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We know the range on the buk is about 30 miles so we can also not operate with in 30 until we have a better strategy for it. Our first sorties might need to be focused on degrading the enemy air forces and learning their strategy. To that end Flight Leads. In your initial briefing for the upcoming game please provide guidance to GCI/ABMs. We have a few new folks so stuff like "Our mig 21 is best used in pairs attacking down low against opponents, we're only effective within 5 miles, etc." "Our radar is balls" etc.
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As much as this isn't my personal favorite mission profile, if there are literal miles-long convoy traffic jams covered in PLA combat sustainment support vehicles, the F-5E (Uzi flight) is perfectly capable of employing dumb rockets, bombs, or both on such an obvious and lined up target. This is still high risk to MANPADs compared to SU-25s doing maximum standoff S-13 runs, and pretty moderate to high risk to AAA or even self-defense AA .50/20mm as well. But if risking 2-4 F-5s dropping sticks of snakeyes on a highway are the difference between hundreds or a thousand plus troops escaping/holding or being destroyed/surrendering, the choice may be clear. Snakeye Tutorial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emxHLfuDnPI
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Elendil004 posted:We know the range on the buk is about 30 miles so we can also not operate with in 30 until we have a better strategy for it. Our first sorties might need to be focused on degrading the enemy air forces and learning their strategy. I take it you're a NO to Operación Escalpelo then?
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Gridlocked posted:I take it you're a NO to Operación Escalpelo then? It's risk vs reward. We have to send in probably 2 strikers and 2 cover planes, OR 2 expensive strikers. And remember, that was simply the emissions we caught on that flight. If there's something else we overfly with its radar off that rams something up our tailpipe we lose planes we can't afford to lose. If we could lob a HARM from 31 miles away go for it, otherwise it doesn't seem like we need to operate in the bubble yet so let's pin it till then.
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Elendil004 posted:It's risk vs reward. We have to send in probably 2 strikers and 2 cover planes, OR 2 expensive strikers. And remember, that was simply the emissions we caught on that flight. If there's something else we overfly with its radar off that rams something up our tailpipe we lose planes we can't afford to lose. So right now we THINK its at the airfield thats been captured. What's the likelyhood its been moved on? Like are the PLA going to move up something closer to the front to catch out CAS out? Also if we use the Kh-28s we could fire them off from outside 31 miles I believe? Toss out 2 in the general direction of the airbase 55 klicks and hope the PLA are stupid and leave the drat thing on. Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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Gridlocked posted:So right now we THINK its at the airfield thats been captured. What's the likelyhood its been moved on? Like are the PLA going to move up something closer to the front to catch out CAS out? I mean, if I were the PLAAF, I would move my air defenses to cover the giant logistical supply train, because it is simply more important than a threatened air base on the front lines, but I would keep it out of range of tube artillery from the mech brigade. And I'd move it 500-5000 meters or so every 8 hours. But maybe they're not that smart (god I hope they aren't or it could get rough for the first wave of ablative aerial armor).
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 Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio South American Combined Armada The admiralty put together a compilation of some of the available airstrips and airports in our region. Some of them are little ones with dirt runways that are used by the oil and gas folks, others are municipal airports that service the surrounding region. Dispersing our aircraft may be a good opportunity to spread out our logistical load and reduce the impact of a Chinese air strike or cruise missile attack. Many fighter aircraft are capable of operating in more austere places with shorter runways than the larger cargo or utility aircraft, but they also need to be close enough to the front line to make a difference. If a balance can be found, hopefully SCAD Gen. Scholz will permit naval aviation the use of Puerto Natales. If not, then the Argentine P3s could be based at El Calafate or the empty O'Higgins Airbase.  Chilean frontline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posesi%C3%B3n_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerro_Castillo_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punta_Arenas_Sandra_Scabini_Airport Argentine backline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capit%C3%A1n_Jos%C3%A9_Daniel_Vazquez_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_Airport_(Argentina) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobernador_Gregores_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_Las_Heras_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perito_Moreno_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Deseado_Airport Secondly, we have a number of logistical assets to make use of including 30 truck-laden containers (likely the military standard 20' RORO ISO containers, but the world of "standardized containers" is super complex), a C-17 Globemaster III on a 48 hour assignment, a potential Fedex 747 contract, and a variety of flight charter options with local airlines. I agree that prioritizing the modern aircraft with supplies makes perfect sense - the F-16s are needed immediately and are most likely to be effective. It may be possible that we can source additional supplies from the surrounding region if we move them by air freight. The standard military pallet is the 463L, which is slightly smaller than the civilian equivalent of the AAA. After researching the matter, naval logistics reports that the US military considers 18x 463Ls to be equivalent to 8x 20' ROROs in terms of bulk - this being the cargo capacity of a C-17. So we essentially need 68 AAA / 463L pallets. This would be approximately 4 C-17s, 9 737-700Cs, 10 BAE 146s, 6 A320 freighters, 7 737-800s, or 2 747-400s. Range would be dependent on the weight and other factors. If we can make use of the cargo aircraft that we have available, then perhaps we can have our maté and drink it too. If not, then the best thing to do would be to prioritize the land-based aircraft and wait for our cargo ships to catch up with our fleets. «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« 
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The 30 container choice for Negostrike will mean the difference of getting 4 additional F-16 MLUs or having the Brazilian fleet get its Air Wing of A-4s maintained. Otherwise the fleet will sail out of Puerto San Julian at the end of maintenance period without being properly able to use its air wing.
