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I'm late but I just wanted to say thanks for running the fantasy league, Kenning!
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Khizan posted:I'm skeptical of Chris Sumo's takes on a lot of things, but his take on this was that this came down because all the recent prodigies have gone to the stables like Miyagino(Kiho and Hakuoho) and Nishonoseki(Onosato), and that the grumpy old men of sumo made this change so that younger and more modern oyakata like Hakuho and Kisenosato aren't as able to recruit a promising candidate and have them immediately body their way into juryo within a year. It's not THAT extreme a change, they can still make it to Juryo in just three basho at a Hokuoho/Onosato level. Rusty Asanoyama, Recovering Terunofuji, and Ura Ura all did on their returns. My dart throw/guess is they want guys inside the sumo world and all that entails longer before they get the rights and financial freedom of making Juryo.
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Khizan posted:I'm skeptical of Chris Sumo's takes on a lot of things, but his take on this was that this came down because all the recent prodigies have gone to the stables like Miyagino(Kiho and Hakuoho) and Nishonoseki(Onosato), and that the grumpy old men of sumo made this change so that younger and more modern oyakata like Hakuho and Kisenosato aren't as able to recruit a promising candidate and have them immediately body their way into juryo within a year. I don't know about that. Kids are going to wind up with Kisenosato, Hakuho and to a lesser extent guys like Goeido because those guys are cool and their heroes. Unless the goal is for guys like Onosaro to not join sumo at all, removing the MS10/15 should just incentivize people to join at an earlier age. If a kid is serious about sumo, they might want to join after high school and use those years to build up their rank rather than go to uni and start later now. With the Ms15 goal, they could get the uni education and wind up not too far back. And if they are joining earlier, a dumb 18 year old kid is much more likely to make an emotional decision to join their favourite guy's stable rather than make an informed decision to choose the best stable. So let's say Hakuoho last year decided that he might as well start in Jokunochi instead of going the corpo route for a year. He's just going to wind up in Miyagino anyways and be at the exact same spot except maybe even better with a full year of coaching.
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GoatSeeGuy posted:It's not THAT extreme a change, they can still make it to Juryo in just three basho at a Hokuoho/Onosato level. Rusty Asanoyama, Recovering Terunofuji, and Ura Ura all did on their returns. My dart throw/guess is they want guys inside the sumo world and all that entails longer before they get the rights and financial freedom of making Juryo. This is my feeling about it as well. Sumo kind of depends on a healthy ecosystem of non-salaried guys or else it falls apart. Making sure that guys who go into sumo as soon as they can aren't getting cut in line by the ama-sumo guys by too much makes sense. If you thought you had a good chance to make makuuchi, why live as a junior in a heya for three years when you could just go to college and skate into your pro-sumo career close to the top? You want people to think that joining sumo from the bottom is still a fair and equitable way to do it, especially since upper makushita is probably the most high-stakes zone on the banzuke. If everybody just did ama-sumo instead and then opted out as soon as they realized they weren't top division material, we'd lose a lot. I think this way of understanding the change matches the justification for the removal of the weight/height minimums. They are trying to make sure joining sumo the old-fashioned way still seems fair and viable, rather than specifically being salty about Hakuho and Kisenosato recruiting aggressively (they can only be pleased by that).
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John Gunning ageees, and goes more into the changes including adding some 4th division fast-passes. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2023/10/04/sumo/new-tsukedashi-rules/
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https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1709311937723408697 If Asanoyama is supposed to be at the head of the line, homeboy needs to start posting double digit wins. I still think YDC will give the rope to Taco Queso if he's healthy and fights well next month. Bentai fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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Oct 4, 2023 15:36
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Hakuoho will be the Japanese yokozuna we deserve
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Oct 4, 2023 15:45
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https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202310020000940.html The important part: quote:Is Atamifuji, who served as a dewwasher, a candidate for the nickname "Kakukai no Pudding"? 
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Poor Nishonoseki is living in the past, he should be talking up his own guys instead of someone from a rival ichimon. Asanoyama will never even get back to Ozeki.
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Brut posted:Poor Nishonoseki is living in the past, he should be talking up his own guys instead of someone from a rival ichimon. Asanoyama will never even get back to Ozeki. I think he will. I'm much less optimistic about him making Yokozuna though. Time is not on his side.
