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cr0y posted:Do we have any idea who just had their child kidnapped by George Santos NYPost says it was one of his staffers.
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Nephthys posted:NYPost says it was one of his staffers. Nothing in the rule book that says a baby can't work for Congress!
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Nephthys posted:NYPost says it was one of his staffers. If the staffer voluntarily gave the baby to Soros, do you think child services should be involved?
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Push El Burrito posted:Nothing in the rule book that says a baby can't work for Congress! Hey, it’s a better candidate for Speaker than a lot of the names that have been floated
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Nervous posted:If the staffer voluntarily gave the baby to Soros, do you think child services should be involved? George Santos, in his capacity as head of child services, will dismiss the case against himself. E: lol missed “soros” and read Santos instead.
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The that that Santos is _my_ congressman makes me ill.
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I mean it is funny but you're also watching in real time as Republicans yet again rebel because their guy didn't want to use his frankly slim amount of procedural authority to completely upend American governance for an indeterminate amount of time. 'Don't bring a budget to the floor, slow roll all bills for weeks or years to bring the government to its knees' may not be as blatant as 'make Pence overturn the election' but it's still trying to find ways to weaponize procedure. I'm not sure what the solution to that is.
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Mendrian posted:I mean it is funny but you're also watching in real time as Republicans yet again rebel because their guy didn't want to use his frankly slim amount of procedural authority to completely upend American governance for an indeterminate amount of time. 'Don't bring a budget to the floor, slow roll all bills for weeks or years to bring the government to its knees' may not be as blatant as 'make Pence overturn the election' but it's still trying to find ways to weaponize procedure. I'm not sure what the solution to that is. Ultimately, some of the people in Congress are bad faith actors; they vary from wanting something that they don't have anything remotely close to the power needed to enact, to not caring if it all burns down, to actively seeking the destruction of Federal power. If there's a system which can overcome this kind of rot among the people elected to it, I'm certainly not aware of it. Once they have some power, zealots and lunatics can always find procedural means to screw things up to some degree if they really want to, and the remedy has typically been that the central mass of a given party knows how to handle the kooks and never let them near anything important in the first place.
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Well now, this is sure one way to win friends and voters. Say your guy is going to get in because moderates "Don't have a spine". https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1712981083250209269 Now, normally, I'd agree with them, but really, this attitude is not going to win him any friends and/or votes.
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Bugsy posted:They arent going to even try today. So what I'm hearing is that the next meeting is a great time to use the McGriddle bribery maneuver.
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SirFozzie posted:Well now, this is sure one way to win friends and voters. Say your guy is going to get in because moderates "Don't have a spine". https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1712981083250209269 That's actually a decent point he's making, but he's forgetting that there's a third option, which is deadlock until the next election.
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mannerup posted:funny part of this whole ordeal is how it just amplifies Pelosi’s reputation for whipping votes even with a slim majority, aspiring speakers in the room can’t even whip votes for themselves in conference But Pelosi benefited from having a caucus that is nominally rational and open to the concept of negotiation. Not even the worst Blue Dogs came close to the myopic nihilism of the far right in the current GOP.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's actually a decent point he's making, but he's forgetting that there's a third option, which is deadlock until the next election. Deadlock is the 200ish option. Before that is every other member of the Republican caucus. Plus the moderates generally are smarter than the suicide caucus, so they're probably doing dumb calculus to set up the triumphant return of McCarthy.
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Louisiana governor’s primary today.   We’ll see if there’s a runoff or not.
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Silly Burrito posted:Louisiana governor’s primary today. Even if there's a runoff, I think we're gonna end up with a terrible governor in every gulf coast state.
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Ayudo posted:Even if there's a runoff, I think we're gonna end up with a terrible governor in every gulf coast state. Happens every year ending in a whole number.
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Silly Burrito posted:Louisiana governor’s primary today. I'm going after work. Somehow, I've never met a Landry I didn't end up hating but I have a sinking feeling we're going to end up with squinty DeSantis in the governorship with a GOP run state house. We could be a great state but can't stop sticking our collective face in the leopard cages.
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It's not over yet, but it looks like Landry may win without even a runoff. drat.
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Looking good. https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1713304128733286602
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The Palmer Report just makes poo poo up for lefty clicks. You really need to learn to check sources. Do you want help?
