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Quackles posted:Wait, what's this about power creep? She used to barely edge out most enemies clash-wise but starting in S2 enemy numbers nudged up a bit to the point where she's outgunned a lot of the time, and she doesn't really have the bulk to take a hit at all. 7 Faust and UT4 L Faust both clash better and supply Fluid Sac. On top of that early Canto 4 enemies gun for her weaknesses and she dies when anything looks at her funny. in S1 she had no real downsides and was on every single team fluid sac or no so she still had her time in the sun. e: This is subjective but for me generally what defines a good ID is coin strength and number(if these are bad then they better do something amazing or be super bulky to make up for it), self-sufficiency(how well they can manage if you shove them into any random team comp) teamwork(how much they add/excel in their specific gimmick team if applicable), EGO(how much they synergize with their own EGO, whether that's fueling them or taking advantage of their effects), and most importantly how cool they are. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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N Faust is really good still, in a full N Corp team, but as far as generic use goes she no longer can protect herself well enough to be worth it most of the time.
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Oct 9, 2023 01:16
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Yeah, that's mostly what I meant. NFaust probably provided a lot of support for my blunt/pierce dps, but in the end 7Faust has better sins for the EGO I use and better clashing, and she's more useful at my hardest fights (Fox and Lantern). It doesn't help she got no meaningful buffs from UT4 due to being good. Most notably her S3 being one of the worst in the game (like, 12 max potency? Needs 2 turbs of Nails for a 50% boost to the 3rd coin?)
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Oct 9, 2023 09:46
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Oct 9, 2023 17:37
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Oct 9, 2023 17:45
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I can't believe Mr. Revenge Himself connects so well with The Karma Abnormality But seriously this just looks crazy good
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Oct 9, 2023 17:54
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Also, guaranteed SP restore for 4 allies. Unless the numbers are stupidly low, this is a pretty powerful EGO.
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Oct 9, 2023 17:54
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They are trying to give us viable alternatives to Pursuance and Fluid Sac, though Fluid Sac does have the bonus of doing both at the same time.
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Oct 9, 2023 18:16
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So question, of all the out of all the non-000 Ids, which is the second best at clashing (LCR Faust stands alone)? I've been runing Talisman Sinclair in my second free starting slot for MD2H but I'd like to see if I can replace him with someone better.
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Oct 9, 2023 18:33
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If you care only about clashing then Sloshmael has S1-10, S2-13 and S3-22 clashing power. 
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Oct 9, 2023 18:39
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Shi Don has an LBFaust level S3 (albeit only one coin) and a great passive if using any other slash IDs. 7Ryoshu has a worse S3 in exchabge for a really good S2. I usually go for them if not using a 000 id for those two.
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Oct 9, 2023 18:48
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Shi Don has an LBFaust level S3 (albeit only one coin) and a great passive if using any other slash IDs. 7Ryoshu has a worse S3 in exchabge for a really good S2. I usually go for them if not using a 000 id for those two. I'm runnging W Corp for both, so those two are out.
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Aumanor posted:So question, of all the out of all the non-000 Ids, which is the second best at clashing (LCR Faust stands alone)? I've been runing Talisman Sinclair in my second free starting slot for MD2H but I'd like to see if I can replace him with someone better. Molar Yi Sang and Kleinhammer Heathcliff (if in an N Corp team), I think. Lt. Lizard posted:If you care only about clashing then Sloshmael has S1-10, S2-13 and S3-22 clashing power. The average is about ~11, ~16, and ~19 so she's kinda eh anyways.
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Oct 9, 2023 19:11
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Aumanor posted:I'm runnging W Corp for both, so those two are out.
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Yeah G Outis is a decent One Coin Hero though getting her going can be an issue if her rolls aren't cooperating. But if you just need someone to win clashes you could do worse. W Hong is just okay clash-wise but his shields make him a bit more sturdy overall so he can take some lumps
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Yinlock posted:Yeah G Outis is a decent One Coin Hero though getting her going can be an issue if her rolls aren't cooperating. But if you just need someone to win clashes you could do worse.
