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for all the "the palestinians CANNOT support hamas it's undermining their position" pearl clutching, then who else then. where's this idealized perfect liberation force you support in palestinian society
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ZShakespeare posted:There was a popular left wing resistance, and the oppressor put together an funded a right wing resistance (to the resistance) to destroy them, and then it blew back in their face. There's nothing complicated about this. We've seen it happen time after time. I beg of you to read a book. Fatah is not left wing or even popular
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Oct 10, 2023 17:02
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you can say israel tipped the scales in favour of hamas but they didn't "create" them
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I regret to say that I don't think the canada thread is going to be able to solve this international crisis. We'll get 'em next time.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:04
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Houle posted:Personally I believe that before the raid they were given drugs because as much as you try to demonize someone I can see it being really hard to kill someone close quarters. holy poo poo dude you're propagandizing yourself for free here
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Oct 10, 2023 17:05
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something enraging about talking about the moral culpability of palestinians when our governments and societies are funding and cheering on the people genociding them.
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Houle posted:I'm not saying how they could do that or why they would feel justified. I however don't think espousing the Code of Hammurabi as a reasonable opinion is cool or good. Personally I believe that before the raid they were given drugs because as much as you try to demonize someone I can see it being really hard to kill someone close quarters. Ok, but what you are implying is that one kind of killing, low tech killing, is gross caveman killing (perhaps you wanted the word primitive???), but, while not explicitly saying this, you are implying that killing people through industrial or technological means is more civilized. That is an extremely bad take.
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eXXon posted:I regret to say that I don't think the canada thread is going to be able to solve this international crisis. We'll get 'em next time. we solved ukraine, why can't we do the same to palestine
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Oct 10, 2023 17:07
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something about read -> comprehend.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hamas is not the citizens of Palestine and it doesn’t represent them. Israel sucks rear end and things are barrelling to just about the worst possible outcome as of now. yes they are they’re the loving government lmao
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Oct 10, 2023 17:12
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Houle posted:I'm not saying how they could do that or why they would feel justified. I however don't think espousing the Code of Hammurabi as a reasonable opinion is cool or good. Personally I believe that before the raid they were given drugs because as much as you try to demonize someone I can see it being really hard to kill someone close quarters. shut up you stupid bitch
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Oct 10, 2023 17:14
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why do Libs feel safe posting here lol
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Oh right, I forgot this was the thread for people that really want that “mostest leftist” award, my bad
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Please do the Canadian thing and just ignore the genocide until there are not enough Palestinians to fight back. Perhaps we can give Israel some tips on concentration camps- er I mean reserves. After a couple generations we can assist Israel in their own Truth and Reconciliation movement.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:23
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it's c-spam, brah
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oh right, I forgot this was the thread for people that really want that “mostest leftist” award, my bad shut up you stupid bitch
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it's me I'm the mostest leftist where's my parade
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oh right, I forgot this was the thread for people that really want that “mostest leftist” award, my bad You're literally posting about a make-believe version of middle east politics so that you can feel more comfortable. You are deconstructing reality and reconstructing it to fit what you think is correct.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oh right, I forgot this was the thread for people that really want that “mostest leftist” award, my bad stick to posting about anime and videogames you dumbass
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Haha IDF go boom
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OldAlias posted:why do Libs feel safe posting here lol 32.62% of canadian voters you mean?
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OldAlias posted:why do Libs feel safe posting here lol This is a welcoming safe space, except if you post badly.
