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Burns posted:What does murz mean with "war of 888"? Heil double Hitler.
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Oct 13, 2023 20:41
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Karate Bastard posted:Something that's stuck with me is that yes, we're lucky they're so loving stupid, but on the other hand, if they weren't so loving stupid, all the way up, they wouldn't be there in the first place. They wouldn't be sent there, without training. Of course they're loving stupid. It's not lucky. It's a loving tragedy. It's a loving tragedy they're so loving stupid. Well when you put it like that you're right, it isn't lucky. It's loving hilarious
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Oct 13, 2023 21:20
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zone posted:
This was good read. I guess the Russians continue to favor brute force as it's a strategy that can be applied immediately? They can't really take time off to train and seem to be all in on the sunk cost fallacy of putting heads to concrete.
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Oct 13, 2023 21:27
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weg posted:This was good read. I guess the Russians continue to favor brute force as it's a strategy that can be applied immediately? They can't really take time off to train and seem to be all in on the sunk cost fallacy of putting heads to concrete. I feel like if RuAF paused for long enough to actually train up a competent and equipped cadre that Ukraine would be able to break through in that lull in reinforcements. As it is it seems like they're barely holding on and trying to seize the initiative in any way they can.
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Oct 13, 2023 22:01
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Responding to the months-long Ukrainian summer offensive by husbanding some reserves and then using them to launch a counteroffensive in another part of the line is a perfectly solid strategy - so long as you pick a weak spot in the line and hit that. It sounds like the Russians did just the opposite of that by picking a strongpoint to try and crash through. Dumbasses.
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Oct 13, 2023 22:07
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FMguru posted:Responding to the months-long Ukrainian summer offensive by husbanding some reserves and then using them to launch a counteroffensive in another part of the line is a perfectly solid strategy - so long as you pick a weak spot in the line and hit that. It sounds like the Russians did just the opposite of that by picking a strongpoint to try and crash through. They would unironically have likely fared better if they committed everything they had to the Kupiansk axis instead. As it is, the losses from this moronic attack have already far surpassed what happened in Vuhledar and are the single most catastrophic in the war so far. e: in other news, another piece of junk was shot down on the eastern front https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1712892801027805396#m zone fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Oct 13, 2023 |
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Oct 13, 2023 22:48
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Solid start to another weekend of airframe losses. Love it. Cannot wait to see the return of painted canvas triplanes to the Russian armoury.
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Oct 13, 2023 23:10
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1712940611446161535#m GLSDBs are seemingly soon on the way.
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Oct 14, 2023 00:08
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Data Graham posted:Lol @ the "9 women and 1 month" thing being a universal joke This is a bad and kinda obscure r/relationships thread in-joke
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Oct 14, 2023 00:47
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CannonFodder posted:You need 18 women and 1 month to make twins I appreciate and understand it. Thank you.
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Oct 14, 2023 01:20
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Hello friends, I've been out of the picture on the war for a couple days and I thought I would give some knowledge out. Ukraine is now targeting trains and train depots in mariupol. As many of you have known me for a little while, I will presume that you know the things you laugh at me for which are the train talk of course. However, it's now happening and the main trains moving ammunition to the front have been blown up as well as train depots. In other news, Russia's is having big trouble recruiting people at this moment. I will come back to you all with more news, however разводиться has started and that's going to make combat. Very interesting. Something I'm not really sure about, and I'm going to need someone to clarify this with me. But would Western tanks fair better in the mud conditions than Russian tanks? And in my mind the Abrams is a very heavy tank so I would think it would actually fair worse. But somebody should clarify that just for the library.
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Oct 14, 2023 02:40
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Something I'm not really sure about, and I'm going to need someone to clarify this with me. But would Western tanks fair better in the mud conditions than Russian tanks? And in my mind the Abrams is a very heavy tank so I would think it would actually fair worse. But somebody should clarify that just for the library. the Leopard 2A5/6 and T-72 have similar ground pressures, so I'm not sure there's significant difference in mud traversal. However, T-pattern tanks are substantially lighter overall than their western equivalents, so it's possible they can cross bridges that would be closed to western tanks. Not to say it's fine for one side or the other, but to say rasputitsa is bad for both (when it comes to MBTs).
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Oct 14, 2023 02:51
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CannonFodder posted:You need 18 women and 1 month to make twins 
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Oct 14, 2023 03:25
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We should also talk about the fact that Russia lost a thousand troops today. Which is the most in like 3 months.
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Oct 14, 2023 03:47
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I am also curious how an Abrams handles mud because, on the one hand it’s a heavy bastard, but on the other it was designed for a WW3 European land war, so they had to consider this kind of terrain.
