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Splorange posted:What the gently caress would anyone want St Petersburg for.. much less the area between Finland and St Petersburg. A forward operating base to lob shitillery (artillery filled with poo poo) at Putin’s head.
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Oct 12, 2023 16:41
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Splorange posted:What the gently caress would anyone want St Petersburg for.. much less the area between Finland and St Petersburg. Every day Finns wake up and their first thoughts are of Viipuri
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Oct 12, 2023 16:41
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Charlz Guybon posted:There's no way they would dare. So much of the Russian army is in Ukraine or dead that the Finns could waltz in and seize St. Petersburg if war broke out. I mean, we're not starting a shooting war with Russia unless they literally shell one of our cities or something. And even then not one of the lovely ones like Helsinki, but one of the ones everyone loves, like Turku.
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Oct 12, 2023 16:46
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The population of the entire country of Finland is approx 5 million, while the population of St Pete the city is about 5 million, so I'm not sure exactly how the logistics of Finland conquering it would work in practice In unrelated news, Putin is a huge piece of poo poo
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Oct 12, 2023 16:54
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jaete posted:The population of the entire country of Finland is approx 5 million, while the population of St Pete the city is about 5 million, so I'm not sure exactly how the logistics of Finland conquering it would work in practice The logistics would be that the people of st. Petersburg would look at columns of finnish vehicles and go "new boss, same as old boss", then carry on.
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Oct 12, 2023 16:56
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Read a delightful twitter thread earlier today about how Russia's economy is actually out performing pre war economy. Let's see 66% nuking of Rubles value to the Dollar 16% interest rates despite having 5% inflation. Either the inflation state is lying or using high interest rates to make entities buy your currency. Either way lol lmao Over 50% drop in oil related exports due to...drum roll...sanctions Refined product refineries are mostly in stand by due to exporting crude oil is more profitable and a loss for refined products. The reason it's a loss to sell refined products internally is becasuse prices are capped at inflation so very little is being made so there is a diesel/petrol shortage. Nice double own on fudging inflation numbers if that did happen. China and India buys crude oil at the price they set which is lower than market value. They also pay for it Rupees and Yuen rather than Ruble which would help out a lot. Russia has no choice but to sell to them. BRICS in it together spirit. The best of friends. Russia had to ban nearly alll of its diesel and pertrol exports due to shortages (refineries not running). This is costing $270m per day in lost revenue. Only Belarus, Armenia (lol), Kazah and one other can import it within limits. There is currently a year on year deficit which shows no sign of changing by the year out. Russia usually runs in the black and dumps it into soverign wealth fund. Soverign wealth fund is getting hammered trying to increase the Rubles value (and failing currently) and prop up the economy. Estimates it will run out next year from publically avaliable data. Lots of cases of the army not being paid. Health budget is being reduced by around 20ish% Armed forces budget is increasing. Not to increase production or R&D but it needs to increase to offset 18 months of inflation lmao. Power of Siberia 2 pipeline being built to China with a flow rate of 10% of Nord Stream buut at a much higher cost. It does to me look like Russia's economy is stronger than 18 months ago. Don't you agree?
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Oct 12, 2023 17:17
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You’re not factoring in all the owned Libs and stolen terlets
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Oct 12, 2023 17:22
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I wonder what % of GDP stolen washing machines makes up?
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Oct 12, 2023 17:30
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Splorange posted:What the gently caress would anyone want St Petersburg for.. much less the area between Finland and St Petersburg. Channeling Mearsheimer or some similar dipshit: "It is only understandable that the territory of St. Petersburg and its surroundings should serve as a buffer zone to meet Finland's security needs in the face of Muscovy's expansionist policy, furthermore..." Dwesa fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 17:30
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Tai posted:Russia had to ban nearly all of its diesel and petrol exports due to shortages (refineries not running). At the rate of Russian armor destruction over the last few days, the need for fuel has lessened. So yes, I agree. The economy is getting stronger.
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Oct 12, 2023 17:55
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Looking 12 months, the Russian economy is going to double from the appreciation of interest on bread loans. The west just doesn't get this one neat trick to boost your revenue
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Oct 12, 2023 18:12
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:A forward operating base to lob shitillery (artillery filled with poo poo) at Putin’s head. How do you miss "shartillery", smh
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Oct 12, 2023 18:14
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the popes toes posted:At the rate of Russian armor destruction over the last few days, the need for fuel has lessened. So yes, I agree. The economy is getting stronger. Local hegemon discovers one weird trick to reduce carbon emissions!
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Oct 12, 2023 18:14
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Vaginaface posted:How do you miss "shartillery", smh Lots & lots of weed
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Oct 12, 2023 18:17
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The surviving oligarchs are doing much better economically than the ones who are falling out of windows.
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Oct 12, 2023 18:22
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If Russia invades it can't be worse pillage than with the current cabinet. 
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Oct 12, 2023 18:34
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Neutrino posted:The surviving oligarchs are doing much better economically than the ones who are falling out of windows. Russian physicist calculates that the rate of constant acceleration of a falling oligarch is independent of their weight, kickstarting Russian science into a renaissance.
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Oct 12, 2023 18:35
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:I mean, we're not starting a shooting war with Russia unless they literally shell one of our cities or something. And even then not one of the lovely ones like Helsinki, but one of the ones everyone loves, like Turku.  Ban this sick filth.
