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BlazetheInferno posted:This is just another one of those situations where I'd love to take a character from the game, and sit them down in front of the game itself just to see how they'd react to it (and how they'd play).
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Oct 10, 2023 22:11
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FoolyCharged posted:I'll be honest, my reaction to "why don't the protoss do this? What a bunch of idiots!" was to immediately assume the terrains were doing something stupidly dangerous and prone to exploding because there was a reason the protoss don't do that. It definitely read like hubris yeah.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:58
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Poil posted:He'd need to snort a big load of solarite to deal with that. He's all about that Solarite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sdWlqkrTd8 Koorisch fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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Oct 10, 2023 23:35
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I'll note I would similarly love to sit Tychus, or hell, just about any notable character down for the same treatment, just get them to play through the campaign, check out conversations and stuff, just overall see how they react to the player's Fuller Perspective of what's going on. Let Tychus see how many parts of his situation Jim can discover without putting it all together, or watch him set the difficulty down to Casual for the Odin missions purely so the big lad can stomp around and have his fun. Maybe Tosh gets curious and checks out what would have happened if Raynor had fallen for Nova's lies? Stetmann gets horrible Decision Paralysis on the research options. Swann gets sad at having to choose between all the neat armory upgrades, rolls his eyes when he sees the unit reward for going to the Colonel Orlan mission.
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Oct 11, 2023 01:50
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Cythereal posted:Back when I'd heard that the SC2 campaign would include campaign-only upgrades, I thought Raynor's Raiders were going to turn into a Terran/Protoss hybrid race due to Raynor being buddies with them. Teenage me was imagining poo poo like vultures firing reaver scarabs, battlecruisers with interceptors riding wingmate, and ghosts with psi storm. See, this. SC1 had convincingly set up three hybrid races, to double the number of armies in the game. Raynor could be a Protoss/Terran hybrid and the 'standard' Terran could be the kel-morian combine or something. There was also a convincing Terran/Zerg (Stukov faction) and Zerg/Protoss (Duran faction, aka the hybrids). High school me was convinced this was intentional and SC2 was totally going to do this. Actiblizz of 2009 either didn't see the possibility or just noped out.
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Oct 11, 2023 03:28
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Four if you include the UED given that they broadcast their success home at the end of their campaign. They don't have an overmind or presence in the sector anymore, but they were an already existing zerg/Terran hybrid faction that might come back looking to reclaim that.
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Oct 11, 2023 04:40
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FoolyCharged posted:I'll be honest, my reaction to "why don't the protoss do this? What a bunch of idiots!" was to immediately assume the terrains were doing something stupidly dangerous and prone to exploding because there was a reason the protoss don't do that. "Don't just warp vespene gas. We learned that the hard way on Tranecus IV." "Where's Tranecus IV? I've never even heard of the Tranecus system..." "... And that would be why."
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Oct 11, 2023 11:10
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BisbyWorl posted:Noted, went back and fixed it. I'd love to have a quick skirmish race overview after the campaign, just to provide a comparison of "this is what units this race has in skirmish right now and how it plays" against the campaign units. Or, in case of WoL, just the old units versus new units. I recently tried to catch up on skirmish for version 5.whatever after last playing in WoL and 
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Oct 11, 2023 12:33
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Hell, there was a new big balance patch just this last month. We still don't know how the meta is shaking out for that yet. All I know is the changes to Cyclones and Banelings are controversial.
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Oct 11, 2023 12:52
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They could have just connected the command center to the vespene with a hose.
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Oct 11, 2023 14:22
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Poil posted:They could have just connected the command center to the vespene with a hose. Why the Terrans have never thought to transport vespene in this fashion is a mystery. Perhaps they lack Goon creativity and pragmatism, or possibly their primitive superstitions forbid the practice.
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Oct 11, 2023 14:25
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just build a big fan in the ground
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Oct 11, 2023 14:25
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It's probably worth noting that both of the other campaigns have their equivalent of the Automated Refinery as an available upgrade, so I guess the Protoss actually can figure out how to warp that vespene. Just needs solarite I suppose.
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Tenebrais posted:I guess the Protoss actually can figure out how to warp that vespene. Just needs solarite I suppose. 
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Oct 11, 2023 18:36
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Okay I think you're all getting a bit too ahead of yourselves. You can meme about solarite to your hearts content once we actually hit LotV.
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BisbyWorl posted:Okay I think you're all getting a bit too ahead of yourselves. Quoting for posterity.
