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800peepee51doodoo posted:No, I dont want to install a spyware app to look at a website. Oh cool, open desktop site does nothing. Awesome. Invidious is a website and not an app and there are a variety of ways you can use it to seamlessly replace youtube so you can probably find one that you’re comfortable with.
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Internet Old One posted:Invidious is a website and not an app and there are a variety of ways you can use it to seamlessly replace youtube so you can probably find one that you’re comfortable with. Lol, sorry I was venting about a completely unrelated thing where some websites literally block you from accessing them on mobile unless you use their proprietary app, not the youtube thing
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Oct 10, 2023 17:57
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If you have a vpn you can switch your location to India and pay next to nothing for YouTube. I did a years subscription.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:57
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For Android there's YouTube ReVanced. Gives you a lot of the premium features for free. There are similar modified apps for Spotify.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:18
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GolfHole posted:Youtube's ads are going to come from the same server as the video feed itself, similar to things like Twitch. It won't be possible to block them until ad blockers become sophisticated enough to somehow predict ads, recognize them, and accurately transpose the video to the point where the in-line ad 'ends' and/or offer you some sort of other 'break' screen while YouTube demands its ad timer expire. Undoubtedly even if ad blockers become this good, they will be easy to mitigate by advertisers and YouTube itself by changing small elements at any time in the way ads are presented or otherwise caught. At that point, just turn off your router and go play outside.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:24
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Kroger just changed their discount bakery goods from 50% off to 33% off at my store. 50% off was a fair price for this garbage fresh but sometimes they had good stuff in there.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:25
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Yeah, I lived pretty good before YouTube and I'll live pretty good without it, if they eventually defeat ad blocking. I get more than half my current sit-around entertainment from YouTube, but I once could have said the same thing about Twitch. Life goes on. Anyway, I think the "enhanced 1080p" is as much a sign of what's to come as this first shot fired over ad blockers. Degrade the quality of the product until the user does what you want them to, which is pay up and/or watch ads.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:29
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It took awhile to get over Twitter. You can stop using YouTube too.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:30
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I watch youtube more than I watch any other streaming service. Ad supported stuff sucks poo poo and I have no problem paying to 10 bucks or whatever per month if that means I get no ads and that I am, in a small way, supporting creators more than the ads do.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:32
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Maybe we should not have given our entire media to 3 companies. Oh well
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anatomi posted:For Android there's YouTube ReVanced. Gives you a lot of the premium features for free. There are similar modified apps for Spotify. holy moley I think you just changed my life
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GolfHole posted:Youtube's ads are going to come from the same server as the video feed itself, similar to things like Twitch. It won't be possible to block them until ad blockers become sophisticated enough to somehow predict ads, recognize them, and accurately transpose the video to the point where the in-line ad 'ends' and/or offer you some sort of other 'break' screen while YouTube demands its ad timer expire. Undoubtedly even if ad blockers become this good, they will be easy to mitigate by advertisers and YouTube itself by changing small elements at any time in the way ads are presented or otherwise caught. The current state of the art in unblockable ad tech is server side ad insertion where the ads not only come from the same server as the video but are actually injected into the video stream itself. These sorts of ads will get blocked by sponsorblock until their playback time can be randomized. I’d say not to get too worried until you see proper SSAI. There are places adblock can go from there using methods similar to the way ads get detected in live linear video but that poo poo will be nuts and I’m not sure how much success adblockers will have picking those up.
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Tarkus posted:I watch youtube more than I watch any other streaming service. Ad supported stuff sucks poo poo and I have no problem paying to 10 bucks or whatever per month if that means I get no ads and that I am, in a small way, supporting creators more than the ads do. I've said this before in this thread, my wife and I have a channel with like 1.3 million subscribers, and the sponsors/patreon are the best way to support a creator. YT Premium shows up as a line item on the monthly payout, no one has any idea how it's calculated, and it's much less than the ad payout. I'm talking a few hundred dollars for Premium vs. thousands for the ad payout. Creators have sponsors because that money is demonetization-proof, and lord knows YT loves to demonetize videos for no reason and even if you win the appeal, you're not getting that money back. It says a lot about YouTube that the only real way for a creator to make money is to go outside the platform to do it.
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Oct 10, 2023 21:18
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When ads become unblockable, i'd just cue up the videos i wanna watch that night, screen record, and then just skip the ads like in the days of VHS. Fast forward that poo poo! I wouldn't be opposed to paying, if Youtube hadn't become such a rotten company.