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mlmp08 posted:As much as this isn't my personal favorite mission profile, if there are literal miles-long convoy traffic jams covered in PLA combat sustainment support vehicles, the F-5E (Uzi flight) is perfectly capable of employing dumb rockets, bombs, or both on such an obvious and lined up target. This is still high risk to MANPADs compared to SU-25s doing maximum standoff S-13 runs, and pretty moderate to high risk to AAA or even self-defense AA .50/20mm as well. But if risking 2-4 F-5s dropping sticks of snakeyes on a highway are the difference between hundreds or a thousand plus troops escaping/holding or being destroyed/surrendering, the choice may be clear. Uzi is also capable of employing CBU-52s which are pretty good for soft targets like trucks.
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When it comes to tasking the flight if Mirage 2000Cs, we're best flying a barcap at high altitude and vectors for intercepts at need, or an escort for strike. We have legs, especially at altitude, as we'll take a tank by default and can go Hella fast. Will be sporting two excellent fox1s and two good Fox2s per plane. Our radar is very capable but has no data link.
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Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio South American Combined Armada In recognition of the serious logistical limitations being faced by the SACA and the larger military response, naval logistics has examined the major supply routes and offers this summary report: The areas of Southern Chile and Southern Argentina are fairly isolated, but a variety of significant cargo routes do exist. While the occupation of the Tierra del Fuego has limited our access to the largest ports and airports of the region, secondary infrastructure remains available. The principal overland travel options are the Argentinean highways RN40 in the west and RN3 along the eastern coast, which both meet in Río Gallegos. These twin highways, which each contend to be the southernmost extension of the Pan-American Highway, offer reliable connections to the major South American cities in the north. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Route_40_(Argentina) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Route_3_(Argentina) These overland routes are paralleled by sea cargo routes along each of the coasts. The nearest western depot is the Chilean Puerto Montt Naval Base, regional headquarters of their fifth military district. The eastern depot is found at the Argentinean Puerto Belgrano Naval Base, headquarters and arsenal of the Argentine Navy. With these facts in mind, and cognizant of our need to reduce logistical overhead, I order our western and eastern supply fleets to be REBASED out of these respective regional headquarters. Their inventories will be sorely needed by our supply fleets, which departed from Lima and Rio de Janeiro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Belgrano_Naval_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Montt  In addition to these road and sea-going cargo connections, our forces may be able to make use of the Rio Turbio Railway - an industrial single-track line connecting the only Argentinean coal mine with the export terminals near Río Gallegos. While this railway was negatively impacted by the privatizations of the 1990s, unlike most of its fellows it remained in operation. A small number of Romanian and Bulgarian BDŽ class 76/77 diesel-electric locomotives carry thousands of tons of coal ore along its length each year, and the line has been continuously updated. While several efforts have been made over the years to re-invest in the line and expand its operations, they have generally failed due to a lack of economic incentives. But given that the railway runs parallel along our strategic lines, between Puerto Natales and Puerto Rio Gallego, perhaps the Turbio Railway's time has come again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Turbio_Railway  «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«
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Has anyone smarter than me looked at where the enemy is basing planes and made up any threat bubbles?
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Ushuia and Mount Pleasant.
