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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Frosted Flake posted:

lol we’re so hosed it’s not even funny

rediscovering dual use technology

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/denmark-buys-a-bankrupt-munitions-factory/

quote:

Denmark sold the AMA factory, founded in the 17th century, in 2008 for € 2.41 million to the Spanish ammunition manufacturer Expal. The factory continued to produce weapons and provided services to the country’s Ministry of Defense as one of its main customers.

This lasted until 2020, when, after several years of losses, EXPAL decided to close the facility and liquidate it completely. The site and the remaining infrastructure were sold to a group of private investors who decided to reorganize the area into a technology park.

The defunct Denex facility in Elling consists of 50 buildings on an area of 18,000 square meters and was bought by the Danish Ministry of Defense’s real estate agency for € 2.6 million.

MassTran
Feb 27, 2015

Frosted Flake posted:

lol we’re so hosed it’s not even funny

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Slavvy posted:


I thought it was questionable that the smart gun troops were the ones sent in to clear small rooms though


It's a Vietnam metaphor

GrunkleStalin
Aug 13, 2021
Why is the conversation around Taiwan about an invasion instead of Berlin Airlift 2: South China Boogaloo?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Because china bad

Much like Russia does things out of spite and evil instead of real reasons, china would invade Taiwan because they're evil

GrunkleStalin
Aug 13, 2021

Lostconfused posted:

But you can try very hard to do it anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w5FNux8ez8

WHAT loving CONSUMER?!?!?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

GrunkleStalin posted:

WHAT loving CONSUMER?!?!?

The discerning, and very premium, warfisumer

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Admittedly, buying Chinese drones, slapping an Bald Eagle on them and selling them to the DoD at a 50x markup isn't the worst grift it the world.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/mobinfiltrator/...genumber%3D1580

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Imagine how many artillery shells you could have bought instead of that thing?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Hey sarge the robot dog ain't got no charge.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Just like everything in the military they are going to take it out for training, use it for a while, forget to do pmcs on it, store it, break it the next time they take it out and then just have it rust in a warehouse waiting to get repaired.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

A platoon of robot dogs vs a battalion of 120mm spg's with a twenty thousand shells of HE, who would win?

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

dystopian ai gun dogs alas have nothing on dji drones with explosives

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Slavvy posted:

A platoon of robot dogs vs a battalion of 120mm spg's with a twenty thousand shells of HE, who would win?

All of the robot dogs have rendered unserviceable while in storage owing to all the fancy high tech materials degrading over time. The shells can sit in a box for decades.

SPGs win by default due to a no show.

Watch a dankpods YouTube video where he opens up ancient mint condition MP3 players. Some of the materials break down and get really nasty, even when still sealed. Unless those robot dogs are all metal inside and out they're going to go bad. It's just physics.

DancingShade has issued a correction as of 06:15 on Oct 13, 2023

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

Lostconfused posted:

So what you're saying is that China can easily turn all that excess industrial capacity to military production if for some crazy reason there's a huge drop in consumer demand?

lmao that decoupling trade from China gives them less reasons to not gently caress with the US

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

hurriedly googling 'how to replace javelin battery' as a t90 rumbles up to my trench

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

Imagine how many artillery shells you could have bought instead of that thing?

None, lmao.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

genericnick posted:

None, lmao.

Correct answer. They're back ordered for the next decade or two.

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Lostconfused posted:

So what you're saying is that China can easily turn all that excess industrial capacity to military production if for some crazy reason there's a huge drop in consumer demand?

Frosted Flake posted:

lol we’re so hosed it’s not even funny

not really

china has a no first use policy

america is the only country to ever demonstrate that it has a first strike policy

we're all boned

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Frosted Flake posted:

lol we’re so hosed it’s not even funny

Russia, just with the legacy economic organization and structure from the Soviet Union, a far cry from those days in many different views, was able to marshal its economy in a much shorter timeframe with inconceivable results to the Western financial analyst eye.

China, which has a thorough structure of government planning and organization led by a functioning communist party that has been carrying consecutive five-year plans for a while now?

