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fool of sound posted:I feel like subtweeting the recommendation and violating it counts as criticism of the guidelines. It's obvious what his opinion about them is. Yeah I'm not getting why this is disappointing at all. He'll be hauled over the coals by the typical crowd for just this alone.
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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mannerup posted:Reuters has updated their article on one of their photojournalists being killed, posting the entire article Fits in with the IDF history of going "it wasn't us" whenever a journalist happens to get killed by a bullet fired from the direction of IDF troops. Happening to just accidentally kill journalists is a happy accident for them, especially when some of the wounded happen to be from Al Jazeera. https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1712859786700800142
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Testekill posted:Fits in with the IDF history of going "it wasn't us" whenever a journalist happens to get killed by a bullet fired from the direction of IDF troops. Happening to just accidentally kill journalists is a happy accident for them, especially when some of the wounded happen to be from Al Jazeera. And here's some context for the outlet Rania Khalek works for. https://www.thedailybeast.com/neville-singham-funded-breakthrough-news-is-pushing-moscow-beijing-propaganda
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Oct 14, 2023 04:54
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Discendo Vox posted:And here's some context for the outlet Rania Khalek works for. what's your point, that the murdered journalist was a russian plant?
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i say swears online posted:what's your point, that the murdered journalist was a russian plant? It's context for the mediator you're choosing to use. I think "this heinous crime was fully backed by Joe Biden" is probably a factually inaccurate piece of framing editorializing from someone who appears to serve as a proxy for the Chinese US-facing propaganda apparatus. This series of events is bringing basically every state and nonstate propaganda entity into play with every tool available, it's part of why it's so hard to get accurate information. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Oct 14, 2023 06:07
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https://twitter.com/LarryAlbertGil/status/1712920117829341270 A genocided people writing a farewell letter while the act is being conducted is perhaps one of the most perverse indictments of the West's heartlessness.
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Discendo Vox posted:I think "this heinous crime was fully backed by Joe Biden" is probably a factually inaccurate piece of framing editorializing https://twitter.com/AkbarSAhmed/status/1712860751193403683
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Biden has asked Israel to not do war crimes, but did he say anything about withholding military funds and whatnot? If not, then it's all talk
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So the NYT posted an article tonight about the level of intelligence Hamas had about the IDF targets they struck. The majority of the article is accounts of Israeli citizens and NYT formatting is terrible for a copy/paste into the forums and I am not interested in litigating Hamas actions so I am not going to post the full thing, just some relevant excerpts regarding the question I have: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-attack-gaza.html quote:The 10 gunmen from Gaza knew exactly how to find the Israeli intelligence hub — and how to get inside. So my question is about whether it's feasible that Hamas alone had that kind of specific information or if this is strong circumstantial evidence that another state actor like Iran was involved in the planning? It seems to me that having information as specific as knowing exactly where the communications servers are in IDF bases could only be obtained from actual spies. Does Hamas have that type of intelligence capability? Are they known to have actual spies in the IDF and/or do they have a known cyber espionage capability? This kind of information sounds like someone with a lot more resources provided assistance with planning the attack.
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i say swears online posted:what's your point, that the murdered journalist was a russian plant? Use more objective sources for coverage, even if it's about a murdered journalist. Sourcing political hacks that have an open agenda is trafficking in misinformation, and even 'sources' like Max Blumenthal from The Gray Zone have been unironically linked previously in this thread.
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D-Pad posted:It seems to me that having information as specific as knowing exactly where the communications servers are in IDF bases could only be obtained from actual spies. Someone has to pick up the garbage. Clean the rooms. Fix the minor maintenance issues that occur. And getting the it's probably labeled "Server room", and you won't need to be James Bond to know where the server closet probably is.
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Comstar posted:Someone has to pick up the garbage. Clean the rooms. Fix the minor maintenance issues that occur. And getting the There are no Palestinian workers on IDF bases, and in most bases the soldiers do all the work anyway. The only Arab soldiers are Bedouin and Druze, which are afforded the rank of honorary Jew. I don't know exactly what or how they got information but I doubt it's spies. At the very least not intentional ones.
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kiminewt posted:There are no Palestinian workers on IDF bases, and in most bases the soldiers do all the work anyway. The only Arab soldiers are Bedouin and Druze, which are afforded the rank of honorary Jew. I stand corrected.