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Elendil004 posted:Has anyone smarter than me looked at where the enemy is basing planes and made up any threat bubbles?  They have J-7G (MIG-21 clone), J-11 (SU-27 Clone), and H-6's. (Could be HY-6 tanker, or the bomber version) The J-7 has a limited range for CAP. A 150nm CAP gives them, at most, 170 minutes of loiter time. They have iron bombs and rockets for land strikes with 240nm minimum, or up to 500nm with just small rockets. This 500nm range barely gets them to the AO. At Mount Pleasant they are mostly just a defensive asset, but at Ushaia can cover the entire AO and protect that area with a decently long patrol time. The J-11 has a slightly larger CAP range and loiter time. The strike ranges are up to 500nm and can run anti-runway bombs, iron bombs, and rockets. For CAP they have the R-77 and R-27, very respectable AAM's that can tangle well. The H-6 can be one of a large variety including types that run YJ-83's, the basic type with Bombs and mines, the HY-6 Tanker, or the H-6B Recon. Strikes from Mount Pleasant would need to rely on a mid-point refuel otherwise they'd have very little room to maneuver. But anything at Ushaia itself is going to have long legs and can carry some heavy loads.
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It's still a maneuver kill if you get the AI to afterburn a lot, then disengage from the fight, and they eject and fall into the South Atlantic before they can get back to Malvinas. Gets more complicated if they divert south.
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Hey peeps phone posting from work: Addendum to the Air Combat Plan, the F-5s will now be flying escort on Operation UberEats with the c-130s
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Hippocrass posted:Is the tank regiment ABSOLUTELY needed in the south? I'm mostly a WW2 gamer and that looks like mighty close terrain for tanks. It looks like Charlie should be sufficient to me, but I'm not familiar with modern military needs. Alpha is trying to defend two axis' of attack with only engineers for company, and that looks like good tank country. At least better than their current position. My gut feeling is that you're right about moving the tank regiment over to the Y-65 line. Moreso because the mechanized infantry will likely fail at holding without their assistance, especially with the artillery being temporarily out of action and unable to support them. Does anybody else have feedback on that move before I draw up a final plan?
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  Another day, another cargo flight. Route said Bogota to Bahía Blanca in Argentina, by way of a Bolivian fuel stop in Cochabamba. We are loaded pretty heavily for what should usually be a fairly easy non-stop flight. The dispatcher's choice of Cochabamba for the fuel stop is going to be tough, as it's a high altitude city, surrounded by even taller mountains. Oh and the flight dispatch also noted the ILS is out, and there's thunderstor--  Cállate Gilberto, put that video camera away and get the plane warmed up. I wanna hit Bahía before Los Chinos get there. Sí, jefe.   Waiting for a LATAM Colombia plane to land so we can leave   See you later Bogota. Won't have anything else to look at out the window for a few hours.   Other than the stars, nothing going on. No moon to see with either. Captain Santos ran out of coffee, and I was getting hungry, so I stepped outside into the forward galley to rustle up some food. It was a little odd seeing 80 passengers looking so similar. All seemingly had the same high and tight haircuts, and a matching fashion choice of "my spouse dressed me to be 'inconspicuous'." When I returned with the food and drink, Jefe pointed at something we could watch for a while. https://i.imgur.com/OYVGcd5.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/Yy3vS0G.mp4 The approach into Cochabamba did uhm, not go as planned. I left us too high for the runway, too low for the surrounding hills, and way too fast.  Captain Santos took over.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pFT7VwnqMA Sorry. But hey, we made it!   ((will try to post leg 2 tomorrow))
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Bentai posted:
This was all so much fun to follow along with! I really enjoyed your post. It's great to see the sims in action, as well as to better understand how all the components come together to create a successful flight.