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Yinlock posted:Yeah G Outis is a decent One Coin Hero though getting her going can be an issue if her rolls aren't cooperating. But if you just need someone to win clashes you could do worse. yeah i'm very happy with Wong Lu given my already somewhat chargey team
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I just started RR2, and I'm wondering if I'm missing something with the Fox. It seems like it stacks enough protection on the first two turns that you aren't expected to deal much damage, then has one turn in which it gets enough counters that you're not supposed to attack it at all, then a single turn in which it gets a few stacks of fragility, before repeating the cycle Are you supposed to try to keep the rupture up? Are you supposed to use a bleed build? It had enough health that even with a decent burst set up, I only got it down to 40% health, and it seems like you're supposed to be able to take these bosses down in one cycle
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Oct 10, 2023 22:40
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you're supposed to do as much damage hitting its weaknesses before the umbrellas spawn, nuke the umbrellas down and those will provide a stacking rupture debuff. It's not a great fight.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:you're supposed to do as much damage hitting its weaknesses before the umbrellas spawn, nuke the umbrellas down and those will provide a stacking rupture debuff. You also want to break its head ASAP to reduce the Protection it gains and letting you unload their sin weakness with any weapon type. Applies to most fights in truth. Also finally realized why Centipide is so awful: the loving UI hides the self-charge in combat when it gains it ON combat. So you basically wanna make sure you kill it AFTER you clash with his every skill because otherwise he will cancel them, and double his not visible self-charge. And since Self-charge is neutral at best for him (you have to win every clash if you want him to stay at 0) it's very easy to end up with "oops you killed him first clash so he has 6 self charge. have fun removing the now 12 in the next 4 turns!". Worse is when you want to clash his big skill after you make him lose charge but oops, too fast and also Rodion is attracting all attacks because Aggro, gently caress you.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:You also want to break its head ASAP to reduce the Protection it gains and letting you unload their sin weakness with any weapon type. Applies to most fights in truth. I find that Crow’s Eye View is really valuable in this fight; there’s like two specific turns when I usually find myself getting outsped and using it the turn before guarentees I can clash the next turn. You could do the inverse with Chains of Others too, but I prefer bringing Yi Sang to Mersault
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Google Jeb Bush posted:yeah i'm very happy with Wong Lu given my already somewhat chargey team really you can just close your eyes and throw a dart at a board of hong lu ids and find a winner, guy is blessed well liu hong doesn't work outside of a burn team but you know what i mean PlasticAutomaton posted:you're supposed to do as much damage hitting its weaknesses before the umbrellas spawn, nuke the umbrellas down and those will provide a stacking rupture debuff. killing the umbrellas is also to offset the 20 sp nuke it hits you with. it's not a bad fight but really annoying to finish quickly
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:You also want to break its head ASAP to reduce the Protection it gains and letting you unload their sin weakness with any weapon type. Applies to most fights in truth. yeah that's what i meant when i said centipede has to go perfectly to finish it within par, you gotta break the head on turn 1 and also win every single clash and also make sure it only hits 1 hp after you've won every clash that turn. super huge pain in the rear end. i just keep trying until i get a run that goes well enough and eat a wasted turn it also loves outspeeding you and focusing down one sinner like an rear end in a top hat
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I'm not some mega pro or anything that can get it under 100 turns but wow: RR2 wasn't fun at all!! The only fight I liked was Wayward Passenger, the rest ranged from boring (T Corp, Wario and Waluigi) to just miserable (Fox, Shock Centipede, Steam running on an old macbook).
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watchedclock posted:I find that Crow’s Eye View is really valuable in this fight; there’s like two specific turns when I usually find myself getting outsped and using it the turn before guarentees I can clash the next turn. You could do the inverse with Chains of Others too, but I prefer bringing Yi Sang to Mersault Man I always forget about the Bind he does. Specially cause on Centipede it would be actual damage given its weakness to Sloth. Yinlock posted:yeah that's what i meant when i said centipede has to go perfectly to finish it within par, you gotta break the head on turn 1 and also win every single clash and also make sure it only hits 1 hp after you've won every clash that turn. super huge pain in the rear end. i just keep trying until i get a run that goes well enough and eat a wasted turn Well I managed 5 turns my last attempt, and while it took endless resets due to lovely T2 or not dying on T4 if you can get it to like 2 self charge by the time you kill it at the very least it should die when clashing next turn. Also funnily enough I do like Wayward Passenger: he can be tricky if unmanaged but unlike every other boss in this train he doesn't overstay his welcome. Also I actually liked the Fairy bros fight, but that might be the fact MD2H Fairy Long Legs goves me PTSD and Refracted is a joke in comparison.
