appear for more than one game.
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Perfect Potato posted:I feel like Hori and Adachi were part of some chopped out plotline that was clumsily amputated mid dev. The way Adachi gets introduced is so hilariously suspect (hello random yakuza man who just got let out of prison, would you like to go to the place you wind up inexplicably getting dumped into after getting shot anyway) and the cobbled together MIRROR FACE doppelganger fight that's still in the game can point to the idea of another traitor plotline that got snibbed Heh, that would explain a lot. I do wonder if they realised mid development Adachi was too likeable and the chemistry between the party members too good to really pull off a betrayal plot, so they switched tack mid-development and decided to lean into it. Mirror Face is hardly the silliest thing Yakuza has done straight-faced. It's possible they repurposed some of the intended plotline with Nanba instead, though that could go either way. Maybe they decided having one party member doing that was enough.
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I just got to the part of Lost Judgment where you play as Saori, what the gently caress???? Not expecting this to last very long but lmao, totally out of left field
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Arist posted:I just got to the part of Lost Judgment where you play as Saori, what the gently caress???? did you play regular Judgment?
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Wrex Ruckus posted:did you play regular Judgment? When it came out, and if there was a sequence like that in it I have completely forgotten it
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there is, it's basically the exact same sequence in fact not sure why they felt the need to do it again
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Zokari posted:not sure why they felt the need to do it again Twice!
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Listen, they made that hostess dress-up mechanic forever ago and drat if they're ever gonna stop using it
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There should be a RGG Musou
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Based on my amount of free time and how long things have been taking I should be finished Kiwami 1 right before Gaiden comes out on Game pass. On that note, thank you whoever said get the heat actions that cancel boss healing asap because what an annoying mechanic. And I will not miss Plot wise, guess I'll see how much I've picked up on entirely through reading spoilers and discussions about the other games!
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Arzaac posted:Listen, they made that hostess dress-up mechanic forever ago and drat if they're ever gonna stop using it this is good tho
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I still just want them to put out the hostess club game from Y0/YK2 as a mobile game. I would play the gently caress out of it. Make it a gacha game for all I care. It's fun!
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spiritual bypass posted:There should be a RGG Musou I was going to make a joke about playable Haruka but then I remembered Yakuza 5 already exists. Which at times already is a RGG musou tbh But I agree with you, i want more
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Shortly after LJ was released someone said the ideal Judgment would be Amasawa (the MRC president) and Kaito teaming up, with her handling the detective work and him handling punching guys and Yagami being cut out entirely and damned if they weren't correct
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Mordiceius posted:Twice! I just realized you weren't quoting yourself for emphasis
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Zokari posted:there is, it's basically the exact same sequence in fact it's because she owns, op
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Dr. Cool Aids posted:it's because she owns, op
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Wolfsheim posted:Shortly after LJ was released someone said the ideal Judgment would be Amasawa (the MRC president) and Kaito teaming up, with her handling the detective work and him handling punching guys and Yagami being cut out entirely and damned if they weren't correct They can keep Saori and Gendo for the lawyering, it would be perfect! Also: Higashi arcade management minigame. Instant GOTY
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I feel like the Judgment series is so tied to the Yagami character, that (for better or worse) you couldn't continue the series without him. However - JUDGMENT GAIDEN - THE DEATH OF YAGAMI TAKAYUKI The game starts with Yagami getting killed. Amasawa and Kaito have to unravel the mystery. Gendo, Saori, and Higashi providing backup. In the end, it turns out Yagami faked his death to bring this mystery to light and kick off the adventure, but is still in over his head and is rescued by the crew.
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has there been any word when the judgment tv show is coming out?
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Mordiceius posted:JUDGMENT GAIDEN - THE DEATH OF YAGAMI TAKAYUKI Keep this, dump the rest
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Just finished Ishin. Putting it on the same tier as K1
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I don't dislike Yagami like many here, but I do think of the game where he dies and Kaito/Sugiura share the main role, each 2 styles and you freely swap (Sugiura gets Crane and Snake, Kaito gets his style plus tiger), mostly because (endgame spoileres for both games) Yagami has basically destroyed the ministry of health twice with exposing two massive scandals that came from the very top. The government could absolutely make him disappear for that poo poo.
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Mordiceius posted:I feel like the Judgment series is so tied to the Yagami character, that (for better or worse) you couldn't continue the series without him. However - All of this, but they somehow avoid Yagami having any speaking lines, like in the Kaito DLC. Or, better yet, he has speaking lines, but they're all hosed up because they're generated by an AI.
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Ytlaya posted:All of this, but they somehow avoid Yagami having any speaking lines, like in the Kaito DLC. In the beginning, we just see his "death" but when we rescue him, he has his mouth taped up and is so beaten bloody that he has to go straight to the hospital.
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spiritual bypass posted:Just finished Ishin. Putting it on the same tier as K1 oof, that bad?
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