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CainsDescendant posted:The new D&D movie with Chris Pine is in the Forgotten Realms and it's a hoot. No real appearances from any of the various novel characters, though The Paladin was originally going to he Drizzt and WotC fought really hard to keep it that way. But the people making the movie refused to add anything about the Drow in due to the racial tones.
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El Grillo posted:Fellowship is around 170,000 words even with the Tolkein verbiage. That includes (as someone else pointed out) obviously-not-required stuff like Crickhollow, Bombadil etc. El Grillo posted:https://www.vulture.com/article/wheel-of-time-season-2-showrunner-explains-adaptation-choices.html
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CainFortea posted:Not really no. There's only about 2 "generations" of people in the main story books. iirc the main story only spans about 20ish years or so. Just googled, and admittedly way more books have been written since I stopped reading. But I was talking about how the first trilogy is the ninth pass, and there's a trilogy written during the first pass 2,500 years before that, Dragonseye written 250 years after that first pass, Moretta written 1,550 years after the first pass, etc. The timeline is all over the place. But you're right, it's not nearly as bad as I thought.
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Wait, there's a trilogy after Dragonsdawn? Interesting, I thought that one was far and away the best book.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Wait, there's a trilogy after Dragonsdawn? Interesting, I thought that one was far and away the best book. Sorry, I said that wrong because I was reading how Wikipedia listed it weird. I was referring to the short story collection here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Pern:_First_Fall They had it listed like this: quote:Dragonsdawn (1988)
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Oct 11, 2023 19:48
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was pern the tent peg series?
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ChubbyChecker posted:was pern the tent peg series? I'm not sure what tent peg in this context means but it's the one with the telepathic dragons who are bonded for life to humans to burn space fungus in the sky
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Pern is hard. There’s a couple of believable collections but the first problem is cgi. It’s a big task to get believable character dragons, much less extras as dragons, and there are a lot of dragons and fire lizards. You can’t even cut them because that’s what the audience is here to see. Other series wide problems regardless of cycle: Time travel is hard on audiences. Telepathy is hard to portray. Consent and Age related issue abound. The lessa cycle specifically has to address lessa’s age, her circumstances, search, the various mating flights, Brooke, and actual kidnapping/rape/other-extremely-unpleasantness. The audience for this one is hard, because you are almost certainly R rated in the text. The jaxom cycle isn’t formalized, but let’s say it’s white dragon until the obvious resolution of the big project. There’s a lot there, and good news a bunch of it is inside laboratories which are effectively huts, so you don’t need a billion cgi effects of fighting thread unlike “set in a literal volcano caldera with dragons flying by constantly and going to dragon school as lessa’s books. All is not lost for gorgeous and expensive vistas, ruatha/landing/TheHall and the fire lizards are all over. You’re also still going to have some unpleasantness that needs to be expositioned at a minimum, as well as difficulties with the age of various characters. What you save not having to budget for aerial dogfights, volcano habitat, and multiple consent violation liability insurance you probably lose having to wrangle it all together into a single cohesive through line without the Lessa chapters to anchor the start alongside a flock of fire lizards. Maybe. The moretta stuff is compelling in the wake of Covid and nowhere else, you needed to be stealth shooting this already to hit the obvious window. First landing is a hard film. The cgi budget is probably Avatar, and the story itself isn’t a clean genre fit. There is no clear overarching protagonist either. The Harper hall books and the dolphin books are oddly easier to fit, but I don’t know what their audience draw would be like. To be clear, I’d be interested in seeing pern if only for the red star scenes, but I don’t doubt much wiser movie people than ai have looked at it and gone, nah. Anias fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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I mean, the age stuff is easy. Everyone is now older. Done. WoTshow shows that's a very easy and good solution. But yea, you're gonna have a lot of dragons on the screen, and even if you have a whole inhouse shop to do good dragon CGI that's still a poo poo ton of CGI. And really this series about one of the only times you could do "sound effect covered characterless voice over" and have it work, since dragons don't talk a lot and tend to have similar voices of their riders.
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Oct 11, 2023 20:27
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I'd love to see Patricia Wrede or Tamora Pierce adaptations
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I've read like a dozen Pern books and my faint memories of it is the draw was following teenage protagonists that then settled down with Dragons and each other. Like I don't remember it being particularly exciting but you just wanted to know how the characters were doing, like fantasy Facebook
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ChubbyChecker posted:was pern the tent peg series? https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Tent_Peg_Statement Yes
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Robin Hood's Assassin Apprentice books should be a shoe in for a good adaptation. Limited environments, not concerned with high fantasy really but character based emotional arcs and the resolving of emotional trauma. They're good books.
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Holy poo poo I didn't know this was referencing an actual thing.
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Lmao Idk I'd do dragonsdawn as an ensemble but I remember a lot of those books being pretty weird so I don't think you'd sell it
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i really wish that this genre wasn't filled with creeps
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ChubbyChecker posted:i really wish that this genre wasn't filled with creeps Humans are creepy and as something awful has repeatedly shown if you take good notes and keep us talking no matter how well intentioned we all may be eventually someone is going to post badly and double down on it. Anne is dead now, not much else to say. Newer writers try to do better.