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Bentai’s crew is so cool they wear sunglasses at night. Good posts
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Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio South American Combined Armada Mederlock posted:
The plan makes sense to me. Moving the tanks west will make them less capable of responding to an attack to the east, where it seems likely that the missing PLAN amphibious brigade is operating, but they seem sorely needed by our infantry - particularly with the possible establishment of a PLAGF supply base in that area. Moving the tanks into better terrain seems worthwhile. The artillery ammunition crisis at Franco Bianco does seem vital - with the sea link not able to keep up, additional air resupply appears crucial. As parachute airdrops or helicopter resupply currently appear unavailable (the only helicopters I've heard about are a couple utility helos aboard the carriers), the C-130s seem like the only tool in your toolbox. Flying in and out of the airport at Franco Bianco will be very dangerous - it's only 22 km from the PLAGF LOA at its nearest points, which is within SHORAD range. Doing so concurrently with our air operations, as Gen. Shulz recommends in Operación Comida Rápida, appears to be the best option. Gridlocked posted:
Vahakyla posted:The 30 container choice for Negostrike will mean the difference of getting 4 additional F-16 MLUs or having the Brazilian fleet get its Air Wing of A-4s maintained. It would appear the choice for our commander seems stark. Having additional F-16s would be useful to our air defense capabilities and provide an immediate boost to our inventory - but the cost of effectively disabling one of our two available carrier fleets would be very high. A-4s are most effective as strike fighters, with only a limited air-to-air capability, but their presence allows the carrier fleet to operate independently and ward off the 1st and 3rd PLAN fleets. Given that we are already facing airport limitations on land, I don't think that four F-16A MLUs add more capability overall than 21 A-4s plus their attendant carrier and surface warfare ships. With that in mind, I recommend that supreme commander Gen. Carlos direct the 30 containers of munitions to the waiting NAel Minais Gerais in Puerto San Julián. With respect to air commander Gen. Schulz, I strongly sympathize with the difficult logistical limitations you are being faced with. Both the Brazilian and Chilean fleets have been struggling with supply issues as well, not to mention the ill-fated British fleet marooned to our north, and there simply is not enough to go around. It is my hope that straightening out sea, truck, train, and air cargo deliveries will reduce these issues for all of us. I recommend dispersing your air forces - particularly to the Santa Cruz airport and the Posesión, Cerro Castillo, and Sandra Scabini airstrips - in the hope that this will help to relieve those issues, permit quicker sortieing, and reduce the risk of air strikes. Apart from that, I would support your plans for Operación Escalpelo. Destroying the MEAD system would enable a much more vigorous air defense of our beleaguered ground forces in Tierra del Fuego. However, I would only pursue this course with the support and counsel of your flight leads. If they don't believe this attack is possible, I would recommend devoting those air assets to support Operación Comida Rápida - suppressing enemy Mi-8 helicopters, Strela SAMs, and J-7 aircraft should be much more possible outside the 40+ kilometer range of the CH-SA-16 Buk, or east of the First PLAGF Mech BDE. Elendil004 posted:Happy to take requests for other flights to gather data with the RC-12 guardrail. It would be cool to check out fjords but realistically getting shot down is not my idea of a good time. «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«
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  El Supremo Comandante SCAD El General del Aire Carlos - El FAP The day is coming, mis camaradas. Everybody's working hard and I'm proud of you all. I'm sure the entire continent is as well. Vahakyla posted:FIRST DILEMMA: As South America has been a food exporter during this conflict, the demands have been high. You currently have a cargo ship, sailing under the flag of Bahamas, named "Peruvian Reefer", full of fruit. While it was destined for Italy as a food delivery, Finland has requested it as an emergency delivery due to the harsh winter and brutal fighting in the North. While it isn't the only food ship sailing to Italy, it will certainly anger Italians to not receive it. Yet, Finland is much smaller and under a harsh winter. The "Peruvian Reefer" shall send its shipment of fruit to Finland. They're gonna need it, they need that morale boost to get through these hard times. Vahakyla posted:SECOND DILEMMA: That's one dilemma I don't wish for anyone else to have, holy poo poo. After careful consideration and hearing suggestions, we'll have those trucks taking all that gear to San Julián, to support the Brazilian carrier. We can make do with our available fighters and AA systems for air defense and I have no doubt all those Skyhawks will provide excellent support. As much as I'd love to see 4 additional Vipers giving us cover, we can't let pass the opportunity to have two dozen A-4s for offensive ops. Vahakyla posted:The Five Eyes Navies will not give you any submarine information, and have informed you they will only cooperate with surface combatants if it will become pertinent. The Royal Navy currently is struggling in the area, having the HMS Invincible on the rocks at Comodoro Rivadavia. Have we got any news about that drat sub? We have sonobuoys in place and it is of paramount importance to have our shipping route well defended. Mederlock posted:I hereby request 2x to 4x C-130 flights into Franco Bianco, to deliver the necessary shell fuses, parts, and if you can spare the extra flights, special ammunition types such as cluster bomb shells to keep the artillery replenished. Concerning Scholz' Operación Escalpelo, I'd risk sending some of our Su-25Ts to get rid of that SAM and let's focus on having the Vipers providing anti-air support...IF that's really a SAM. Is there any way we can ID it before such an operation?
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Negostrike posted:
 paid for that food and is a stronger nation of over 50 million people. Finland is a country that chose decades of neutrality and lack of preparedness and is only a nation of 5 million. Supreme Commander supremely backing out of paid-for obligations to a member of NATO seems like a poor long-term strategy for a CSAD coalition seeking western aid and facing naval catastrophe...