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Oct 12, 2023 18:47
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If Finland is ever invaded I would have to imagine that my country of Sweden and our neighbours Norway and Denmark would immediately join their efforts at the very least Scandinavia nowadays, despite poking fun of eachother constantly, is really tightly knit together
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Oct 12, 2023 19:11
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Tai posted:It does to me look like Russia's economy is stronger than 18 months ago. Don't you agree? If one squints hard enough so as to only look at the industrial fish cubing and industrial fish cubing accessories sector, then yes. Economically speaking, things are running like a well oiled fish cubing machine.
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Oct 12, 2023 20:38
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jaete posted:The population of the entire country of Finland is approx 5 million, while the population of St Pete the city is about 5 million, so I'm not sure exactly how the logistics of Finland conquering it would work in practice IF, and this is a big IF, we ever would go to a shooting war with Russia and were in a position to advance to make the war about Russia wrecking their own turf, we would at max take the Sortavala-Käkisalmi-Vuoksi river line, maybe Vyborg along with major bodies of water to reduce the length of the front we need to defend at south. and make Russian go over lake Ladoga or River Vuoksi to attack our positions. It is also within the "old Finland" lost after WW2 but this entire scenario is 100% Clancy-chat. Zzulu posted:If Finland is ever invaded I would have to imagine that my country of Sweden and our neighbours Norway and Denmark would immediately join their efforts at the very least Yes. This was the hopeful strategy even before joining NATO, and now that we all are in (Sweden still in the lobby sorting out their room arrangements) this is what would definitely happen with EU+NATO help or without it. Russia could have a realistic chance to overcome us by sheer numbers had they done their 3-day operation to us instead of Ukraine, but now it is absolutely impossible for them to win this front. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 20:43
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jaete posted:The population of the entire country of Finland is approx 5 million, while the population of St Pete the city is about 5 million, so I'm not sure exactly how the logistics of Finland conquering it would work in practice Isn't it more like 7 million? Also, FDF seems to hold the largest artillery in Europe. While I'm not an optimist at all, that in itself might suggest a worth while capacity to defend and counter against the one enemy they've been solely focusing on, like since at least WW2. I mean you are pointing at the obvious question of logistics and at St petersburg in particular, but even so, let's keep in mind Prigozhin managed quite well with significantly less, lol
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Oct 12, 2023 20:45
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Russia attacking Finland is deep into Clancy Chat. That buildup would be impossible to hide, and it would draw in the entire EU because an incursion into the EU is an existential threat for the vast majority of member countries. The Baltic would get locked down hard, the Russian air force would cease to exist, at least one European nuclear power would be involved…
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Oct 12, 2023 21:32
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The comedy option being that Germany and others again saying that since they don't trust the Finnish government they will only give us smart weapons that can be used to shoot targets only inside Finland.
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Oct 12, 2023 21:36
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Why would they, when they are directly involved? An invasion of an EU member means Germany is at war.
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Oct 12, 2023 21:42
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Tai posted:Read a delightful twitter thread earlier today about how Russia's economy is actually out performing pre war economy. didnt read
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Oct 12, 2023 21:47
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Antigravitas posted:Why would they, when they are directly involved? An invasion of an EU member means Germany is at war. Well, comedy option, but A) they do the same to Ukraine that is fighting for its existence and B) so that we don't break something important while defending ourselves so that Russia can sell cheap gas and oil to France and Germany after the war is over. Personally, seeing how the war in Ukraine started I have no faith in the current German or the French governments to do the right thing, unless they are forced, coaxed or ridiculed to do such things. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 21:48
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That seems more like the "I live in an alternate universe" option. Again, an invasion of an EU member means at the very least France and Germany and the Benelux are at war.
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Oct 12, 2023 21:58
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Der Kyhe posted:Personally, seeing how the war in Ukraine started I have no faith in the current German or the French governments to do the right thing, unless they are forced, coaxed or ridiculed to do such things. If you think macron was a milquetoast lib who had to be shamed in front of the class to deliver some Caesars and storm shadows you're gonna loving love how président le Pen handles Russia.
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Oct 12, 2023 21:59
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Antigravitas posted:That seems more like the "I live in an alternate universe" option. If you think that the way how the French and German governments responded to the invasion didn't put a serious dent or second thoughts to every Russia-bordering EU-member countries head about the security they actually deliver, it is you who lives in the denial, my goon associate. It isn't by chance that both Finland and Sweden abandoned their "inside EU but outside NATO"-policies.
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Oct 12, 2023 22:05
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This argument is irrelevant because Germany and Finland are both in NATO. The EU thing would be relevant for major military powers like Ireland I guess.
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Oct 12, 2023 22:37
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aren’t they right now in NATO?
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Oct 12, 2023 23:22
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naem posted:aren’t they right now in NATO? Ireland isn't no. I also wouldn't call them a major military power tbh.
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Oct 12, 2023 23:39
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spankmeister posted:Ireland isn't no. I also wouldn't call them a major military power tbh. 
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Oct 13, 2023 00:02
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Isn't The Finland just a made up country anyway? Has anyone ever met a Finn? I haven't
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Oct 13, 2023 00:02
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RDM posted:Isn't The Finland just a made up country anyway? Everyone who has is buried 6 feet down at the border.
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Oct 13, 2023 00:27
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RDM posted:Isn't The Finland just a made up country anyway? Finland is just populated by the moomin
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Oct 13, 2023 00:30
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Do we regard Russians who bought cheap houses in Crimea as settlers?
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Oct 13, 2023 00:45
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No serious responses to that question allowed
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Glad that one's settled then.
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