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Anias posted:Humans are creepy and as something awful has repeatedly shown if you take good notes and keep us talking no matter how well intentioned we all may be eventually someone is going to post badly and double down on it. Anne is dead now, not much else to say. Newer writers try to do better. Oh also the whole "if your dragon has sex so do you" thing can literally just be dropped entirely. It has no plot relevance that can't be set up in the story by just having characters being who they are. Kylara can still just be an rear end in a top hat.
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I would ask why so many fantasy book series end up having weird sex things in them but we all know the answer
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It's so funny to hear presumably straight people say gay sex is too good, no one can resist it
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CuriousSymptoms posted:I would ask why so many fantasy book series end up having weird sex things in them but we all know the answer It's basically all book writers though. I mean, look at Sci-fi and period historical writers. It's just different flavors of weird.
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In my day you had to read 300 pages of dudes named Anders and magic wolves named Ambrosia to get fetish smut, now you just have google. Gen Z has it too easy
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socialsecurity posted:The issue to me is the first season is the only real way to show the Two Rivers folk as "normal" before the crazy poo poo really starts happening to them, we should of had way more episodes of all that. We should have good idea of most of their personalities and convictions by then, instead of them mostly standing around gawking at things happening around them, looking at you Rand/Perrin. The original script for the first episode was two hours showing a lot of that before Amazon told Rafe he had to cut it to an hour. I think you can find that script online somewhere.
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CuriousSymptoms posted:I would ask why so many fantasy book series end up having weird sex things in them but we all know the answer People who write a gigantic escape world have weird tendencies, who knew
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:People who write a gigantic escape world have weird tendencies, who knew I'm suddenly reminded of that angry thumb-shaped fatass who everyone laughed at because he went on a screaming rant about how he played video games to escape from all the oppressive gender and sexual diversity in the real world that never gave allegedly straight cis rear end a second's peace and literally everyone was like "*inhales*... Buddy"
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theblackw0lf posted:The original script for the first episode was two hours showing a lot of that before Amazon told Rafe he had to cut it to an hour. If anyone comes across this, I’d like to read it.
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Grundulum posted:If anyone comes across this, I’d like to read it. http://tvwriting.co.uk/tv_scripts/2021/Drama/Wheel_of_Time_1x01_-_Leavetaking.pdf
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Thanks. It's really fascinating this used to be in the first episode, which means the "who is the dragon" seems like a mystery added later. quote:RAND
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Thank you for this. Starting with Gitara Moroso was an interesting choice. Equally interesting was the decision to have Gitara tell young Moiraine that her mission was to find the Dragon Reborn…and kill them. There’s definitely a lot more characterization present, but I don’t think I like this version more than what we eventually got. Also,  (emphasis in original)quote:Then we see Perrin’s wife, Laila. She watches Perrin watch Egwene, and it’s 100% clear on her face -- she thinks her husband‘s in love with another woman.
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Yeah, it was pretty clear to me that Laila thought Perrin was pining for Egwene.
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Thank you. Saving this for later.
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Grundulum posted:Starting with Gitara Moroso was an interesting choice. That also lets you be more subtle with Moiraine while still keeping a Dragon mystery if you want it, and so on and so forth.
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bio347 posted:Honestly, if you don't want to cold open with the original prologue, I don't hate doing it with this. Start the show with Gitara yelling, dying, Siuan and Moiraine look at each other, smash cut to Emond's Field. Yeah, I'd be onboard with that. Cast a powerhouse to come in and nail that passage and set the tone. "He is born again! I feel him! The Dragon takes his first breath on the slope of Dragonmount! He is coming! He is coming! Light help us! Light help the world! He lies in the snow and cries like the thunder! He burns like the sun!"
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Pern was the book where they burned sperm in the air right
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Democratic Pirate posted:Pern was the book where they burned sperm in the air right Space mushrooms that consumed all organic material. But yes.
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I’m trying to remember a depressing as gently caress series I read when I was young…gay protagonist with a magic horse? Another of her series was weird and had Griffins and poo poo. I just remember them being very dark and sad.
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KilGrey posted:I’m trying to remember a depressing as gently caress series I read when I was young…gay protagonist with a magic horse? Another of her series was weird and had Griffins and poo poo. I just remember them being very dark and sad. Was the author Mercedes Lackey? She's got a novel series with gryphons and another one with magic horses.
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CainFortea posted:Was the author Mercedes Lackey? She's got a novel series with gryphons and another one with magic horses. Yes! She’s the one. I don’t remember a lot of it but just some really loving grim torture scenes and just being depressing. I think the books were good but that’s all that’s stuck with me.
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Dark Lord of Derkholm could be a fun movie or series.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Dark Lord of Derkholm could be a fun movie or series. Too much of Diana Wynne Jones is both underappreciated and would make excellent adaptations.
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