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Some food for thought. Certainly both Finland and Italy have faced war rationing throughout their history:quote:"Food strategy was no mere domestic matter, and a scramble between the United Nations for supplies would be disastrous. Combined Food Board machinery had therefore been set up to prevent competitive buying of foodstuffs in short supply and remove any grievance that one country was going short while there was a surplus elsewhere." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Food_Board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Shipping_Administration Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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We had a bit of a delay in Cochabamba while Captain Santos and the SLCB Avianca ground crew inspected the plane, after what my old flight instructor would have called a "Naval Aviator" landing. After about 45 minutes of them poking and prodding the plane, it was signed off, and I programmed the plane for our next leg to Bahía Blanca. Accompanying Captain Santos back onto the plane, was a member of the airline's ground crew carrying a huge box full of goodie bags. After he gave bags to the captain and myself, they moved into the cabin and handed them out to my "inconspicuous" passengers. It was adorable! The bags came with a few bars of Bolivian chocolate, some little key-chain good luck llamas, and a bundle of some kind of green leaves.    Don't you know what that is? It's coca leaves. You know. "Coca." Put that mierda back in the bag Gilberto, let's get going. Sí, jefe.   We departed just after sunrise, which made for a pretty takeoff, but also meant we were aimed towards the sun for quite a while until it rose higher in the sky. https://i.imgur.com/NwyUtfg.mp4   Being a daytime flight, there was a lot more to look at when we weren't making sure the Airbus MCDU didn't revolt.   Oh hey, look! We're flying over Córdoba. That's the second biggest city in Argentina next to Buenos Aires! Mmhmm. I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill 'em all. What? Huh? Oh, nothing.  Oh check that out Captain, it's Laguna Mar Chiquita, the biggest salt lake in Argentina! Mmhmm. Hey did I ever tell you about the greatest goddamn Colombian soccer player ever, Carlos Valderrama? You should have seen him when he was at Deportivo Cali. Wasn't he the guy with the crazy hair?  Huh? Oh, yeah.  As we descended towards Bahía Blanca, we flew over Laguna de Epecuén, another salt lake, and one that destroyed Villa Epecuén back in the '80s when a dam failed. I would have pointed it out to Captain Santos, but he was engrossed with approach and landing numbers, not to mention he gave me the stink eye when I offered to fly us in.  Even with clear skies and reasonable winds, we took no chances on our landing, opting for the ILS autoland.  Well, about seven hours later, we finally arrived at Bahía Blanca. While taking on extra cargo and a few more "inconspicuous" passengers, I heard someone joke that they hoped the Bolivians also packed some combat llamas into the cargo hold.  ((there's a third leg to go, due to a dispatcher error the plans were not sent until late. I may just handwave it as "yep, flight went okay" if I don't have time to knock out the flight and post tonight.))
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VENOM FLIGHT As the only AMRAAM platform of the combined Air Forces, our goal is to target the J-11s. The other CAP flights can handle the other planes. We’ll loiter behind the MiG-29 and M-2000C CAP as a ready reserve, and dash forward to engage the J-11s when they sortie. Air to Air Tactics With a three ship flight, our en-route formation will be a Vic, with #2 on the left of lead, and #3 on the right of lead. We’ll use TACAN Yardstick to maintain formation SA: 1. Lead sets Tacan to AA T/R 1Y 2. Wingmen set their TACAN to AA T/R 64Y. 3. A digital readout of the range to Lead will then appear on the DED of Wingmen. Our Attack Formation will be Two Forward, One Back. From the en-route formation, #2 turns out 20 degrees left and #3 turns out 20 degrees right. Lead will pump and set back 10-15 nm (using Tacan Yardstick to gauge distance) Attack Wingmen go max burner, climb high and get fast. Goal M1.2+ @ 30-40,000 ft. Manually loft by pitching up 15 degrees prior to missile launch. Default tactics will be Skate - Launch and leave. Crank (outwards) after launch and disengage after pit bull. Lead will follow-up and engage any survivors. If necessary, wingmen turn back to re-engage after lead shoots and skates himself. INTJ Mastermind fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Negostrike posted:
Consider these decisions locked. I will write the update tonight when I get home late at night and I have my desktop and my maps.
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El Supremo Comandante SCAD El General del Aire Carlos - El FAP New hot intel dropped and thanks to super advanced state-of-the-art means of finding poo poo out, turns out that pedazo de sorete submarine is a Los Angeles class gringo sub. I don't think it's necessary for me to tell you to not engage.