Turns out that there's a panel in the room where the Central Committee gathers. In that panel, there's a big red button with Mao's face in it. If Xi slams that button, Full Total Maoism Overdrive is enacted and complete central planning goes active in the country with the largest industrial base, means of capital production and industrial proletariat in the world

it does seem that it could be put into making massive amounts of any sort of stuff needed pretty loving quick and with plenty of acceleration to boot, lmao

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Their shipyards are nearly all dual-use, and I am pretty sure there are contingency plans for the rest of it.

Honestly, the only real thing they are lacking is oil and iron.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1712587642565542088

it is time for just-in-time maintenance and logistics

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

quote:

The working group found that the Army was also still relying on outdated, manual ways of doing maintenance.

“A lot of these processes are still paper-based and we know they shouldn’t be,” Marsh said. As technology improves and proliferates the Department of Defense and its services, the advent of AI-based predictive maintenance will also play a role, he said.

AI-based predictive maintenance

never has such a terrifying combination of words has been uttered

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Ardennes posted:

Their shipyards are nearly all dual-use, and I am pretty sure there are contingency plans for the rest of it.

Honestly, the only real thing they are lacking is oil and iron.

If only there was a ready supply of both adjacent to China. Alas.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1712543309657419977

"the mold in your housing is just a you problem"

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Danann posted:

AI-based predictive maintenance

never has such a terrifying combination of words has been uttered

i loving love neoliberalism

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

DancingShade posted:

If only there was a ready supply of both adjacent to China. Alas.

Yeah there is endless debate because "no way" could rail handle most of it when in all honesty, China is importing a ton of scrap metal and sitting at least some of it. Remember a while back there was a controversy that China was just smelting nickel for "no reason" and it shouldn't count towards their growth? Metal can be stockpiled indefinitely. Otherwise, yeah and the Russians are right there.

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Also maintaining vehicles on "usage" probably is just a sign they are going to let more and more of their vehicles "go." I don't think preforming basic maintenance on a vehicle every 6 months is really that unnecessary unless your just going to ignore it because of manpower issues and bloated costs. I imagine it is probably going to affect equipment for the National Guard and reservists the most.

It is saying something too compared to how aggressive the US is being at the moment.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:55 on Oct 13, 2023

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1712543309657419977

"the mold in your housing is just a you problem"

this clip is so much more ridiculous than any quote can do just to

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Danann posted:

AI-based predictive maintenance

never has such a terrifying combination of words has been uttered

Eh, it's cool if you have something like a large electrical/internet network. Also for a billion dollars I'll build one for the Pentagon. Something like [Angry mails from the mechanics] -> Deep Neural Network -> Your poo poo is broken, fix it

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1712587642565542088

it is time for just-in-time maintenance and logistics

It's not just good, it's good enough!

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Orange Devil posted:

It's not just good, it's good enough!

If you squint it's all kind of okay.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Russia, just with the legacy economic organization and structure from the Soviet Union, a far cry from those days in many different views, was able to marshal its economy in a much shorter timeframe with inconceivable results to the Western financial analyst eye.

China, which has a thorough structure of government planning and organization led by a functioning communist party that has been carrying consecutive five-year plans for a while now?

Turns out that there's a panel in the room where the Central Committee gathers. In that panel, there's a big red button with Mao's face in it. If Xi slams that button, Full Total Maoism Overdrive is enacted and complete central planning goes active in the country with the largest industrial base, means of capital production and industrial proletariat in the world

it does seem that it could be put into making massive amounts of any sort of stuff needed pretty loving quick and with plenty of acceleration to boot, lmao

I know it's not exactly the same thing but covid showed up and they built a hospital in ten days. I'm pretty sure they could shift to a war footing just fine.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Orange Devil posted:

It's not just good, it's good enough!

there's no need for maintenance if we dont have the vehicles

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

I'm sure the MIC is pitching single use military hardware. You don't have to do maintenance if you just throw it away when it breaks! Think of the savings!

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Full Total Maoism Overdrive

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Palladium posted:

there's no need for maintenance if we dont have the vehicles

New maintenance regime: Wrap vehicle or equipment in large oily rags. Ensure item is covered with tarpaulin in case of roof leakage. Turn off lights and close door. Seal vehicle or equipment bay with caulk gun. Disconnect power to building.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1712587642565542088

it is time for just-in-time maintenance and logistics

adding this to my dying_empire_vibes playlist

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1712543309657419977

"the mold in your housing is just a you problem"

A grenade in your hootch (during ww3, of course) is a you problem, sir.

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