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Oct 11, 2023 19:01
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can i meme about they gave a protoss a loving neckbeard
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Oct 11, 2023 19:09
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if a zerg can have stiletto heels, it's only fair for a protoss to have neckbeards
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yeah these are called septenary sexual characteristics
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Regalingualius posted:M’carrier M'Khala "In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any wretched Khala's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence." - A'alewis
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CommissarMega posted:M'Khala I was 
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Oct 11, 2023 21:59
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When you were expansion harassing, I studied the psi-blade. When you were probe scouting, I mastered the khala. While you wasted your days building additional pylons in pursuit of vanity, I cultivated inner cloaking. And now that Mar Sara is on fire and the Zerg hybrids are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for help.
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Artifact 3: The Mobius Factor Video: The Mobius Factor  Haven gets to survive another day.  And the illusive Dr. Narud we've heard about finally makes an appearance. Narud. Emil Narud. Absolutely zero relation to Samir Duran, creator of the Hybrid. Trust me on this, my good friends Spider and Commander Redips can back me up.       Hey, you know how Mengsk is treated as a major antagonist, despite barely appearing in the story?  Well now Kerrigan gets her time in the spotlight.  Kerrigan...     Unlike the Hybrid from last time, which at least had a health bar even if you couldn't hurt it, Kerrigan is flat out untargetable here.  She'll slowly work her way over to a Data Core, which I have to take down before she can reach it.  However, she doesn't have a full map of the city, so she can't just directly head to a Data Core. Instead she'll stop and check every building in her path.  Medivacs are a combination Medic and Dropship.    A unlisted side objective for this mission is to save a bunch of Mobius troops scattered across the map. To sweeten the deal, all of them are Mercs.  Also pretty much all of them are on high ground with no low ground access, so you're forced to use your shiny new Medivacs to pick them up.  And Kerrigan starts her tour of the city. At a glance, 8 minutes is a decently tight time limit.  Except those Mercs by the Data Core are more than enough to deal it.  Since they're on the high ground, I'm completely safe from everything except Mutalisks.  While they're at it, I get started on the only time I'll ever use a Hercules.  A Nydus pops up once the Data Core gets low.  But again, high ground. All this does is really insist that you perch up top instead of trying to push your way over with a normal army.   Of course! The Mobius data cores! You won't get the rest of them! Ah hell. At least she doesn't know where to find the other cores. We better get to the next one, fast! Taking out the first Data Core adds on an extra 10 minutes to the timer, as Kerrigan has to cross more distance and search more buildings to reach the second. The time limit is really only a factor until you get that initial boost, 16 minutes is more than enough time to build up an army.  God I love Tech Reactors.  This is the third time I've had to fight a Brutalisk as a bonus objective.  Occasionally a Nydus will pop out just outside my base to keep me from just turtling up here while I send out dropships.  It doesn't help that there's two Spine Crawlers guarding the first one.   Behold: The only two Hercules I'll make in Wings.  Granted, that's because I won't need more. 6 Marines, 6 Marauders, 3 Medics, and a Goliath-  Doesn't even fill up a single Hercules. I'd need 3 Medivacs to fit that many units.  I sit around for a while longer to get two Science Vessels out for repairs.  As soon as I start moving to the next Data Core some more Mobius troops chime in.  Eh, free 4 supply of dudes. You can also see how this map forces drop play. While I could just make an army and walk to the end, the path is a bunch of slim roads packed with wandering defenders. Even if I did decide to brute force it, after a point Kerrigan will push far enough that any reinforcements I send out would have to slip by her.  The expansion is right next to the second Core. I'm not grabbing it. Much like Welcome to the Jungle, the mission is so fast that between having to wait for the Creep to recede and the time/money needed to get a CC and defenses up and running, it's better to just put the money towards a bigger army and win the mission.  I start deploying at 10:51.  Five seconds later, and my army is out. There's a few guys stuck in one Hercules, but that's because there's not enough open space nearby.    Just like the last one, Nydus Worms start popping up once the Core gets low.   Whatever they are, Kerrigan - I sure as hell ain't letting you have 'em. That Queen of Blades really is quite a nuisance, isn't she?And I grab those free guys before I head back to base.  Destroying the second Data Core gives me another 8 minutes. I'm only stopping here to pick up units that have been cooking while I was away.  This mission would probably be a fair bit more tense if Kerrigan didn't spend two and a half minutes vibrating every building she comes across.  Kerrigan can, and will, attack you if you run into her while she's between buildings, but once she's channeling she's 100% harmless. Which is not a sentence I should ever be able to say. "Sarah 'Queen Bitch of the Universe' Kerrigan" and "harmless" do not go together.  There is a Brutalisk.  There is no longer a Brutalisk.  Now, I could go rush the objective from here, but there's a few more Mobius guys I need to find.  Although I spend some time to hit a few defenses.  There's a really obvious tag on the ground to show where one group is.  And they're right next to the final group. Seven War Pigs and a Spartan Company in total.  Sadly I just hit the limit on my Hercules, so some of them will have to rot.  Now I can finish things.  All in all, The Mobius Factor is disappointing as a mission.  I mean, like, Sarah loving Kerrigan is here! In person!  The Queen Bitch of the Universe herself!  Use her as more than a loving mission timer! She's not even a threatening one! She still has half the drat map to cross before I even get close to losing!  Also the Worms start popping out really early for the final Data Core, but when my army is this big I can just... blitz it down long before they can start spawning units.    I'm sure the good doctor isn't leading Raynor to the artifacts specifically so he can kill Kerrigan and remove the one threat to the Hybrid Apocalypse. That would be just silly!    Contract Saviors - Complete "The Moebius Factor" mission by training only SCVs, Medivacs, and Mercenaries on Normal difficulty. 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Ooooof, that mission is one huge nothing. It looks like it would be pretty easy even if you did it as soon as you possibly could! Kerrigan just takes a damned eternity to do anything and spends a bunch of time... channeling? God, I hate this game sometimes!