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mannerup posted:According to the Associated Press it looks like a deal has been struck regarding the Rafah crossing. this is so disgusting. let the 500 lucky americans leave, the poor 2.5 million remaining civilians are fair game. where you happen to hold a passport should not matter in terms of making you a valid target.
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Oct 14, 2023 12:00
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https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1713118779780067402 The death toll in gaza has risen to 2215. 8714 people have been injured. In the west bank 54 palestinians have been killed. 1100 have been injured.
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NoModsNoMasters69 posted:this is so disgusting. let the 500 lucky americans leave, the poor 2.5 million remaining civilians are fair game. where you happen to hold a passport should not matter in terms of making you a valid target. It's just going to magnify the chaos in the Gaza Strip as well.
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https://x.com/beltrew/status/1713124289514176795?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q The UN says Gaza is now at the tipping point where it's officially running out of water. Since we're now detailing sources, Bel Trew is the Chief International Correspondent for the Independent, a vaguely centre-left British newspaper with a solid reputation for... well... independence (despite being owned by Sergei Lavrov, a Russian oligarch with ties to the governing Conservative Party). Their journalism can sometimes be a tad sloppy, but it's on the level of 'occasional factual errors and oversimplification' rather than 'deliberate, consistent bias'. Probably a reliable general follow for this conflict.
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There is no way they can get 500 Americans and another few 100 others out without 100000 more trying to escape too. Which is Israel’s plan. They want the people to become someone’s else problem so they annax the land.
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https://x.com/brian_castner/status/1712921897975837016?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Weapons investigator for Amnesty International describes how his team determined that Israel is using white phosphorous in Gaza. https://x.com/sameh_asker/status/1713092107357782161?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q UN member shows aerial footage of the gigantic aid convoys queued at the Rafah crossing, waiting for authorisation to enter Gaza.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://x.com/brian_castner/status/1712921897975837016?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Is there anyone here knowledgeable about military weapons that can explain this further to me? It looks like it’s a smoke projectile to hide their rockets, not concentrated white phosphorus that is being used to attack people. And if Amnesty International is correct, what’s the chance of these particles reaching any humans? Do they burn up instantly in the sky or can they still reach the ground/humans? Kalit fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Kalit posted:Is there anyone here knowledgeable about military weapons that can explain this further to me? It looks like it’s a smoke projectile to hide their rockets, not concentrated white phosphorus that is being used to attack people. I'm not sure what you mean by "smoke projectile to hide rockets", WP is used in "legitimate" applications for creating smoke screens for troop movements but they are firing them directly into cities, which means they are being used as incindiaries to burn out buildings.
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Kalit posted:Is there anyone here knowledgeable about military weapons that can explain this further to me? It looks like it’s a smoke projectile to hide their rockets, not concentrated white phosphorus that is being used to attack people. Why would they need to hide rockets fired in Gaza? Are they worried that HAMAS has acquired their own Iron Dome? It's not like the the Palestinians can actually do anything about a rocket once the IDF soldier pushes the button to murder innocent civilians. One use that the IDF may find for the white phosphorus is causing an immensely painful death for any innocent civilians who are trapped in the rubble of recently collapsed buildings: Wikipedia posted:White phosphorus munitions were used extensively by US forces in Vietnam and by Russian forces in the First Chechen War and Second Chechen War. White phosphorus grenades were used by the US in Vietnam to destroy Viet Cong tunnel complexes as they would burn up all oxygen and suffocate the enemy soldiers sheltering inside.[8][9] There's a very popular phrase that I think explains the rationale behind the use of white phosphorus pretty succinctly: the cruelty is the point.
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Haystack posted:Not particularly. The whole thing is obviously tragic. I agree. The thing is and what I don't understand is why on earth would you bring up another tragedy during the discussion or whatever of one that just occurred where it was especially violent? To me, it trivializes the tragedy and there's no need to do that at all. Nor does it minimize the conflict. Haystack posted:From Hamas's emotional standpoint it made a degree of sense; hurting your abuser is an attractive prospect. I can empathize with that, even if I consider what they did horrifying. But otherwise I view it from a fairly nihilistic standpoint. It's fairly obvious that Gaza's future is either eternal subjugation or cleansing. It's deeply hard to care that their abusers got some of their adjacent civilians killed in the process. In what way are ravers the abusers of Palestine? If anything, the are probably largely sympathetic to their cause. How does hurting them advance the cause of Palestinian occupation?
