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Rusty does deserve some credit, because even though he’s a terrible father and a lovely person, he’s infinitely better on both accounts than Jonas Sr. ever was and actually improved some! And his “Team Venture” is infinitely less psychotic than the original. I think the biggest difference is that Rusty actually wants to be a good person, deep down, he just has no idea what that means.
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DoctorWhat posted:The VBism I use most often in daily life is "are these they?"
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Oct 10, 2023 20:34
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I'm sure Jonas had blackmail on everyone because he's Jonas but I don't see much of a reason why he needs it for Team Venture proper. I think the only time they show them disagreeing with Jonas is when he made Venturion. Hell, Action Man openly admits to loving anything with tits and Colonel Gentleman admits to loving anything. They also show the Action Man being completely unhinged when fighting and Gentleman is barely more controlled so what blackmail could you even have on them?
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Oct 10, 2023 20:36
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limp_cheese posted:I'm sure Jonas had blackmail on everyone because he's Jonas but I don't see much of a reason why he needs it for Team Venture proper. I think the only time they show them disagreeing with Jonas is when he made Venturion. Well, how else do you think he gained their unquestioning loyalty? Blackmail all the way down.
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Oct 10, 2023 20:51
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I also owe this series for getting me into Yaz and Crash Test Dummies. Dummies especially have a wonderful collection of music that is underappreciated relative to their one hit wonder status and Yaz is seemingly having a bit of a renaissance lately, I hear them in a lot of commercials/tv shows
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Oct 10, 2023 20:57
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feedmyleg posted:Well, how else do you think he gained their unquestioning loyalty? Blackmail all the way down. I figured it was showing them they can exist as basically gods that face no consequences regardless of their behavior while the entire world celebrates them. Basically any problem you have Jonas can science away so you can continue living the good life. That probably instills a strong sense of loyalty.
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Oct 10, 2023 21:08
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I just rewatched Operation: PROM last night, and I think out of the entire show I miss Gary the most. Him breaking down in Orpheus’ arms when he realizes Orpheus can’t see 24 was rough.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:08
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I also owe this series for getting me into Yaz and Crash Test Dummies. For a second I thought you said Yes and I got excited since I did a ton of drugs and listened to a lot of Yes in college. And no, I'm not that old, I just went to a hippie college. It was an awesome moment when he brought out his crate of prog rock vinyl for Dean. I had such a smile on my face.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:39
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pnumoman posted:For a second I thought you said Yes and I got excited since I did a ton of drugs and listened to a lot of Yes in college. And no, I'm not that old, I just went to a hippie college. Yes and Bowie were firmly in my repertoire before venture but I did love all the references and trying to figure out which songs were being referenced in that episode (machine messiah for sure for that sequence)
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Oct 10, 2023 23:41
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Kurgarra Queen posted:Rusty does deserve some credit, because even though he’s a terrible father and a lovely person, he’s infinitely better on both accounts than Jonas Sr. ever was and actually improved some! And his “Team Venture” is infinitely less psychotic than the original. Rusty is the least worst dad Orpheus is the best 
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Oct 10, 2023 23:58
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Yes and Bowie were firmly in my repertoire before venture but I did love all the references and trying to figure out which songs were being referenced in that episode (machine messiah for sure for that sequence) Yeah, the show's many music references are kinda intimidating just in terms of sheer volume but really fun to explore.
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Oct 11, 2023 00:12
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pnumoman posted:Yeah, the show's many music references are kinda intimidating just in terms of sheer volume but really fun to explore. If you were a goth/larp nerd in the late 1990s, the music and discussion of music on the show is as hilarious and clever as its comic book references. It's like the people you partied with in college went off to make a show. I loved it for that - the show itself was such a love-letter to things I loved.
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Oct 11, 2023 00:36
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Just remembered doc's "Ladysmith Black Mambazo!" exclamation
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Just remembered doc's "Ladysmith Black Mambazo!" exclamation Jesus JONES
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Kesper North posted:Jesus JONES We all thought they was going to be the future of rock and roll.
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Oct 11, 2023 00:58
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Sounds great! Are they still around?
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Happy Landfill posted:Rusty is the least worst dad Orpheus's daughter was irrationally terrified of the closet her entire life because it was the secret gateway to The Master's lair, and when she confronted him about it he cast a sleep spell on her.