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Mederlock posted:Logistics difficulties - Artillery  General of the Combined Armies, CSAD Operación Comida Rápida General Scholz, the troops on the ground are already singing their praise for the support being promised them by the aviators! With you and your pilot's timely assistance, the guns will be kept combat-effective and able to support our defensive. As paltry as it is, we will task one of our Gepards back to Franco Bianco to try to at least keep hostile gun runs off of our C-130's while they're at their most vulnerable: while the supplies are being offloaded. I hereby order the Gepard on HWY 257 to stay in place for now, but at 22:00 Feb 14, they are to displace and redeploy at the Franco Bianco Airport in time to cover the C-130's. The organic SHORAD elements of the 35th Mech will stay with them. Operación Muro de Hierro I would like to thank Tevery Best, Hippocrass, and Admiral Sampaio [Kaal] for their valued input, their feedback confirmed what I already had in mind for a re-shuffle in the disposition of our ground forces on the front. I hereby order the 11th Tank Regiment to immediately pull back from HWY 257, and redeploy to the Y-65 axis as fast as they can, this 30 Km trip down dirt roads should not take them much time. While I recognize this will put the 35th Mech Regiment in a dangerous position, they do have the advantage of very favourable terrain to support their defensive of the highway, and even if they get pushed back the terrain behind them is still favourable. The 24th Mech Regiment does not have this luxury on the Y-65 line, and their defeat would lead to the collapse of our effort on Tierra del Fuego. Once they arrive on the evening of the 13th, they are to coordinate and prepare with the 24th Mech and the Mechanized Engineers Battalion for a hard day of fighting on the 14th. The mechanized infantry and engineers are to be tasked with blowing the bridge over Y-655. The artillery are to prioritize their limited remaining time and guns to using smoke munitions on the other side of the bridge to provide cover to the engineers while they work, and the importance of the use of smoke grenades and mortars will be impressed on the Infantry during this operation. We do recognize the possibility that this effort may render the engineers combat ineffective for some time due to casualties, but these heroes understand the importance of halting the PLA advance. If it becomes apparent that blowing the bridge will not be feasible, the engineers are to deploy all of their available anti-tank and anti-personnel mines on the bridge and along the road as they retreat, and the mechanized infantry are to take up positions overlooking the bridge and try to fire on any advances over it. While the Infantry and Engineers do their work, the 11th Tank Regiment will take up hull-down positions and/or utilize the groundworks around the nearby O&G pads overlooking the bridge on the Y-65 HWY, and use the bridge to funnel and punish the PLAGF advance. While their infantry may be able to cross the Rio Oscar in some areas, their armor will have to push across this narrow chokepoint and line up in neat columns, and thus present a vulnerable formation for our tanks to fire on. Priority will be put on taking out the front and rear tanks in any column that tries to cross the bridge, and if we're lucky we may be able to choke the bridge with the burning wreckage of Type 99's. The Gepard is to be posted with the Infantry, and the RBS-70 units are to be placed in the fields between the highways to provide cover to our units near both bridges. See the attached map for the operation as described  CAS Priorities The Primary CAS objective in the AO is taking out the bridge over Y-65. The ground forces will attempt to blow the bridge at Y-655, but if they fail, that bridge will also be a Primary target. The Secondary CAS priority is taking out any heavy armor pushing along Y-65, or if HWY 257 is being pushed during the operation, then these forces are also pinned at Secondary priority. The Tertiary CAS priority is hitting the traffic jam of supply vehicles on Y-65. These are the priorities as the ground forces see it. I leave the actual air taskings to the experts in the Air Forces. Edit: Addendum, I would also like to have one of the Rolands move to the Ferry terminal at Punta Delgada. Seamos libres, que lo demás no importa nada! General Humberto, EA 
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Kaal posted:
 Combined Air Combat Command - SCAD General we wholly agree with your assessment regarding the supplies for the carrier group; and agree that an active carrier group will far better suit our defensive requirements right now than 4 Vipers. Further regarding your comments around the dispersal of existing air assets to other airports I have ben reviewing the options available and have considered the following: Relocation of 2112 Combat Squadron (Mirage F-1s) hence forth known as Peugeot to Santa Cruz Airport - capable of anti ship strikes if needed to support Argentine fleet, and frees up space to jump Pontiac to the Rio Turbio Airbase in their stead. Hopefully this means that there is enough space at Puerto Natales for the naval P-3's. Are there any final comments on Operación Escalpelo from flight leads? I feel confident in the Kh-28 of Chevy being able to take out a PLA BUK-equiv that is foolishly active near the front line due to the large effective range of the missile but I have never flown one. I want Escalpelo to go ahead but I need these serious opinions flight leads. General de aviación Daniela Figueroa Scholz 