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CuddleCryptid posted:I'm not sure what you mean by "smoke projectile to hide rockets", WP is used in "legitimate" applications for creating smoke screens for troop movements but they are firing them directly into cities, which means they are being used as incindiaries to burn out buildings. I'm assuming they would be using them to hide rockets from radar systems? That's a wild guess on my part, so I could be 100% wrong, of course. Otherwise, I have no idea why they would be using them in tandem with their other rockets (as mentioned in that linked article): quote:The same attack can be seen from another angle in this video, where white phosphorus ammunition is seen being used in tandem with what seem to be standard high explosive artillery shells. For anyone interested, I did some more poking around and found this link related to chemical properties of WP: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK224560/. These rockets were definitely within 300m of humans, I hope for them it was of an amount < 1 mg per cubic meter  E: B B posted:Why would they need to hide rockets fired in Gaza? Are they worried that HAMAS has acquired their own Iron Dome? It's not like the the Palestinians can actually do anything about a rocket once the IDF soldier pushes the button to murder innocent civilians. One use that the IDF may find for the white phosphorus is causing an immensely painful death for any innocent civilians who are trapped in the rubble of recently collapsed buildings: I hope you understand that these smoke projectiles are way different than the WP weapons used in Vietnam.... Kalit fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Russia is using phosphorous a lot in Ukraine as well right now. Seems like modern armies love that poo poo
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:In what way are ravers the abusers of Palestine? If anything, the are probably largely sympathetic to their cause. How does hurting them advance the cause of Palestinian occupation? I don't think they're saying its logical since its prefaced with "emotional" and saying how oppressed people can feel on the inside. If anything they're saying how it can be self rationalized due to emotional state.
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https://twitter.com/SkyNewsArabia_B/status/1713165881243496497quote:Our correspondent: Egypt refused to allow American citizenship holders to pass through the Rafah crossing unless an agreement included the entry of aid into the Gaza Strip.
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Kalit posted:I'm assuming they would be using them to hide rockets from radar systems? quote:I hope you understand that these smoke projectiles are way different than the WP weapons used in Vietnam...
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Darko posted:I don't think they're saying its logical since its prefaced with "emotional" and saying how oppressed people can feel on the inside. If anything they're saying how it can be self rationalized due to emotional state. This is where I largely land on it too. I don't celebrate the deaths, but I can understand why someone who has been living in Gaza might take morbid joy from it, as horrific as it is. Same thing with "how could people vote for Hamas?" It's similar to the idea that if you really, really try to understand the psychology of the Nazis you should come to the conclusion that there would have been *some* way that they could have made you sign up. Not as a true believer, but at least enough that you wouldn't stop it. Every person on this planet has some sort of pressure point, whether its your life, your family, your job, a mental illness, or just sheer ego. It just depends on how hard they can push. Denial of that is dangerously naive and leads you to being a prime target for it. You put a Palestinian in Gaza, with all the terrors and restrictions involved, and leave them there for 40 years. Is it *that* shocking that some might take a perverse glee about Israelis getting shot? I mean, Jesus loving crist, half the USA has been watching the war in Ukraine like it's porn for the last year and making memes about dead russians over a conflict *they have no part in*. And they're doing it again for Gaza, which again, most of them have no connection to it other than they are OPFOR for a military ally!
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CuddleCryptid posted:This is where I largely land on it too. I don't celebrate the deaths, but I can understand why someone who has been living in Gaza might take morbid joy from it, as horrific as it is. Same thing with "how could people vote for Hamas?" It also helps when you've talked to people who have actually been oppressed and can listen to how much sympathy many of them have for those that oppressed them. I'm Gen X, so I could directly hear how my grandparents' peers who lived under Jim Crow felt about white people, or in going to South Africa, how much the (still) oppressed Zulu people feel about the people still oppressing them. Empathy drops a great deal for people that you feel are benefitting off of your suffering in a lot of those situations.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I agree. The thing is and what I don't understand is why on earth would you bring up another tragedy during the discussion or whatever of one that just occurred where it was especially violent? I mean, Hamas can hardly be blamed as the only one to conflate civilian and combatant.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I mean, Hamas can hardly be blamed as the only one to conflate civilian and combatant. Of course, but that not the question being asked at all.
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