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We Got Us A Bread posted:I've said this before in this thread, my wife and I have a channel with like 1.3 million subscribers, and the sponsors/patreon are the best way to support a creator. YT Premium shows up as a line item on the monthly payout, no one has any idea how it's calculated, and it's much less than the ad payout. I'm talking a few hundred dollars for Premium vs. thousands for the ad payout. Creators have sponsors because that money is demonetization-proof, and lord knows YT loves to demonetize videos for no reason and even if you win the appeal, you're not getting that money back. It says a lot about YouTube that the only real way for a creator to make money is to go outside the platform to do it. I would wager though that the primary drive for YT to demonetize and act like puritans is largely due to advertisers and their mercurial whims. It should also be expected that the YT premium quantities would be a smaller amount since the vast majority of viewers view for free. I'm not claiming that YT isn't poo poo to its creators but I'm not sure that I want to promote the ad model for every internet service anymore. I mean ad funding of stuff on the net via advertisements has always been a pain in the rear end, even in the early days of SA it was rife with bullshit. I also don't think that having everyone adblock as a matter of course is going to help creators or keep the YT servers running. That's my logic anyways.
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Tarkus posted:I would wager though that the primary drive for YT to demonetize and act like puritans is largely due to advertisers and their mercurial whims. It should also be expected that the YT premium quantities would be a smaller amount since the vast majority of viewers view for free. I'm not claiming that YT isn't poo poo to its creators but I'm not sure that I want to promote the ad model for every internet service anymore. I mean ad funding of stuff on the net via advertisements has always been a pain in the rear end, even in the early days of SA it was rife with bullshit. I also don't think that having everyone adblock as a matter of course is going to help creators or keep the YT servers running. I say this as a creator: adblock all day long, we don't like being chained to ads any more than you do. Like I said, if you want to support a creator, there are a ton of ways outside of the YT system (merch, patreon, sponsors) to do that, and it's really the best way to support them.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:46
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I would have happily subscribed to YT Premium a while ago if they weren't owned by Google. Free videos seems the least they could do in return for all the ways they're making the internet worse.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:56
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We Got Us A Bread posted:I say this as a creator: adblock all day long, we don't like being chained to ads any more than you do. Like I said, if you want to support a creator, there are a ton of ways outside of the YT system (merch, patreon, sponsors) to do that, and it's really the best way to support them. Do you mind me asking what your channel is about? Is it about bread? Just curious.
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Beastie posted:Do you mind me asking what your channel is about? Is it about bread? Just curious. It's about spooky stuff (https://www.youtube.com/@ReignBot, we're on a break right now doing other stuff) although my wife was a baker for a Japanese bakery for a while, so she does have bread experience. My av comes from a love of Japanese pro wrestler Satoshi Kojima, and his love affair with bread. https://twitter.com/cozy_lariat/status/1517996360183681024?lang=en We Got Us A Bread fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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No, YT is poo poo to it's creators. Of all the 'services', it's the one that admittedly doesn't pay it's creators for content whatsoever outside of a few cents for ad views. Imagine if Netflix tried to charge a subscription fee, except instead of any of their original programming they paid to produce, or licensed, instead all of their shows were just some guys vlog, and he only gets paid if you watch it, but not if you subscribe to the service. They've essentially fooled people into thinking that they deserve not just A cut, but the Largest Cut of the money, for just being the platform that hosts the poo poo. So I don't even see where you get satisfaction in thinking the creators are getting paid, it's the service designed specifically to take things people's work that they did not support or produce, and sell it to you and take a cut for doing absolutely nothing except be 'the platform'. Consequently, that's why people get paid the worst there. Like, the writers strike has taught us the the guilt that streaming services heap on about how they can't afford to pay creators more due to ~~~piracy~~~ was total bullshit bc it turns out they services are actually just pocketing that money. So already that's a position trained into you by marketers, that paying for the service puts the money into the creators hands. It does NOT. But on top of that, YT would be the least likely to actually be ethical bc the whole concept is 'we host it, so we can monetize it' and sucking up the free work of others. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:No, YT is poo poo to it's creators. Of all the 'services', it's the one that admittedly doesn't pay it's creators for content whatsoever outside of a few cents for ad views. You forgot "generates a transcript based on their incredibly lovely auto-caption system, use THAT to review the content of a video, demonetize the video based on incorrect captions, make the creator fight to get the video re-monetized (thereby missing out on the crucial 48-hour window after a video comes out), but keeping the ads on the video so YT gets paid." That money is supposed to go into escrow, and released when the demonetization is lifted, but without knowing the actual formula, who knows if it actually is or not?
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We Got Us A Bread posted:It's about spooky stuff (https://www.youtube.com/@ReignBot, we're on a break right now doing other stuff) although my wife was a baker for a Japanese bakery for a while, so she does have bread experience. My av comes from a love of Japanese pro wrestler Satoshi Kojima, and his love affair with bread. Subbed! I used to follow a similar channel but I quit when it became apparent they were using AI and text to speech. They were also cloning their channel to get more views or something. I thought it was weird.