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Here's a mental exercise: How would you have made RR2 fun, while keeping the loop gimmick? Personally, I'd have reduced the loops to 3, but had you fight all the enemies each loop. I'd have also increased the number of people you can bring to a fight per loop, starting with 7 on the first run and ending with all 12 on the last. The biggest difference is that I'd make more of a focus on the fights changing each loop, like how Fairy Gentleman got a buddy the second time around. Mostly this'd take the form of adds - T Corp would get merged into the Steam Transport Machine and show up to support it in the second loop by adding or removing time from its counter, for example, so if you play it right you could potentially get multiple Fragile turns in a row. So That No One Will Cry will get users of its EGO, Wayward Passenger would get a W Corp cleanup crew, Drifting Fox would get Alleyway Watchdog and Headless Ichthys backing it up in a rerun of the RR1 fight etc etc. I'd also merge Fae Lantern and Fairy Gentleman, where after you beat the Lantern a cutscene plays where the Gentlemen appears to grab the Lantern's fairy, crush it, and put it in his drink before fighting you himself. With this in mind, Fae Lantern would probably be the first fight with that acting as an introduction to how things work in the extra loops. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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By the way, someone who used the English option in the TGS demo took a picture of some dialogue that might confirm something: Ahab's a woman now.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Here's a mental exercise: How would you have made RR2 fun, while keeping the loop gimmick? Kill the low turn banner and make it a cycles completed banner imo. It doesn't matter if it's just a banner, the high score everyone is posting about is turn count so it makes it less fun to compare.
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Pulled on the new EGO banner and finally got Cinq Don.
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Heath's MFE is a 25 SP heal on 4 allies, unconditional and with an extra Attack down and costing less that Fluid Sac, this slaps. The corrosion seems bad to me though, I understand the SP heal is to prevent -45 sanity but adding a fragile to that seems like just mean.
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I think the Fragile is inflicted on the target and not on Heathcliff - there is no "self" mentioned and the EGO Corrosion doesn't have Inflict Fragile at Uptie III.
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pm can i please go two weeks without fighting sir bongsalot at the end of md2
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It can be done, I got Centipede last week and Bull this week …except it’s a new week now, so.
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Junpei posted:By the way, someone who used the English option in the TGS demo took a picture of some dialogue that might confirm something:
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Am I misremembering or were we supposed to get an update to MD events whereby we'd have some way to register outcomes we had already experienced before? I'm really sick of having to look stuff up since I only can seem to remember half of the pool with any sort of accuracy, it's a dogshit mechanic if one or more options are always failure and/or a crippling effect while getting it right nets you an EGO Gift but the only "trick" is memorizing a whole bunch of outcomes. Or am I confusing the above with the EGO Gift encyclopedia they added?
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KazigluBey posted:Am I misremembering or were we supposed to get an update to MD events whereby we'd have some way to register outcomes we had already experienced before? My assumption is that between the game's generally "interesting" coding and the PR grenade KJH threw into the offices it's just been sort of percolating in the background.
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PetraCore posted:Lol Heathcliff's Canto is absolutely after Ishmael's because the two of them are a lot more similar than either would be comfortable admitting, with a line like that and the theme she has of relentless obsession even to the point of physical and mental self harm. if we're dropping by cyber wuthering heights heathcliff kinda has to come back successful and rich though but i'm just going by the original story because despite how chatty he is we don't have much to go on besides his current state being during wuthering heights' timeskip. he doesn't seem to share the intense lifelong bitterness of his literary origin so who knows what makes that guy tick.
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Yinlock posted:if we're dropping by cyber wuthering heights heathcliff kinda has to come back successful and rich though Yeah, idk, Limbus Heathcliff is bitter but it certainly hasn't developed the 'ruin his own life and the lives of everyone around him' depth of his literary counterpart. Guess we'll see what goes down with Catherine in Canto VI. PetraCore fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Oct 13, 2023 |
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Uh, minor slip-up there: 6 is VI, not XI. XI is 11, which would be Outis's chapter.
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well, my next attempt at RR is now at cycle 5 126 turns before Sign of Rose. So I have 24 turns to kill it and get the banner... which I'll do once it's implemented. Meanwhile the bus stays at STNOWC till they patch that
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