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Brut posted:Poor Nishonoseki is living in the past, he should be talking up his own guys instead of someone from a rival ichimon. Asanoyama will never even get back to Ozeki. I assume he was just going for a cheap pop by talking up Asanoyama in his hometown.
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pseudodragon posted:I assume he was just going for a cheap pop by talking up Asanoyama in his hometown. Oh hahaha, okay fine, that makes more sense.
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Asanoyama did pretty well considering he was still on the mend from a toe injury. At any rate, if he can avoid major injuries I think he is at least a match for Hoshoryu and Kirishima.
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https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1710052502081573074 Here's a more detailed explanation for why the new Tsukedashi system might actually result in more recruits coming in through it.
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Japan Times had an article about it as well and, yeah, now that the full details are out it makes a lot more sense. Opening it up like they are is gonna help get some younger blood in.
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So it's basically the super prospects who were always going to join anyways like Hakuoho and Onosato get a slight drop which maybe slows them down 2-4 months. And then the guys in the 6-16 range that were pretty good but not competing for championships get a chance to skip the bottom ranks. That seems like a good deal since I could see a couple of those guys who were on the fence deciding to give it shot if they can start at Ms. And the high schoolers getting a TD berth might convince the next Onosato to start at 17/18 rather than 22/23.
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My wife got a new library book for me to read to our baby and it's sumo themed!  I asked her to get me this one so we have our own copy.
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:My wife got a new library book for me to read to our baby and it's sumo themed! That's rad! Haven't heard of that one. Also did a double take looking at the author name there, as the author of Sumo Kitty and Sumo Puppy is David Biedrzycki, but that's a completely different person. (Those are both Polish last names, I think) Brut fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Oct 8, 2023 |
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Oct 7, 2023 23:26
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https://twitter.com/SarahLovesSumo/status/1710825512946499699 Not quite what we're used to seeing in Ozumo, but still pretty fun! There's archives of livestreams from 2018, 2019 and this year here: https://www.youtube.com/@sumo5931/streams
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Brut posted:Not quite what we're used to seeing in Ozumo, but still pretty fun! This rules, thanks for the links!
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Here's our friend Orora with with a sumo goat update https://twitter.com/satoshi551/status/1711008330146078974
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Brut posted:https://twitter.com/SarahLovesSumo/status/1710825512946499699 Loving these different forms and techniques! Almost wish there was this much variation in the bashos!
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How often do rikishi get their height/weight updated? I'm doing a bit of data-crunching across sports right now and I'm noticing that my source (sumodb)rarely shows a change in weight. Shodai for example only has a single weight change in his Makuuchi run, enters at 150 kg in Hatsu 2016, and then is listed at 170 kg starting in Haru 2021.
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Iron Chef Nex posted:How often do rikishi get their height/weight updated? I'm doing a bit of data-crunching across sports right now and I'm noticing that my source (sumodb)rarely shows a change in weight. Shodai for example only has a single weight change in his Makuuchi run, enters at 150 kg in Hatsu 2016, and then is listed at 170 kg starting in Haru 2021. I think at least once a year but also whenever they have medical checkups (which might be more frequent? not sure), but I don't think sumodb pulls that data automatically, but rather requires manual update. For example Shodai is currently listed at 160kg, on June 2nd he was listed as 161kg, on March 19th he was listed as 160kg, on January 26th he was listed as 163kg, on September 12th 2022 he was listed as 162kg, etc. (Specific dates just because those were the snapshots available on wayback machine) Point is that SumoDB is not a reilable source for height/weight information, unfortunately.
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Brut posted:I think at least once a year but also whenever they have medical checkups (which might be more frequent? not sure), but I don't think sumodb pulls that data automatically, but rather requires manual update. Thanks for the quick answer!
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Iron Chef Nex posted:How often do rikishi get their height/weight updated? I'm doing a bit of data-crunching across sports right now and I'm noticing that my source (sumodb)rarely shows a change in weight. Shodai for example only has a single weight change in his Makuuchi run, enters at 150 kg in Hatsu 2016, and then is listed at 170 kg starting in Haru 2021. I think they actually measure in between all basho, but they don't update sumodb. Maybe the nsk site profiles update more regularly? https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ They have Shodai at 160 now and just randomly looking, they have Hokuseiho at 181 instead of the 164 sumodb has from 2021 which seems reasonable for a 19 year old bulking up. And even though he's only been here less than a year, it looks like Hakuoho has grown a couple cms and kgs. I don't see historical data though so it might just be a go forward thing unless you can find the data. I've seen threads on sumoforum talking about height/weight changes but that would require manually searching the threads and pulling from the text.