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Microbrew IPAs are beer enshittifcation, I used to be able to get things like Paulaner Salvator or Maredsous 8 in liquor stores all over Memphis, now you get beers as strong as those in gas stations but they're all IPAs that taste like Pine-Sol and come from fly-by-night microbreweries from the south and midwest. There are a million different IPAs with garish labels and stupid meme lol names, jacked-up ABVs and a fuckload of hops to conceal their grain flavors (probably a bunch of them are partly or mostly corn). Each one has a hazy version and a juicy version and an even stronger version, and they all taste roughly the same. "It's local!" It's poo poo, it's pretentious malt liquor that tastes even worse than actual malt liquor and doesn't have the honesty to admit it's cheap garbage to get drunk to like malt liquor does, so I just drink Mexican beer now because nothing is better within 10 miles of here 
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euphronius posted:Just move to wine my fiend gently caress that, a drinkable bottle of Chardonnay is like $18 and it only goes up from there, bad wine is torture and I would rather drink cheap liquor because at least I would have to taste a whole lot less of it
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AARD VARKMAN posted:After they kill the ad blockers the Premium subscriptions will rise for a quarter or so and level off, and I expect it'll become Limited Ads and we'll get Premium Plus (full no ads) for $6 more a month. That'll get the numbers up for another quarter out of the most dedicated Until the next quarter, of course.
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GolfHole posted:Youtube's ads are going to come from the same server as the video feed itself, similar to things like Twitch. It won't be possible to block them until ad blockers become sophisticated enough to somehow predict ads, recognize them, and accurately transpose the video to the point where the in-line ad 'ends' and/or offer you some sort of other 'break' screen while YouTube demands its ad timer expire. Undoubtedly even if ad blockers become this good, they will be easy to mitigate by advertisers and YouTube itself by changing small elements at any time in the way ads are presented or otherwise caught. for the record I use a twitch ad blocker for tampermonkey called https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/419066 it works fine and it has always worked fine. I think at most when the ads run it changes from 1080p to 720p and then back again. ALSO SUPER IMPORTANT!!! always check the sticky on /r/uBlockOrigin/ example: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/173jmog/youtube_antiadblock_and_ads_october_09_2023/ it's true that a zillion dollar company like google has the upper hand but the mouse is going to get away from the cat at some point. just like it has always been
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GolfHole posted:Youtube's ads are going to come from the same server as the video feed itself, similar to things like Twitch. It won't be possible to block them until ad blockers become sophisticated enough to somehow predict ads, recognize them, and accurately transpose the video to the point where the in-line ad 'ends' and/or offer you some sort of other 'break' screen while YouTube demands its ad timer expire. Undoubtedly even if ad blockers become this good, they will be easy to mitigate by advertisers and YouTube itself by changing small elements at any time in the way ads are presented or otherwise caught. It may go through that point, but it's unsustainable I can't see the mythical Normal Person putting up with that for long. And even if they somehow did, next year's profit growth would require things to become yet worse. I suspect that the worst-case coping strategy would simply be, "wait for the worst to pass".
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Hazy IPA is a plague, robbing us of shelf space that could have good beer on it.
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ads vs blockers will be an arms race until it gets to a breaking point where people either stop using the service altogether or organized mass piracy starts happening, i'd imagine. seems like a big waste of time/money/effort/hardware to me, but  i guessWe Got Us A Bread posted:It's about spooky stuff (https://www.youtube.com/@ReignBot, we're on a break right now doing other stuff) although my wife was a baker for a Japanese bakery for a while, so she does have bread experience. My av comes from a love of Japanese pro wrestler Satoshi Kojima, and his love affair with bread. ay nice, i've been subbed to yall for awhile now
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RuBisCO posted:holy moley I think you just changed my life Edit: The existence of the apps, I mean. Not your life. Well, both I guess. anatomi fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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withak posted:Hazy IPA is a plague, robbing us of shelf space that could have good beer on it. Yeah, “North Eastern IPA”’s are the only beer I cannot drink besides Sours, and I can drink some Sours. I bought one that disguised the fact it was a NEIPA and angrily poured it down the sink and never bought anything from the company again.
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Atopian posted:Until the next quarter, of course. "Next" quarter? There is only the perfect Now, the future isn't real my friend
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withak posted:Hazy IPA is a plague, robbing us of shelf space that could have good beer on it. never got the appeal. so many choices just to fund out it’s 90% IPAs
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Easy to make and dumping a ton of oats in to make it hazy covers up poor brewing technique. There are some legit good breweries that just make a couple NEIPAs to fund their actual good beers but chances are that new brewpub that just popped up out of nowhere overnight and has nothing but hazies, pastry stouts, and syrupy sours is a VC-backed scam.
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IPAs ruined beer culture just like all those bourbon assholes and now there is peanut butter bourbon or some poo poo. If you want to get hosed up take a shot and then drink a good beer as your normal instead of SUPER DOUBLE 24 HOUR IPA RASPUTIN BOMB WITH HABANERO or whatever.
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DrPossum posted:I got grandfathered into youtube premium for 8/mo for getting google music 100 years ago and I'm waiting for that to die Woolie Wool posted:gently caress that, a drinkable bottle of Chardonnay is like $18 and it only goes up from there, bad wine is torture and I would rather drink cheap liquor because at least I would have to taste a whole lot less of it You can get 4 bottles of wine in a box for $20 or less and I swear it's good, yeah it's a blend but it stays fresher even. I mostly mess with Cabernet Sauvignon black box, but all our friends agree it's good.
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