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Reoxygenation
Dec 8, 2010

if wishes were fishes fuck you this is my pie
Maybe if you limited it to this thread it wouldn't but I don't know if I'm ready to throw down money to bed on that tbh

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SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


Reoxygenation posted:

Maybe if you limited it to this thread it wouldn't but I don't know if I'm ready to throw down money to bed on that tbh

Listen I know we joke about jaegerx hooking but please think of Clammie's feelings when you suggest that his SO may be out making ends meat and getting paid for it


edit: meat

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


My onlyfans of me struggling through golang is up to 30 subs. I’m also smearing peanut butter and jelly on me thought

Justin Credible
Aug 27, 2003

happy cat


Internet Explorer posted:

A very smart friend of mine quit their job about 4 months ago without anything else lined up and they've applied to 300 jobs with no luck so far. I'm all for quitting if it's weighing on you, but at the same time you might want to make sure that's really the case and that you can't just coast.

The other side of it - and I learned this in very very clear terms after I left my last job - is no amount of money is worth your mental health. If you're in a bad mental state because of job poo poo you gotta get out of it.

Just doing nothing and forcing them to fire you wouldn't be the worst way tbqh

Reoxygenation
Dec 8, 2010

if wishes were fishes fuck you this is my pie

SyNack Sassimov posted:

Listen I know we joke about jaegerx hooking but please think of Clammie's feelings when you suggest that his SO may be out making ends meat and getting paid for it


edit: meat

a truly (un)fortunate typo

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Justin Credible posted:

The other side of it - and I learned this in very very clear terms after I left my last job - is no amount of money is worth your mental health. If you're in a bad mental state because of job poo poo you gotta get out of it.

Absolutely, and good point. That's what I was alluding to when I said I'm all for quiting if it's weighing on you. But it absolutely deserves to be said more specifically.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


i am a moron posted:

Bonuses are quarterly and they’re poo poo because our metrics are unreasonable now. One of the many, many things I’m not happy about. I am kinda considering just flipping to a 1099 and telling them I’ll only work projects I want to and won’t do their horseshit unqualified presales work anymore.

What kind of metrics do you need to hit? In the past, my goal was a minimumof 1,600 hours billed a year. If you went even a little under you might as well look for a new job. If you went beyond, your bonus could double or triple plus stock.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Justin Credible posted:

The other side of it - and I learned this in very very clear terms after I left my last job - is no amount of money is worth your mental health. If you're in a bad mental state because of job poo poo you gotta get out of it.

Just doing nothing and forcing them to fire you wouldn't be the worst way tbqh

Having no money is a great shortcut to no mental health though

I'd definitely do the bare minimum at work while job hunting if it was me

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib
I'm at an MSP rn but may be moving on to .... work for a client directly? Anyone done this? Is it a poo poo idea? edit: like be poached.

ziasquinn fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Oct 12, 2023

Blurb3947
Sep 30, 2022

Gort posted:

Having no money is a great shortcut to no mental health though

I'd definitely do the bare minimum at work while job hunting if it was me

After being let go from a job from a mindless job that paid well I will generally agree. But the benefit is you can go on state assistance and now my doctor visits and therapy sessions are like $3 out of my pocket.

But really I'd rather have a paycheck and struggle mentally than dealing with this poo poo and no job.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


ziasquinn posted:

I'm at an MSP rn but may be moving on to .... work for a client directly? Anyone done this? Is it a poo poo idea?

MSPs are fine. The thing is there are hundreds of them and they are often a dime a dozen with owners/managers who often cheap as hell or just bad at business.

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

What kind of metrics do you need to hit? In the past, my goal was a minimumof 1,600 hours billed a year. If you went even a little under you might as well look for a new job. If you went beyond, your bonus could double or triple plus stock.

Individual metrics are easy to crush, the unrealistic company/division metrics are what gently caress it up and are also kinda ruining the company

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


i am a moron posted:

Individual metrics are easy to crush, the unrealistic company/division metrics are what gently caress it up and are also kinda ruining the company

Gotcha. I've seen similar things in other companies especially during hiring where it's sold you could get a huge bonus but you quickly realize the number isn't big because they want to give you money but that no one would ever it.

Hooverbagel
Aug 10, 2010

Hooverbagel bytes
Any current or past Apple Community Specialists here?

I was an OG community specialist (helped start the team in 2013), and before that I did consumer, developer, and enterprise support out of Austin, TX started in 2009.

Old haunts include Trace 4, Riata Vista, Parmer Lane... my support community handle was "jeremy_v"

I quit 2 years ago and finally dealt with my work burn out enough to commiserate about IT wage worker life.

Sup?

tortilla_chip
Jun 13, 2007

k-partite
E: wrong thread

tortilla_chip fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Oct 12, 2023

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school
Dinosaur Gum
Probably should have asked here first before accepting a job offer but what’s IT going to be like in a hospital? Sounds like it’ll be very niche working on medical equipment that’s on the network and most anything else will be out of my scope

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Doctors don't care about what's in or out of your scope.