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Oct 14, 2023 04:21
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No tank likes mud imo
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Oct 14, 2023 04:28
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:We should also talk about the fact that Russia lost a thousand troops today. Which is the most in like 3 months. Russia seems to be a bit slow to pull their hand off the stove. If other hot messes are any indication they're not going to let up until other sectors are bleed dry. They might have been able to gently caress a local hornet's nest well past the 50th sting earlier in the war, but every source that's been posted here and other places seems to indicate that manpower and equipment is getting precarious. I'm imagining that the Kremlin's got a very similar vibe to the Fuhrer Bunker in 1944/45, where remnants of units are being flung into the meat grinder because the boss needs a win, and nobody is going to tell him it's a bad idea. By summer Putin might be hoping that
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Oct 14, 2023 04:33
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Blistex posted:By summer Putin might be hoping that joke's on him, psychic powers aren't real
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Oct 14, 2023 04:37
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Dandywalken posted:No tank likes mud imo Lots of things don't like mud. Especially mosin nagants and even the almighty AK47(if you slather the entire thing in poo poo like a slovenly goon)
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Oct 14, 2023 04:43
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The abrams will be fine. Its ground pressure is fairly low, and the turbine engine is strong enough for one abrams to recover another one that’s stuck. The real threat of the Abram’s will be the improved scopes and sensor packages- they will pretty easily kill a T-72 beyond its detection range. Russia is setting themselves up to be routed and I don’t mean OSPF
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Oct 14, 2023 04:58
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TaurusTorus posted:I am also curious how an Abrams handles mud because, on the one hand it’s a heavy bastard, but on the other it was designed for a WW3 European land war, so they had to consider this kind of terrain. This is an old favorite video of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCXwgPZXScM
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Oct 14, 2023 05:16
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USarmy.mp4
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Oct 14, 2023 05:56
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:This is an old favorite video of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCXwgPZXScM Why does the tank have a little blinking light on one side of the turret?
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Oct 14, 2023 06:47
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Why does the tank have a little blinking light on one side of the turret? I believe it indicates the tank is 'dead' for purposes of wargames/training.
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Oct 14, 2023 06:52
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karoshi posted:Theoretically, it can drop to the sea floor and wait N days until it hears the sound signature(s) it's waiting for. Every port exit/entry you must now scan the sea floor with sonar imaging to see if there's a big tube. It's not making noise and obviously it wont be on radar or visible to your lookouts. No idea if this is what they are doing or just me clancyrbaiting. so it's a mine.
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Oct 14, 2023 07:46
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1713064808025641427 Last seen begging in North Korea, may appear confused; answers to "Peter the Great."
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Oct 14, 2023 08:31
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Five years ago, the idea of Russia receiving arms aid from loving North Korea would've been the most laughable poo poo. loving wow.
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Oct 14, 2023 08:43
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It's still the most laughable poo poo just for a different reason
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Oct 14, 2023 08:53
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Something I'm not really sure about, and I'm going to need someone to clarify this with me. But would Western tanks fair better in the mud conditions than Russian tanks? And in my mind the Abrams is a very heavy tank so I would think it would actually fair worse. But somebody should clarify that just for the library. What matters for mobility on terrain (as opposed to structures like bridges) is not raw weight but the concept of "ground pressure", which is basically the weight of the object divided by the surface area contacting the ground. For a tank, this is a function of the length and width of the tracks, and is a big part of why tracks are used instead of wheels. The Abrams has a ground pressure of around 15 psi (M1A2 variant) according to public sources. A Leo 2 looks to be around 12. A T-90 also looks to be around 12. So the modern obese version of the Abrams will sink more in mud than most tanks. That might be offset somewhat by the obscenely powerful engine the Abrams carries. Gnoman fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Oct 14, 2023 10:13
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So it's a boat. Can't stop here, this is mud country.
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Oct 14, 2023 10:59
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Good guys stick together
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Oct 14, 2023 11:17
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:We should also talk about the fact that Russia lost a thousand troops today. Which is the most in like 3 months. Are they still just doing human wave assaults on Ukrainian positions, or is there something else going on? TaurusTorus posted:I am also curious how an Abrams handles mud because, on the one hand it’s a heavy bastard, but on the other it was designed for a WW3 European land war, so they had to consider this kind of terrain. The Abrams is supposed to have incredibly low ground pressure so probably pretty decently, of course with "decently" being very much graded on a curve. Nothing handles mud that well, aside from maybe other mud.
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Oct 14, 2023 11:40
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Iirc the older abrams have lower ground pressure than Leo2, but the newer ones have higher.
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Oct 14, 2023 11:56
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Are they still just doing human wave assaults on Ukrainian positions, or is there something else going on? They're still doing human wave attacks on Avdiivka and trying to stop the Ukrainians from taking Kurdyumivka near Bakhmut.
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Oct 14, 2023 12:19
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Gnoman posted:What matters for mobility on terrain (as opposed to structures like bridges) is not raw weight but the concept of "ground pressure", which is basically the weight of the object divided by the surface area contacting the ground. For a tank, this is a function of the length and width of the tracks, and is a big part of why tracks are used instead of wheels. The Abrams has a ground pressure of around 15 psi (M1A2 variant) according to public sources. A Leo 2 looks to be around 12. A T-90 also looks to be around 12. Thanks for that explanation of what ground pressure actually is. 
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Oct 14, 2023 13:31
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Are they still just doing human wave assaults on Ukrainian positions, or is there something else going on? quote:I've seen a lot of poo poo these last 18 months.
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Oct 14, 2023 13:58
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Classic russian tactics
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Oct 14, 2023 14:30
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1713064808025641427 look at those faces lol 
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Oct 14, 2023 14:33
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1713127436978675853#m Have they gone mad? They already lost a huge amount of men, equipment, and vehicles, even aircraft, trying to capture Avdiivka, and now they're making another moronic offensive towards Kupyansk.
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Swollen face guys stick together
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