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mcmagic posted:The idea that you can wreck QB's is bullshit. I really, really wish I had the ability to side step into the universe where instead of Mahomes spending his first year starting under Andy Reid throwing to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce, he was starting under John Fox throwing to Kendall Wright and Josh Bellamy.
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Oct 11, 2023 16:46
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Yes, by having a lovely OL and scheme, and/or not coaching him to get the ball out faster when the LT is, by design, slowing down the pass rusher he is facing by diving at his feet instead of blocking him. drat coaching and scheme preventing him from throwing to the wide open man. 
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Oct 11, 2023 16:47
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Ches Neckbeard posted:drat coaching and scheme preventing him from throwing to the wide open man. Let me be clear I dont think Rodgers is without fault on that play, but others are at fault too. sweet thursday posted:The idea that a toxic or incompetent workplace can't ruin a worker is pretty funny. Happens all the time, why wouldn't it happen in sports?
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Oct 11, 2023 16:54
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Yes, by having a lovely OL and scheme, and/or not coaching him to get the ball out faster when the LT is, by design, slowing down the pass rusher he is facing by diving at his feet instead of blocking him. You can't play a football season at QB and not take some hits no matter how good your OL is. It wasn't even that hard a shot.
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Oct 11, 2023 16:56
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sweet thursday posted:The idea that a toxic or incompetent workplace can't ruin a worker is pretty funny. Happens all the time, why wouldn't it happen in sports? Does a toxic workplace ruin typically ruin a worker for the rest of their career? If a junior accountant spends a couple of years at a bad firm, are they rarely able to become a good accountant in a better environment?
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Oct 11, 2023 17:00
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AndrewP posted:You should watch some Jags games, he makes awesome throws a lot and he’s got a really great connection with Calvin Ridley Not to mention the insane amount of drops, feet out of bounds, and other shenanigans from his receiving corp. If you cut the Jags errors in half they would look like the top team in the AFC.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:01
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mcmagic posted:You can't play a football season at QB and not take some hits no matter how good your OL is. It wasn't even that hard a shot. AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Let me be clear I dont think Rodgers is without fault on that play, but others are at fault too. fsif posted:Does a toxic workplace ruin typically ruin a worker for the rest of their career? If a junior accountant spends a couple of years at a bad firm, are they rarely able to become a good accountant in a better environment?
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Oct 11, 2023 17:03
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:In the post you quoted I said he should be coached to get the ball out. I think it is pretty widely known that Jets offensive coaches are regarded as bad and I made a post about bad coaches ruining good QBs. Rodgers was good. He may still be. We dont know because the offensive coaching on the Jets is terrible. He hosed up. It happens. It's not always on the coaching.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:09
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Aaron Rodgers is a 20 years veteran QB with 2 MVP's in the past 4 years on a team whose entire staff bent over backwards to get him in the door. Ignoring everything else we know about him what about that says guy who is going to listen to coaches? Comparing him to Alex Smith and Nick Foles is laughable.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:09
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Alex Smith was suddenly good with good coaching in SF and then especially so in KC after he was traded. Nick Foles was good then bad then good again as his coaching changed. Isn't that actually a counter argument to the idea that a QB could be "ruined" by bad coaching? Like Alex Smith's early bad coaching didn't stop him from eventually becoming good.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:09
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:In the post you quoted I said he should be coached to get the ball out. I think it is pretty widely known that Jets offensive coaches are regarded as bad and I made a post about bad coaches ruining good QBs. Rodgers was good. He may still be. We dont know because the offensive coaching on the Jets is terrible. The Jets might have the worst QB coaching in the history of football, but 39 year old Aaron Rodgers doesn't need coaches to tell him he needs to get rid of the ball. If he's getting hit, it's cause he can't see it coming or has lost the arm speed to get rid of it. He drat well knows the protection on a play and how much time he's supposed to have.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:15
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This really sucks. I knew he was gonna do well in the NFL but even I didn't think he'd kill it like he has been
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:
I dunno the game against the bills he looked awesome
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Oct 11, 2023 17:18
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I don't even care about the Dolphins but this freaking sucks. That guy was having a damned year for himself.
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fsif posted:Isn't that actually a counter argument to the idea that a QB could be "ruined" by bad coaching? Like Alex Smith's early bad coaching didn't stop him from eventually becoming good.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:24
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Since this is mainly Jets chat on the QB thing (although you could do that with...many teams) someone remind me of the plan with the Mark Sanchez Red Light Green Light thing. I just remember that being something they tried, I don't remember the implementation other than people making fun of it.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:26
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fishing with the fam posted:I really, really wish I had the ability to side step into the universe where instead of Mahomes spending his first year starting under Andy Reid throwing to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce, he was starting under John Fox throwing to Kendall Wright and Josh Bellamy. I think Mahomes would have been at least fine somewhere else because his accuracy was always bananas good. But I think where he landed - under Andy Reid with the best TE and the best WR in the league - is a maybe the best case scenario of what can happen when talent + situation + coaching match up perfectly.