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Arivia posted:32.62% of canadian voters you mean? 32% of 45% or whatever it is, truly a large number, truly also representative of most of society by socioeconomic status 60% of Canadians don’t vote because the options that are presented to them are poo poo. but thanks for demonstrating the attitude that will lead to Chyrstia Freeland being demolished just like her idol Ignatieff in the next election. being liberal means never having to promise anything better to people because you are absolutely sure you’re doing the right thing
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Isentropy posted:32% of 45% or whatever it is, truly a large number, truly also representative of most of society by socioeconomic status i'm not defending the libs i'm just pointing out that by definition yes they're gonna be posting in a canpol thread it's like asking why democrat voters post in american cspam threads
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Arivia posted:i'm not defending the libs i'm just pointing out that by definition yes they're gonna be posting in a canpol thread sorry for the friendly fire, and yes that’s a perfect analogy
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eXXon posted:I regret to say that I don't think the canada thread is going to be able to solve this international crisis. We'll get 'em next time. Come on, I didn't even get to make a lucy pulling the football meme yet!
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Isentropy posted:sorry for the friendly fire, and yes that’s a perfect analogy all good having worked with the liberals on a bill this government: they're poo poo and yes, your assessment about them being full of themselves is absolutely accurate
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hamas is not the citizens of Palestine and it doesn’t represent them. Israel sucks rear end and things are barrelling to just about the worst possible outcome as of now. I realize you are a racist shithead and there's no point replying but during the last democratic election Israel allowed Palestine to hold, Hamas were the victors. So yes if you are looking for the group that has the most legitimate claim of representing Palestine then Hamas is it.
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Virtual Russian posted:Ok, but what you are implying is that one kind of killing, low tech killing, is gross caveman killing (perhaps you wanted the word primitive???), but, while not explicitly saying this, you are implying that killing people through industrial or technological means is more civilized. That is an extremely bad take. Where did I say I'm okay with high tech murder? I said that if someone who is in the army is killed I'm less horrified than when someone who is dancing unarmed. And no. I meant caveman. It may be a bullet and a pick up truck now but they basically bonked women on the head and dragged them by the hair to their bunker. I'm not sure if you are trying to drive some sort of racial bias or slur out of my use. I tried to head that off by also calling Western tropes cavemen too but alas.
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CLAM DOWN posted:shut up you stupid bitch That is enough cocaine for you good sir.
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Houle posted:Where did I say I'm okay with high tech murder? I said that if someone who is in the army is killed I'm less horrified than when someone who is dancing unarmed. Is it just a coincidence that the only person I've ever known with the name Houle irl was one of the biggest pieces of garbage I've ever met or is there some kind of pattern I'm missing?
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FormaldehydeSon posted:Is it just a coincidence that the only person I've ever known with the name Houle irl was one of the biggest pieces of garbage I've ever met or is there some kind of pattern I'm missing? I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by saying rape and murder are bad things and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not sure what I am missing that's so radical or controversial....
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Houle posted:Where did I say I'm okay with high tech murder? I said that if someone who is in the army is killed I'm less horrified than when someone who is dancing unarmed. You are literally calling them primitives. You can't just toss in a "hey I also called some westerners this insanely regressive colonial trope too" and make it ok. Like, imagine for a minute some indigenous people here in Canada did something you didn't like, and then you called them a bunch of savages, but also said the RCMP could at times also maybe be called savage. Can you see how maybe people might not buy the idea that you aren't saying really racist stuff? "Hey I also called some westerners cavemen" isn't the defense you think it is.
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Houle posted:I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by saying rape and murder are bad things and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not sure what I am missing that's so radical or controversial.... i wouldn't wish your horrifically lovely posts on anyone
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Houle posted:I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by saying rape and murder are bad things and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not sure what I am missing that's so radical or controversial.... This isn't the part of what you said that is controversial and you know it.