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 I am back at my computer but I wasn't thug enough to do all this last night at 0100 local time. But now I'm back at it. So, on to game news. -------------------------------- Brigadier General Humberto, Your logistics base is feeding the front. The RO-RO ferry can transport an immense amount and is currently moving at least 10 semi trucks every trip. However, it still is your only link to Tierra del Fuego, but as per your request to move C-130 support also of critical parts, the following will apply: IF your ferry stays alive and doesn't get destroyed and IF you also manage to land at least 4 C-130s with human pilots, which will each count for 3x times their carried supply to simulate constant air ops, THEN you may consider the front to be good for supplies for three days and your artillery will be free to pound. Your unit cards have been moved as requested. Air Mobility Officer Taps' flight from Monterrey, CA, has arrived to Rio Gallegos, and thus he has flown TWO (2x) Avenger units to SAW. Show me where you want them they're ready for tasking. They likely won't have enough time to drive before battle to the Punta Arenas front, however. -------------------------------------------------------- General del Aire Carlos. Regarding the cargo ship Peruvian Reefer, you've chosen for it to sail towards Finland instead, opting to fulfill their urgent request. With the 30 shipping containers, you chose to supply the NAel Minais Gerais' air wing, so on the 17th, this fleet will depart the port with a fully functioning air wing. The US aid for SHORAD was chosen as the two Avengers, which are at Rio Gallegos now. Up to the Army General to do something with them. Right now, you don't have any choices or anything else to make. The battle will unfold "tomorrow" which is five days from now on IRL date of 14th October. ---------------------------- Admiral Sampaio, Brazilian fleet is under refit in Puerto San Julian, estimated to require three total days to refit its air wing and to maintain its readiness, being ready on the 17th of February at 0600hrs. It was supplied properly so its Air Wing will be active. Your P-3 patrols will fly to Puerto Natales, despite it being cozy there. They are currently NOT OUT because they need a moment of refit. You got another contact of the unknown frigate. CNS O'Higgins is trying to get closer. Your Chilean surface fleet is just north of Isal Beauclerk, poised to strike. How will you use your Skyhawks during the operation? The foreign volunteers as the Colombian Marine Infantry will be loaded to NAel Minais Gerais and will add to its Marine complement. ------------------------------ For the Air Combat Command Commander, General Schulz, Your P-3s are currently getting refit at Puerto Santa Cruz airport, unable to sortie out for a day. Because your commander chose to use them elsewhere the supplies are not available and you thus have no further F-16s to put into service. The Mirage F1s will fly to Santa Cruz Airport also in relocation, and Pontiac's Mirage 2000s will move to Rio Turbio. Consider it done. ------------- Air Mobility Officer Taps, No current updates. Situation will be re-assessed after the battle day. The charter flights have supplied the front, brought the requested units, and the missions are done.
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And signup sheet is up for mission, it's finally updated.
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Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio South American Combined Armada Initial Strike Plan for 15FEB10: Operación Dragón With the carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo now in position, it is time to order an air strike on PLA forces in the area in order to interdict reinforcements of their Puntas Arenas offensive. The first attack will be against a group of ships that are blockading the Strait of Magellan and protecting their supply lines. Recon got emissions from one Tarantul-class ship and detected at least seven different ships. Crew aboard the RC-12 are almost sure the remaining ships were Type 072A landing ships. However, Type 037 patrol ships are known to operate in the area and would not emit. As they departed the patrol area, several J-7 patrols appeared. This area is designated Site02. Strike Plan: A flight of four A-4 Skyhawks will take off from the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo approximately 120 km / 65 nmi to the WNW of Site02, fly down the Strait of Magellan using the Córdoba Peninsula for radar cover, pop out of the valley and destroy the Tarantul and associated landing ships (designated Target A), then proceed northeast to regroup. Note that PLAN amphibious forces may have occupied the nearby Whale Sound Eco Camp on Isla Carlos III and set up a checkpoint with MANPADs. This is designated Target B. As the hills to the east of Target A are approximately 750 m (2500 ft) above the valley floor, the nearby Rio Batchelor may offer a protected exit route to the east. Once the flight has regrouped, either a second strike may then be ordered by the flight leader via the Jerome Channel, or the Skyhawks will proceed WNW and leave Site02. Once the strike is complete, the flight will return to the carrier.  