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Oct 11, 2023 01:57
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I can't even see a pudding cup without thinking "you may enjoy the contents of one of them."
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Oct 11, 2023 01:59
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Phenotype posted:Orpheus's daughter was irrationally terrified of the closet her entire life because it was the secret gateway to The Master's lair, and when she confronted him about it he cast a sleep spell on her. Look, im just saying the bar is like, at ground level here
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Oct 11, 2023 02:04
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Phenotype posted:Orpheus's daughter was irrationally terrified of the closet her entire life because it was the secret gateway to The Master's lair, and when she confronted him about it he cast a sleep spell on her. Don't forget wiping her memory a bunch!
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Oct 11, 2023 04:34
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The remote has vanished from the material sphere!
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Oct 11, 2023 05:14
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I made pizza rolls!
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Kurgarra Queen posted:I think the biggest difference is that Rusty actually wants to be a good person, deep down, he just has no idea what that means. That's the core of it, along with the rest of his approach to life. He imprinted on utterly horrible role models and still isn't able to understand why their approach doesn't work. And his attitude is hardly an outlier in the world he lives in. But he lacks the sociopathy or narcissism of his father or many of his peers.
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Oct 11, 2023 07:58
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Kurgarra Queen posted:I think the biggest difference is that Rusty actually wants to be a good person, deep down, he just has no idea what that means. I mean, they did a whole episode where he's on the cusp of becoming a supervillain but opts out because while Doc isn't a good person, he doesn't want to be a bad one.
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Oct 11, 2023 10:11
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Skippy McPants posted:I mean, they did a whole episode where he's on the cusp of becoming a supervillain but opts out because while Doc isn't a good person, he doesn't want to be a bad one. That's often pointed to as a turning point for Rusty, too, that so much of his behaviour is indistinguishable from supervillainy in the first place but he hadn't realised it. The while thing with JJ is probably also illustrative there, and with the implication JJ goes from murderous jealousy of Rusty to dismissive one-upmanship, and then rather implied to be pity when he realises how easily he wildly surpassed his brother, as well as how ridiculous the hero-villain games really are and what it's like to deal with that poo poo literally your entire life. Rusty would rather be bad at being a hero than good at being a villain.
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My read of JJ was that he believed Rusty was a great superscientist who has the right "stuff", and he believes that Rusty just keeps getting distracted by the protagonist game. He does give Rusty the deflector shield project after all, and Rusty manages to deliver it despite a lot of insane mishaps (in an honestly fantastic episode). It's unclear how JJ managed to steer clear of the guild so well. Bribes, I guess? Maybe the Captain dealt with the palm-greasing
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Kurgarra Queen posted:Rusty does deserve some credit, because even though he’s a terrible father and a lovely person, he’s infinitely better on both accounts than Jonas Sr. ever was and actually improved some! And his “Team Venture” is infinitely less psychotic than the original. Did he ever address Hank's feelings of not being his favorite? What was the end of Hank's story I the movie anyway? Last thing he did I think was watching his dad get pantsed and Monarch yelling and he kinda waved his arms and backed away? I thought they were gong to do a beat where you see him appreciate his "found" family.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's often pointed to as a turning point for Rusty, too, that so much of his behaviour is indistinguishable from supervillainy in the first place but he hadn't realised it. The while thing with JJ is probably also illustrative there, and with the implication JJ goes from murderous jealousy of Rusty to dismissive one-upmanship, and then rather implied to be pity when he realises how easily he wildly surpassed his brother, as well as how ridiculous the hero-villain games really are and what it's like to deal with that poo poo literally your entire life. Rusty would rather be bad at being a hero than good at being a villain. Man jj only had like a year or less of proper living and being an uncle to the boys before dying. That's harsh as he does seem like a good guy.