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https://twitter.com/IhPU9XwkBJ6TiEW/status/1713114476936114250 Woah, makuuchi shokkiri?
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It really felt like that kind of a fight. The telegraphed haymakers, the forklifting. Betcha Ura and Tamawashi grabbed lunch afterwards and used the kensho to pay.
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Lol https://bloodyelbow.com/2023/10/16/sumo-wrestlers-too-heavy-for-airplanes/ JAL had to spread Rikishi travelling to the exhibition events over multiple flights due to weight issues. Exhibition fights being like that are kind of expected. There was the Hak/Enho fight awhile back at one of these events where Hak did the big brother hand to the forehead push.
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While we count down the days to the November Banzuke, enjoy this advert for the rental apartments above Oshiogawa-beya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0MlaRLC-LM
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https://twitter.com/Hakkeyoi_Sumo/status/1716778902083846364 Kokonoe is the former Chiyotaikai. Remains to be seen if this is a case of sempai/kohai abuse, sponsor pressures, or just the guy sneaking out to pound brews with the boys.
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Apparently they'd already removed unsupervised minors from the Jungyo tour, but the rule allowed minors whose oyakata was on the tour (as was happening in this case) because their stablemaster would be there. Guess it didn't do much good!
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hello friends! i am venturing out of my comfort zone of the video games forum to join in on the sumo fun!! i never knew or watched a single thing about sumo until randomly catching a few videos out of the algorithm back in July, and was able to find a live stream of the basho on youtube around day 12 or 13. i had very little idea what was going on, but the streamer had some pretty decent commentary and i dug in to the wiki page and other videos learning about sumo. i was hooked! even just leaving the stream on in the background during the lower divisions is a great vibe, listening to the yobidashi singing and flipping over to it when the gyoji starts yelling. now after that basho and watching all of the september basho (and ruining my sleep schedule) i am a huge fan. my favorite rikishi is Hokutofuji!! stomp stomp!!! but i'm a big fan of Hoshoryu, Takayasu, Tobizaru, Atamifuji and can't wait for Hakuoho to be back. and let us not forget! IT'S NAOYA OR NEVER IT'S TIME TO GET THIS SHODE ON THE ROAD IT'S SHODIN' TIME SHOOOOOOODAAAAAIIII
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Kerrzhe posted:
Welcome to Meatland.
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Kerrzhe posted:now after that basho and watching all of the september basho (and ruining my sleep schedule) i am a huge fan. my favorite rikishi is Hokutofuji!! stomp stomp!!! but i'm a big fan of Hoshoryu, Takayasu, Tobizaru, Atamifuji and can't wait for Hakuoho to be back. This person gets it. Stomp stomp indeed, friend.
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Welcome, friend! Enjoy your stay, and...Kerrzhe posted:Takayasu ... we keep the alcohol on the top shelf -- It's best you know ahead of time where to drown your sorrows 
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Bentai posted:Kokonoe is the former Chiyotaikai. Remains to be seen if this is a case of sempai/kohai abuse, sponsor pressures, or just the guy sneaking out to pound brews with the boys. I would be extremely surprised if there weren't a bunch of the older guys dragging him out. The only thing I'm wondering is if it was "just" standard peer pressure/kid wanting to fit in and not knowing his limits or straight up frat house style hazing/forced binge drinking.
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https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnSumoDataRikishi/profile/4068/ It’s believed the wrestler was Chiyoshishi, and according to a yahoo Japan article that I’m still trying to find, his name has been removed from the Kokonoe list of wrestlers. So I assume he’s been not just suspended but shitcanned. https://x.com/sumofollower/status/1716879381476618669 Bentai fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Apparently Terunofuji has been doing practice bouts on the tour, so it seems like we'll have a full boat for November unless something bad happens. Bummer for me that he'll probably retire before I make it back to Japan for another tournament.
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https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202310250001383.html Deepl Translation: quote:Under-20 rikishi who had been drinking, cut his mage in shock at the words of the Kokonoe Oyakata. Chiyoshishi got pressured and then thrown under the bus. What an absolute poo poo situation.
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