Reoxygenation
Dec 8, 2010

if wishes were fishes fuck you this is my pie
I will second that they do not care, nor do they care to learn either. Even if it would save them time to learn as to not have to bother everyone with it and take 3 days to fix simple things.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.

Gort posted:

Having no money is a great shortcut to no mental health though

I'd definitely do the bare minimum at work while job hunting if it was me
Money can't buy happiness, but lack of money can buy a whole lot of stress.

The Fool posted:

Doctors don't care about what's in or out of your scope.
So much this.

ilkhan fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Oct 12, 2023

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Ya know how when poo poo goes bad in IT you can always say, "well we're not saving lives"?

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

Hotel Kpro posted:

Probably should have asked here first before accepting a job offer but what’s IT going to be like in a hospital? Sounds like it’ll be very niche working on medical equipment that’s on the network and most anything else will be out of my scope

I think we have several hospital IT Goons in the thread. I worked clinical informatics for several trauma hospitals and loved it. Your work can, and will, affect the outcome of patient care. I miss having meaningful work, especially compared to what my current job is which is doing jack poo poo.

Good luck!

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Hotel Kpro posted:

Probably should have asked here first before accepting a job offer but what’s IT going to be like in a hospital? Sounds like it’ll be very niche working on medical equipment that’s on the network and most anything else will be out of my scope


The Fool posted:

Doctors don't care about what's in or out of your scope.

More than likely you'll also not be working on *actual* medical equipment unless you are getting a job with biomedical. At my job (field engineer, not help desk) it's a mix of PC hardware, thin clients, workstation-on-wheels, basic configuration/building of Cisco/zebra phones in Call Manager (as well as Apple/Zebra MDMs), AD/MEMC, and working with the departments and vendors to procure replacement IT equipment. I also have at least one "my PC doesn't work" monitor turned off issue so take those as easy freebie tickets to close. You'll also probably have to work somewhat with Epic, but at least for my hospital they have their own team.

The most important thing is be understanding and patient with people who are not the most tech literate; this group will include basic admin staff to doctors who know that IT is not their strong suit but do want X to just work.

Edit: Also, you're in one way or another helping people get better, so you have a real purpose even if it's something small like swapping out a broken mouse.

BadOptics fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Oct 12, 2023

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Hotel Kpro posted:

Probably should have asked here first before accepting a job offer but what’s IT going to be like in a hospital? Sounds like it’ll be very niche working on medical equipment that’s on the network and most anything else will be out of my scope

Like most jobs it's going to depend on the org. I worked with a guy that did some time at Seton hospital system in Austin, and it was a nightmare of red tape to do anything done. If a doctor wanted his printer moved to the other side of his office, which involved changing a port or patch cable on a switch he said it was 2 months of bullshit and meetings and CAB approvals. The doctors didn't understand how a simple request took so long (which is reasonable). He said he'd never work healthcare IT again.

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

skipdogg posted:

Like most jobs it's going to depend on the org. I worked with a guy that did some time at Seton hospital system in Austin, and it was a nightmare of red tape to do anything done. If a doctor wanted his printer moved to the other side of his office, which involved changing a port or patch cable on a switch he said it was 2 months of bullshit and meetings and CAB approvals. The doctors didn't understand how a simple request took so long (which is reasonable). He said he'd never work healthcare IT again.

Jesus. Yeah in our org it would have been maybe a week and that's only because our printer support is contracted out. Also there's a difference between how private hospitals are run and one's like mine that are owned by the county/city.

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



skipdogg posted:

Like most jobs it's going to depend on the org. I worked with a guy that did some time at Seton hospital system in Austin, and it was a nightmare of red tape to do anything done. If a doctor wanted his printer moved to the other side of his office, which involved changing a port or patch cable on a switch he said it was 2 months of bullshit and meetings and CAB approvals. The doctors didn't understand how a simple request took so long (which is reasonable). He said he'd never work healthcare IT again.

I can see this totally, but the consultant in me sees an opportunity for impact in the org. I would wretch and escalate as politely but forcefully as I could muster with my lead and CTO executives, and hopefully change that system to require fewer approvals for low risk changes. But if that failed an exit would be a reasonable step.

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school
Dinosaur Gum

BadOptics posted:

More than likely you'll also not be working on *actual* medical equipment unless you are getting a job with biomedical. At my job (field engineer, not help desk) it's a mix of PC hardware, thin clients, workstation-on-wheels, basic configuration/building of Cisco/zebra phones in Call Manager (as well as Apple/Zebra MDMs), AD/MEMC, and working with the departments and vendors to procure replacement IT equipment. I also have at least one "my PC doesn't work" monitor turned off issue so take those as easy freebie tickets to close. You'll also probably have to work somewhat with Epic, but at least for my hospital they have their own team.

The most important thing is be understanding and patient with people who are not the most tech literate; this group will include basic admin staff to doctors who know that IT is not their strong suit but do want X to just work.

Edit: Also, you're in one way or another helping people get better, so you have a real purpose even if it's something small like swapping out a broken mouse.