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QuarkJets posted:My read of JJ was that he believed Rusty was a great superscientist who has the right "stuff", and he believes that Rusty just keeps getting distracted by the protagonist game. He does give Rusty the deflector shield project after all, and Rusty manages to deliver it despite a lot of insane mishaps (in an honestly fantastic episode). I would say Rusty is a competant super scientist since we see him develop a few things on his own that seem to work, or at the very least is able to maintain his dad's old poo poo which can't be easy. He just can't shake off the unending trauma of growing up as Jonas's son and having his poo poo constantly wrecked by costumed assholes. I also assume JJ has been having costumed assholes gently caress with him too but probably just kills them without a second thought or even realizing they are Guild guys until the Guild just stops sending its members to die. Hell, he might have a security system that is worth a drat so they die before JJ even interacts with them. Its not like the Guild could do much against what is probably the smartest and richest man in the world who is also hyper competent and beloved. From what we see JJ IS everything Jonas claimed to be without the endless parade of hosed up horrors Jonas kept from the public eye.
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I think David Bowie must have been a terrible leader the guild seems to have a better past and the new council seems way more on the ball.
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Rusty was an amazing super scientists. It's just that all his science was supervillain poo poo. Clones, zombies, walking eye, orphan-powered joy can...
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LividLiquid posted:Rusty was an amazing super scientists. It's just that all his science was supervillain poo poo. Ooo ray, if we are treating the pilot as canon
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LividLiquid posted:Rusty was an amazing super scientists. It's just that all his science was supervillain poo poo. Hell, his ray shield made superhuman mutants who were poised to take over the world.
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Orange suit solidarity
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Am I a...bad person, Brock? What the hell happened here?! AM I?! ...Ehhhhhh... The Killenger episode was pretty much Rusty's entire deal laid bare.
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AlternateNu posted:Am I a...bad person, Brock? I have quite an affinity for that scene. To me, that was a point in Rusty's life where we got to see the core differences between him and Jonas. Jonas absolutely would not have needed Killinger. But let's say he did because the whole HELPeR thing wiped him out. Would he hesitate to take a hard heel turn? I doubt it, especially if money, fame, and hedonism were part of his payment. Rusty was fine with everything based on the sudden success he was witnessing, but once it was made clear to him exactly what he was doing, he had a crisis of conscious that Jonas would never have had. I think everyone (including me) focuses on the whole "Am I a bad person?" line, and it's a great one. But the important part of the scene is right before that, when the Venchmen leave and Brock asks if Doc is OK. Brock: Doc, you OK? Doc: I... I don't know. I... he... he thinks I'm a... Brock, am I a... bad person? I love the subtle, but perceptible, emphasis on the word "bad." But it's the stammering right before it that adds the emotional punch the scene needs in order to be something besides a standard "Are we the baddies?" joke. I'm not going to suggest that he cleans up his act and flies straight after that ordeal, but it's a small moment that lets us know that he's not 100% jackass. He doesn't want to be bad, and when it's pointed out to him that he might be, he's shaken. And in typical VB fashion, there's a last-second punchline to break the tension: "heh heh, you said it, killer. And you can read more about it in the Bible!"
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Mr. Lobe posted:Ooo ray, if we are treating the pilot as canon What are you talking about? It's a ray that can melt cities; how can that be used for evil?
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tarlibone posted:Jonas absolutely would not have needed Killinger. But let's say he did because the whole HELPeR thing wiped him out. Would he hesitate to take a hard heel turn? I doubt it, especially if money, fame, and hedonism were part of his payment. Rusty was fine with everything based on the sudden success he was witnessing, but once it was made clear to him exactly what he was doing, he had a crisis of conscious that Jonas would never have had. The Ventures are a very real and relatable story of family trauma and how healing it is often a generational project. Being good is out of Doc's reach, but he's a lot less lovely than Jonas, and as a result, he's given Dean a chance to be less lovely than either of them. As for Hank, he'll be fine. That kid's a superstar.
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EDIT thought you said Dean will be a superstar! I'm still worried about that kid
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Just a random thought, but I decided I like the idea that Scare Bear is Brock's brother. They mentioned he has one a long time ago, but never did anything with that. The early episodes depict Brock as a murderous psychopath who happens to work for the good guys. He had the OSI to train him and focus his rage towards a purpose. What if his brother had the same mental instabilities but no one to help him, so he became a serial killer. Scare Bear has a large frame and a knife "superpower," similar to Brock. Also an inexplicable interest in Hank and Dean's wellbeing. Perhaps because he knows his brother considers them family, so maybe he does as well?
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