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Mendrian posted:I mean it is funny but you're also watching in real time as Republicans yet again rebel because their guy didn't want to use his frankly slim amount of procedural authority to completely upend American governance for an indeterminate amount of time. 'Don't bring a budget to the floor, slow roll all bills for weeks or years to bring the government to its knees' may not be as blatant as 'make Pence overturn the election' but it's still trying to find ways to weaponize procedure. I'm not sure what the solution to that is.  Just a thought (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Just  at the idea that Jim Jordan's candidacy is so powerful that Republicans are asking for help defeating him. It's only slightly less ridiculous than claiming that Mitt Romney is begging Schumer for help to keep Ted Cruz from winning the annual Most Popular Senator award. The dysfunctional disaster that is the House Republican Caucus doesn't just empower the most insane members. 5 "moderate" Republicans can also team up to keep the absolute lunatics from running the asylum. And if Scalise can't convince enough people to vote for him, then there's no way an even less likable shithead is going to do it.Besides, the idea that Democrats are going to get huge concessions in exchange for their King Making votes is fantasy. Anything they get is going to have to be arcane enough that it's hard for primary challengers to rise up and incite the Republican Base. No Republican who has anything to do with official power sharing, let alone Speaker Jeffries, is going to have a job in 2025. The best that Democrats can get is a change to the rules that lets them put forward bills for a vote without being blocked by the Speaker or Committee Chairs. Because an esoteric path for an up or down vote while Republicans continue their circus for the cameras is a manageable unconscionable betrayal of God and Country in the 2024 primaries.
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Silly Burrito posted:It's not over yet, but it looks like Landry may win without even a runoff. drat. The Louisiana Democratic Party is loving pathetic. I live in a district with a socialist state house rep who is often at odds with the state party, and the state party decided to recruit a centrist Dem to primary her and dumped a bunch of money into the race, and they got completely dump trucked today. They can't even win their own primaries anymore. They spent over $100,000 to get 25% in a loving state rep race. They didn't do poo poo for Shawn Wilson and it's clear it they'd put up a tenth of a fight we'd at least have a runoff for governor The party chair is a goddamn conwoman who needs to be gone yesterday. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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I expect it will roll into shutdown, some less-crazy/more-business republicans will eventually be convinced that selling themselves as cross-aisle negotiation 'get-er-done' mavericks will work and do a temporary rules change and longer term status-quo preserving CR with democratic votes, leopards will eat their faces in the next GOP primaries, and they will retire to corporate lobbying. Government employees and people dependent on social safety net (SNAP, FQHC hospitals, ...) will get harmed in the meantime.
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PostNouveau posted:The Louisiana Democratic Party is loving pathetic. I live in a district with a socialist state house rep who is often at odds with the state party, and the state party decided to recruit a centrist Dem to primary her and dumped a bunch of money into the race, and they got completely dump trucked today. They can't even win their own primaries anymore. They spent over $100,000 to get 25% in a loving state rep race. Completely agree. Another sad thing in general: 35.8% turnout. That’s just pathetic.
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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I personally doubt that negotiations with the Democratic side of the house are ever going to happen, but I do believe that Jordan is done-zo. https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/15/politics/jim-jordan-house-republicans-speaker/index.html quote:One senior Republican House member who is part of the opposition to Jordan told CNN that there he believes there are roughly 40 “no” votes, and that he has personally spoken to 20 members who are willing to go to the floor and block Jordan’s path if the Ohio Republican forces a roll-call vote on Tuesday.
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It’s going to be a source of endless comedy, because even if Jim Jordan does put together the votes, all that means is that he inherits all of the same intractable problems that pulled Mcarthy down with the added benefit of having pissed off the Scalise-aligned AND Mcarthyite wings of the party. We’re definitely getting a government shutdown.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:We’re definitely getting a government shutdown. Yep. Other than the financial carnage borne by government employees etc that are innocent, I'm morbidly fascinated to watch a situation unfold where our House of Reps not only ousted the speaker for the first time in history, but they may literally never elect a replacement the entire term. Scags McDouglas fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Oct 15, 2023 18:18
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Has there ever been a US House coalition government between the minority party and some salty members of the majority to elect a speaker
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Scags McDouglas posted:Yep. I don’t think the country can make it to January 2025 without passing legislation of any kind. For one thing, a >1 year government shutdown will end in mass resignations and the complete collapse of the federal bureaucracy. The last shutdown ended when it looked like all civilian air activity was going to halt. Can’t wait to see what exerts enough pressure to end this one
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haveblue posted:I don’t think the country can make it to January 2025 without passing legislation of any kind. For one thing, a >1 year government shutdown will end in mass resignations and the complete collapse of the federal bureaucracy. The last shutdown ended when it looked like all civilian air activity was going to halt. Can’t wait to see what exerts enough pressure to end this one I complete agree that the results would be so catastrophic that it basically "can't be allowed to happen", but if you asked me to articulate one believable scenario where a speaker is installed I'm totally out of ideas. Unstoppable force meets unmovable object I guess.
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I think I’ve posted about this before, but there’s no way the party/donors don’t have life-destroying dirt on Gaetz and Marjorie the Gathering, if not the others, that’s on the level of what ruined Madison Cawthorn (phone video of him face-loving his cousin while hooting and baying).
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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If poo poo got really bad, I feel like you might be a able to peel off a few Republicans for a rule change to plurality vote. It wouldn't be directly voting for a Democratic speaker and it might force a unified Republican vote, but either way it would break the deadlock.
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