Yeah the job description talks a ton about medical equipment, it sounded like it was IT stuff for the biomedical team. Of course they also snuck in preventative maintenance/ calibration which is lol because I’ve been doing that poo poo for 12 years but it’s a remote position with some time in the hospitals that’s got paid travel time. I’m looking forward to having a few days at home during the week, this commute time sucks

I’m not even sure how much time I’ll be dealing with patients and hospital staff, it may be almost none

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





I'm currently dealing with a doctor who is willing to blow up an acquisition deal because he wants to keep is precious Macs while we are otherwise a 99% Windows shop. He likens himself as an IT professional as well as a doctor. His Macs of course are not managed in any way shape or form and have zero security standards put in place. He uses an open source PACS solution and the cabling they have in the clinic is dog poo poo.

Doctors are the worst and I hate working with them.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
The medical field is desperately in need of talented technology workers to update the sclerotic and aging systems that directly contribute (among many other things) to high healthcare costs and poor patient outcomes. If the pay is good, I think there’s lots of opportunity for finding meaning and passion in the work that you do, and your work is literally contributing to saving lives.

The downside is your work is literally contributing to saving lies.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Yea all the old people who know RPG on the AS400 those hospitals run on are dying in those hospitals.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


I posted in the job fair thread

klosterdev
Oct 10, 2006

Na na na na na na na na Batman!

tokin opposition posted:

lol, I take it the Gmail was so that they could not put their name on it.

If not lmk and I'll lend you big DEI energy to get them shitcanned because lol saying that poo poo in 2023

We're pretty sure we know who did it, we discovered that late at night a user forwarded the internal email to a different external Gmail account and then 20 minutes later that email hit the CEO.

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Hotel Kpro posted:

Probably should have asked here first before accepting a job offer but what’s IT going to be like in a hospital? Sounds like it’ll be very niche working on medical equipment that’s on the network and most anything else will be out of my scope

My experience resulted in me learning about healthy work/life balance and quitting. I was making entry level pay to write reports (financial, medical, and HR), write translation code between medical devices and the EHR db, automate processes, write new web apps, maintain intranet site, lead projects to migrate departments from McKesson STAR to Epic, create new and maintain existing apps that use Access as the front end, be tier 3 tech support, handle monthly backups, and be on call. I probably left out a couple things, too.

IT director asked what it would take for me to stay. I told him double my pay, double the amount of workers, spread out on call duty a bit more, and let me work from home 2-3 days a week. He wished me a happy and lucky future and I’ve never considered going back to healthcare since.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Kibner posted:

I told him double my pay, double the amount of workers, spread out on call duty a bit more, and let me work from home 2-3 days a week. He wished me a happy and lucky future and I’ve never considered going back to healthcare since.

Read this as spread out on call of duty a bit more which is good advice

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy
Oh, one of the high ranking executives at that hospital complained that one of the reports I automated to send to her had #### in the date field. I had to create documentation on how to expand columns in Excel.

They then wanted us to spend time creating a new process to transform the csv’s our database reporting system put out into an Excel document that would already have all the columns expanded.

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy
Oh yeah, I forgot! During the migration to Epic, we were not allowed to take PTO without a doctor’s note. The migration took either 1-2 years, I don’t remember anymore. I decided to quit once I fell asleep at a friends house while hanging out, having one of their dogs give birth while laying on top of me, and I just plain didn’t care. Let them know about it and then moved to crash on the recliner, instead. gently caress that hospital and every executive there.

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"

The Fool posted:

I posted in the job fair thread

How low is the low six figures :thunk:

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"

Kibner posted:

I decided to quit once I fell asleep at a friends house while hanging out, having one of their dogs give birth while laying on top of me

Okay I can’t figure out how to do GIFs on this accursed website, pretend I posted the one from ITYSL where Tim Robinson is going ‘what the hell’

The rest of that sounds psychotic but I’m really interested in you being a birthing table for a dog

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Hotel Kpro posted:

Yeah the job description talks a ton about medical equipment, it sounded like it was IT stuff for the biomedical team. Of course they also snuck in preventative maintenance/ calibration which is lol because I’ve been doing that poo poo for 12 years but it’s a remote position with some time in the hospitals that’s got paid travel time. I’m looking forward to having a few days at home during the week, this commute time sucks

I’m not even sure how much time I’ll be dealing with patients and hospital staff, it may be almost none

Hospital IT goon here.

Sounds like biomed to me, not with a company called Crothall is it? Maintenance/calibration is def more on the biomed side than the straight hospital IT side. We generally don't touch that kind of stuff.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


i am a moron posted:

How low is the low six figures :thunk:

I don't know what the actual range for the position was, but I was hired at the same level 3 years ago for $125k base. We don't do stock compensation but they really play up the bonuses as part of the compensation package.

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BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Kibner posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot! During the migration to Epic, we were not allowed to take PTO without a doctor’s note. The migration took either 1-2 years, I don’t remember anymore. I decided to quit once I fell asleep at a friends house while hanging out, having one of their dogs give birth while laying on top of me, and I just plain didn’t care. Let them know about it and then moved to crash on the recliner, instead. gently caress that hospital and every executive there.

Working in IT 3.0: The dog giving birth on me wasn't the worst of my day.

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