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Virtual Russian posted:You are literally calling them primitives. You can't just toss in a "hey I also called some westerners this insanely regressive colonial trope too" and make it ok. Like, imagine for a minute some indigenous people here in Canada did something you didn't like, and then you called them a bunch of savages, but also said the RCMP could at times also maybe be called savage. Can you see how maybe people might not buy the idea that you aren't saying really racist stuff? If there's baggage on that, sure, I'll admit ignorance and say that is no excuse and I could choose my words more wisely in the future. I appreciate you taking the time to explain this rationale to me as I am struggling with the strong emotional response to seeing humans get murdered. Including the Palestinians who are being indiscriminately bombed to oblivion right now. Not sure how to describe a catch-all term for when armies go off on civilians. If there is already one I'd appreciate that since I am attempting to argue in good faith even if it is coming across as not. And I feel like you are giving a lot of room under the umbrella of "something I don't like". I am kind of frightened of the type of someone who'd see someone get raped and think good they deserve it cause their government or religion or ethnicity is bad. Unless I am reading a lot of posts wrong is the feeling I'm getting with a lot of people here. HOWEVER I will acknowledge the hypocrisy of being less disturbed when it is a soldier being killed but there's only so much I can grasp at once.
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FormaldehydeSon posted:I realize you are a racist shithead and there's no point replying but during the last democratic election Israel allowed Palestine to hold, Hamas were the victors. So yes if you are looking for the group that has the most legitimate claim of representing Palestine then Hamas is it. Palestine cannot have legitimate elections because they are denied statehood by the oppressor so that the oppressor can continue to claim that Hamas is not the legitimate leadership of Palestine. it’s another tactic of oppression that libs love to bring up. if they are a state which can have legitimate elections than Israel is invading and occupying another state illegally (they are)
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Houle posted:Not sure how to describe a catch-all term for when armies go off on civilians. war? invasion? this tends to happen whenever armies get involved especially when there is no defending army or it gets routed. however i don't know much about any ancient poo poo so maybe it hasn't anyways been the case
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Cerepol posted:war? invasion? this tends to happen whenever armies get involved especially when there is no defending army or it gets routed. however i don't know much about any ancient poo poo so maybe it hasn't anyways been the case Seeing as how the Roman foundation stories often cover in passing the rape of Sabine I think you may be more correct in that than my assumption of there being any sort of rules of engagement that is followed by a disciplined group. At the end of the day it is butchery of another human being and cutting a life short. Looking back I'm rather disgusted by how idolized the Romans were when half their stories are about murdering and raping but dressed up as just integrating. Granted that is likely on purpose seeing that is every colonial power.
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Houle posted:If there's baggage on that, sure, I'll admit ignorance and say that is no excuse and I could choose my words more wisely in the future. I appreciate you taking the time to explain this rationale to me as I am struggling with the strong emotional response to seeing humans get murdered. Including the Palestinians who are being indiscriminately bombed to oblivion right now. No one is cheering on Hamas. I think what people are saying is that while it is despicable to target civilians, you can understand how someone that grew up constantly being bombed, being denied medical care, especially during covid (it still isn't known how bad covid got in Gaza, but without proper medical facilities it was likely awful), and having your extended family killed one by one all your life is going to result in stuff like this. No one needs drugs or a caveman mindset to do this stuff. You just need to hate and to not see any other options. People backed into a corner are going to lash out. This is by design, our media doesn't report on the daily toll the siege of Gaza takes on the Palestinian people, but then it is going to push videos of the worst extremes of Hamas everywhere to ensure you have a very strong emotional reaction. Way back, I helped organize raising funds for the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. I felt great about that, we got lots of money together for medical supplies, construction supplies, tons of peaceful and productive aid for a city under siege. I then watched on a live stream as Israeli special forces attacked in the night, murdering people on a hit list (for real, a hit list was recovered off a captured IDF, many of the people on that list got shot that night), as well as murdering journalists taking the video. They deliberately destroyed all the medical aid by leaving it in the sun in view of Palestinians, just depraved poo poo. I say this because it highlights why we got here. Peaceful resistance has been tried, we tried to send aid. Israel deliberately wants this level of desperation because it does make the Palestinians look bad to westerners. We never see what the IDF does, we only see highlights of the worst things Hamas does. Also, for your mental health, don't watch those videos. Nothing good can come of it.
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