https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-wgqznx/Isla-Carlos-III/?center=-53.36367%2C-72.61139&base=2&zoom=9 Notes: Airspace to the east and south is contested. PLAAF J-7 Fishcan fighters have been detected in the area. If additional A-4 Skyhawks are available, or in coordination with SCAD Air Command, it may be prudent to organize a CAP to defend against this response. This initial strike plan will be distributed to the flight leader and pilots for review and development. Tarantul Armament 4 × P-15 Termit/SS-N-2 Styx or 4 × P-270 Moskit/SS-N-22 Sunburn or 16 × Kh-35 Uran/SS-N-25 Switchblade anti-ship missiles. 1 SA-N-5 SAM (1x4) MANPAD air defence missiles 1 × 76 mm AK-176 dual purpose main gun 2 × AK-630 30 mm gun or 1 × CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS (Close-in weapon system) for air defence Type 037 Armament 4 × Chinese Type 66 57 mm (2.2 in) guns (2 × 2) 2 × AK-230 30 mm (1.2 in) AA guns 4 × RBU-1200 ASW mortars 2 × depth charge rails with 18 depth charges «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«
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You boys ever been to South America?! Well buckle up! 2 Avengers and several support trucks have made their way from KMRY in California to SAWJ, with an aerial refueling mid way by KC-135. Loading at KMRY  Meeting the KC-135  Taking fuel  Landing at SAWJ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUysbUw9p6Q  Unloading 
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Gridlocked posted:
General Scholz, has it been decided yet who will be in command of Chevy Flight and who will plan this mission out? If there is no one, please let me know so you and I can work out an attack plan with you. Also regarding weapons of choice, I can't find the Kh-28 missile. The SU-25T can employ two different anti-radiation missiles: the Kh-58U, which I presume you meant, and the Kh-25MPU. Of the two, I recommend the Kh-58U if it can be made available. It is much heavier, but at a strike range of up to 70km, it gives Chevy flight the best chance of escaping counter-fire. In the area of Escalpelo, there are otherwise precious few geographical features behind which Chevy can duck. If they can even be fast enough.  Edit: Based on the information provided, I believe that the image below is the best approach to eliminate the threat from HQ-16. In this scenario, Chevy flight approaches the Magellan Strait from the North (WP1). The Strait shall be crosse West of Puerto Sara, due South. When crossing the bay abeam of Cabo Negro (WP2), the Kh-58 can be released; by that time, the HQ-16 should be painting us, but not yet able to reach us. This path should also minimze the warning time given to enemy forces at Puerto Arenas. The trip should be doable within 250nm, or 450km. That's easily within range of the SU25 without external stores, however depending on additional tasking, we may consider external tanks.  Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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FLIGHT PLAN: 1st Fighter Squadron, Fuerza Aérea Brasileña F-5E3 based out of Rio Gallegos airport. Uzi 1, two ship (Myself and Burnt) Uzi 2, two ship (not yet filled, expecting Jarmak and Muhlum) Effort post about F-5s in DCS and their capabilities by Muhlump: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=4042524&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post534880403 The commander's intent for Uzi flight members is to attack the supply line on Highway Y-65. This supply depot evidently has a giant traffic jam, and simultaneously serves as a staging ground for the western attack axis of the Chinese ground forces attacking the Argentine Army's brigade on north tip of Tierra del Fuego. We will interdict it by 1: Attacking the convoy itself, hoping to create even worse traffic jams 2: Degrading the supply depot to reduce its effectiveness Loadout: 2x AIM-9P5, 2x 275gallon tank, 7x Mark-82 bomb.  How do we get there? By using the Rio Gallegos TACAN radio beacon with code 69X. Right after departure, we turn to fly the 174 degree magnetic radial AWAY from Rio Gallegos and climb to 15,000 feet. When the distance measuring equipment, DME, on the plane says we are 56 miles away, we turn to 215 degrees magnetic heading. This will align us with the highway for the most part. We fly for 28 miles and we should spot the depot and convoy visually. 28 nautical miles should take us roughly 4.5 minutes at this altitude to travel.  We return home by flying initially heading 360, then intercepting the same TACAN 69X with a course of 076 degrees magnetic and landing at Rio Gallegos. Our goal isn't to engage air targets, but to bomb this convoy and site. However we do have missiles for self defence. If needed, we can jettison fuel tanks after bomb release and act as a CAP for a short moment, but preferably not. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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Oct 10, 2023 23:28
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Hell yeah senta a púa!
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Taps posted:You boys ever been to South America?! Well buckle up!
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Lord Stimperor posted:General Scholz, has it been decided yet who will be in command of Chevy Flight and who will plan this mission out? I don't fly so who is lead will go through the game master/first in best dressed. Will review your plan in after work.
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