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Grittybeard posted:Since this is mainly Jets chat on the QB thing (although you could do that with...many teams) someone remind me of the plan with the Mark Sanchez Red Light Green Light thing. I think he also tried it to Geno Smith at some point. He also brought in Joe Girardi to teach Sanchez how to slide feet first. Diva Cupcake fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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Oct 11, 2023 17:32
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I think there's exceptions to any rule, but I fully believe situations ruin QB's. Like yeah, probably nothing would've turned Lance into something, but you probably could've dumped the majority of 1st round QB's from the last decade with Andy Reid and gotten a good franchise QB out of them, you could've dumped almost any successful one on the Bears and they'd end up dogshit, broken shells of men.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:33
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sweet thursday posted:The idea that a toxic or incompetent workplace can't ruin a worker is pretty funny. Happens all the time, why wouldn't it happen in sports? Surely it call be solved by whacking it in the stall at work, right? Asking for a friend.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:37
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AndrewP posted:I think Mahomes would have been at least fine somewhere else because his accuracy was always bananas good. But I think where he landed - under Andy Reid with the best TE and the best WR in the league - is a maybe the best case scenario of what can happen when talent + situation + coaching match up perfectly. Mahomes would have been fine on any team except the bears
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Oct 11, 2023 17:39
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a neat cape posted:Mahomes would have been fine on any team except the bears This would have been the Bears coached by John Fox, and there's a chance Mahomes is good enough for him to keep his job and he's still coaching the Bears. So maybe actually a bullet dodged in a certain way.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:45
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Uh I don't agree with this. Dude is old. It was a routine tackle. He was gonna get hurt eventually if he was that fragile, just bad luck that it happened on the 5th play of the season. No amount of "coaching" was going to change this. Not that you can really predict this kinda thing ahead of time, but Rodgers had had like 4 or 5 seasons of having calf issues. That Achilles was gonna pop sooner or later no matter what.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:50
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Watson has a rotator cuff contusion and casual googling says that's 6 months. Medical goons, are the Texans about to get a top 5 pick from the browns? How hard do I laugh at this stupid broken team? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10092859-report-deshaun-watson-day-to-day-with-rotator-cuff-injury-ahead-of-browns-vs-49ers
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Oct 11, 2023 17:53
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Watson has a rotator cuff contusion and casual googling says that's 6 months. Medical goons, are the Texans about to get a top 5 pick from the browns? How hard do I laugh at this stupid broken team?
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Idea: Browns should trade for Kirk Cousins to compete in a potentially compromised AFC North before the team gets decimated next season with guys leaving in free agency and Watson's cap number spikes. Kirk for a 2nd rounder. Or maybe a third and a future third or something.
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Oct 11, 2023 18:07
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I hope he’s okay. It’s insane what a running back with Olympian speed and Fox nfl graphic vision can do in this offense
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Ran too fast, leg fell off. Many such cases
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Amy Pole Her posted:I hope he’s okay. It’s insane what a running back with Olympian speed and Fox nfl graphic vision can do in this offense Yeah, a fun player to watch. I'm still rooting for Mostert as a Niners fan, and I've sort of adopted his backup as well. Stuff like this. This is the first play of the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ClQpmBnBQ&t=39s LOL, of course it happened against the Jets.
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fsif posted:Does a toxic workplace ruin typically ruin a worker for the rest of their career? If a junior accountant spends a couple of years at a bad firm, are they rarely able to become a good accountant in a better environment? I mean, yeah, people get burned out and stop giving a poo poo all the time. Or the bad habits/practices they learned under bad management stick around even when they go under new management.
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Looking at the Russ contract on a lark and I didn't realize the Broncos actually have an out coming up. 2024: $17m base salary, fully guaranteed 2025: $37m base salary, fully guaranteed only if he's on the roster at the beginning of the new league year. Broncos can cut him and "only" have to deal with a dead cap hit of.... $85m next year. Could theoretically trade him and a pick to get him off the books, and the new team either negotiates a deal to make that 2025 number not stupid or just cuts him and pays $17m for a draft pick.
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I'm sure they don't truly care about results, only money, but if they did the new Broncos owners have to be wondering exactly how this situation came to be. And maybe applying some slight pressure while staying out of the way to Payton on the idea of firing Vance Joseph. Not that Payton is really rolling in glory himself, but well, things are much worse on one side of the ball and he doesn't care about that side.
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mllaneza posted:Yeah, a fun player to watch. I'm still rooting for Mostert as a Niners fan, and I've sort of adopted his backup as well. Thats the cardinals
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Kalli posted:Looking at the Russ contract on a lark and I didn't realize the Broncos actually have an out coming up. Problem is Russ is actually playing well now
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fsif posted:Does a toxic workplace ruin typically ruin a worker for the rest of their career? If a junior accountant spends a couple of years at a bad firm, are they rarely able to become a good accountant in a better environment? An accountant doesn’t really have a finite window of time before their skills rapidly decline Like with anything in football it’s a mix of factors. Sometimes you don’t spend anything on your O-line and your potential HOF QB gets too hurt and just quits. Sometimes your QB is taught some bad habits they can’t break. Maybe they skate by on talent but the coaching staff never teaches them how to refine their game so they have something to fall back on when the athleticism slips. Occasionally they have some potential but by the time they hit FA they’re damaged goods and no one is going to take them seriously as a starting QB again. You can argue about whether they are truly wrecked or not but ultimately there is 100% a difference between getting coached by someone like Reid early in your career versus, just picking a name out of a hat, Frank Reich.
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bows1 posted:Thats the cardinals Oh right, the Jets were in the first play in the clip.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Jets, Niners and Texans. It's Shanahan and his two DCs. Chart is cool although it's doing the squished Y axis thing where the peak is 12% and the majority are like 6%. So this is probably a difference of twice a game at the extremes? "Hey Joe" by Jimi Hendrix was not meant as literal step by step life advice, my man
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a neat cape posted:Problem is Russ is actually playing well now I'm also wrong anyway, OTC rolled a guaranteed option bonus into SB so the numbers are wrong. Broncos are on the hook for a guaranteed $24m Option bonus next year, so it'd be damned tough to find a buyer for that monstrosity.
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