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Rank: Queen of Blades Kills: 0 Somehow, I doubt that.
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Shastahanshah posted:Rank: Queen of Blades confirmed: Kerrigan did nothing wrong
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I am a simple man of simple tastes. My favorite kind of mission in an RTS like this is where there is a crap-ton of enemies on the map, and you win when there are zero. So it breaks my heart to see missions like this predicated on leaving parts of the map alone, especially by simple additions like invincible/infinite enemies, or a not-generous-enough timer. And this looks like it has both. gently caress you Blizzard.
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Poil posted:Maybe it's Mobious that handles everything Tychus, including monitoring (if they even bother), and they probably don't give the tiniest poo poo about what he does unless it were to go against THEIR plans. As we've now met Mr Emil "totally not Samir Duran the Xel'naga" Narud, I think this post is correct. Mengsk thinks Tychus is his spy in the Raiders. Tychus thinks Mengsk is his boss. But everything goes through Moebius, so Duran is the one actually calling the shots. E: IIRC, Raynor had zero interactions with Duran back in Brood War so it's not like he could possibly know or realize any of this. Omobono fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Ah yes, Mr. Raynor, you and your sterling career as a Marshal all those years ago... those four years ago. I know it's just harping on it at this point but even the little throwaway lines feel like they were written for a story where at absolute minimum the ~12 real years between game releases was also the time span that passed in-universe. And yeah this mission was a big nothing. Even without the Hercules, you just build a few extra Medivacs and do the same things.
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Omobono posted:E: IIRC, Raynor had zero interactions with Duran back in Brood War so it's not like he could possibly know or realize any of this. Yeah, but even if no one in the main cast knows it's just insulting that Blizzard went for something as low effort as the ol' 'just flip their name bro' plan. Especially for someone who's been working towards this for god knows how long.
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BisbyWorl posted:Yeah, but even if no one in the main cast knows it's just insulting that Blizzard went for something as low effort as the ol' 'just flip their name bro' plan. Especially for someone who's been working towards this for god knows how long. Were we players not supposed to realize Narud is Duran? I tend to treat the ol' Alucard flip as a strictly meta thing*, a way to tell the viewers this guy is the villain in disguise without actually making the disguise faulty in-universe. *unless it's literally Dracula/Alucard, nobody gets any excuse for that one
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Kerrigan really busting out the "Oh, I'll never tell~" in this mission, huh. Just say it, Kerrigan! Say who he is and what the artifacts do! Save us from the rest of this plot, please!
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Hercules's carrying capacity and drop speed is ridiculous, and if there were more maps for drop play, it would be awesome unit. But we just won the one mandatory drop play map and that's it.
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Omobono posted:Mengsk thinks Tychus is his spy in the Raiders. Tychus thinks Mengsk is his boss. But everything goes through Moebius, so Duran is the one actually calling the shots. i am going to remember this post for a very non-specific reason Also it's very funny how, once again, the "Featured Unit" mission design gets dumped on its rear end because there's something better available.
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The Hercules also has the advantage of having a great voice actor with great delivery, which makes it more of a shame it's on a unit you can completely miss.
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I never got that Narud = Duran when I first played. Either I wasn't really paying attention or I assumed that'd be way too clever for their level of writing.
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I dunno, we all hated it when we kept killing Maar over and over, now we hate it when we can't fight Kerrigan directly...
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