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I wonder if part of the reason von Karma had such a great record is that he had enablers in the police department and prosecutors' office willing to manipulate the rules of evidence for him. Now he framed one of those people- Edgeworth- and he himself is toppled, so the co-conspirators are cleaning house. Shifting loyalties and all that. Some are obviously trying to cover for each other or their own roles in the whole mess. I'm sure Lunch Lady Starr was part of the problem, probably others also. Can we prove Gant is involved, if he is? What about Lana Skye? Innocent framed-up patsy or repentant conspirator hoping for immunity should she testify against others but unsure who has the power to move against her? Let's investigate and find out. This has been an episode of Crime Speculation- Japinfornia!
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The one time you forget to show your attorney badge, the judge asks if you're a detective. You know what you must do from now on. 
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Wonder how much the trial changes if Edgeworth had actually listened and got the report from Meekins.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Wonder how much the trial changes if Edgeworth had actually listened and got the report from Meekins. The trial probably doesn't happen in the same timeframe, or there is a request for a delay; the victim being murdered twice in two locations is a pretty major issue, and it's much more likely that Lana is innocent in this scenario. After all, she didn't transport the victim, but she did definitely know the victim was in the trunk of Edgeworth's car. Since she would be receiving a victim who had theoretically already been murdered, it would be very hard to prove that she is the actual killer in this instance. Sure, she's almost certainly guilty of several other crimes by knowingly picking up a concealed victim or body, but that's not relevant to a murder trial. The police would likely be required to find another suspect.
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It is also worth remembering that this is also post-reformed Edgeworth. The old one would probably have just sat on that info knowingly to keep his perfect win rate.
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ApplesandOranges posted:It is also worth remembering that this is also post-reformed Edgeworth. The old one would probably have just sat on that info knowingly to keep his perfect win rate. Which might be why Gant is now loving with him, since he's no longer someone they can rely on.
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Part 132: Episode 5, Day 2, Investigation: Hidden Evidence Music: Silence  We appear straight back at the office. Music: Ema Skye ~ Turnabout Sisters Theme  Uh... um, Mr. Wright! So... Sound: Realization Don't think I've forgotten that you got a phone call from your sister where she told you to check the muffler and you never told us about it. You managed to be a lot less annoying during the trial segments but you still haven't been useful yet.  I... I'm a little confused. Huh!? W-well, um... let's see. (What is going on?)   What's this "and the evidence room" part!?Sound: Whack Ema did you not pay attention to that entire last update?  I knew that timing was too specific to not come up again. ... Well... that's what we're going to find out. (Or try to, at least...) (Glad she's in good spirits, but I'm not sure she's going to be much help with this...) Sound: Realization Phoenix's face really just displays all of his thoughts, doesn't it? Music: Silence Huh? Look, we're in this together, right?quote:Original line: "Would you mind coming with me?" Just... doesn't work as well.  Let's go! Science awaits us!Sound: Light Bulb   We're taken directly to the... crime scene? Place the body was found? Whatever, here's Edgeworth's car again. Music: Ema Skye ~ Turnabout Sisters Theme  Bold statement, considering that bringing up that murder was the only thing that kept your sister from being convicted today.  (Yeah! It was only our victim who was killed in their evidence room. No biggie.)quote:Original line: "(Of course it was our victim who was killed at the Department...)" The sarcasm in the new line feels much more Phoenix-like to me.  Besides, my sister would never do such a thing! I know it... Sound: Realization  Sound: Realization I guess we're going to investigate this sequence a little further?  But why did Lana tip over the oil/water drum? Just to distract/cover up the fact that she hid the knife in the muffler? (Even though she says they don't get along, Ema really likes her sister...) That's not it at all!Sound: Light Bulb It's just... (Big words for a high school student.) Well, whether there was blood on the floor or not... The water in that oil drum washed it all away. He he heh.Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Ooh, are we going to get to play with luminol? Huh? What's that grin for? Sound: Objection L-luminol?Sound: Realization  Even if you can't see it, it's still there... But wouldn't the police have already done those tests? Sound: Whack I'm not sure how thoroughly the police would investigate a crime scene where they caught the murderer red-handed and had a confession, even if they weren't obviously involved in some kind of set-up here. Just give it a try! M-me? Why do I have to do it!?Sound: Light Bulb  (We're testing blood stains with this stuff, not drinking it...) Huh? You had an extra pair of those things?Sound: Light Bulb Music: Logic and Trick  Luminol reacts with blood to glow in a dark room. I guess I'll accept using special glasses instead as a gameplay convenience, and a fun explanation for Ema's glasses. I'll also ignore the fact that Ema was holding out on us with this spray yesterday, and just go play with it now.  Sound: Spritz  Press "Enter" to spray it on. Okay! Let's find us some bloodstains! We're brought to what looks like a specialized examine screen with a red color filter over everything.  Sound: Spritz The spray has a pretty wide area of effect, as you can see. Apparently there's no blood where the body was actually lying, though...?  Sound: Spritz Another spray seems to have fully revealed what the game wants us to examine further.  Sound: Photo Snap x 3 Not a lot of blood, is there? And nothing that looks like a footprint, either. (I can see her eyes shining behind those glasses...)Sound: Realization Music: Silence So, is this a bloodstain?Sound: Light Bulb  Ema, you're shaking.Sound: Whack  (Scientific investigation in action...) But, doesn't something strike you as odd? Scientifically speaking, of course? I know it's the second option, but the game didn't let me save here so we might as well let Ema lecture us some more. Why, the bloodstain's location of course! It's elementary!Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb  ... I suppose you might think that. Sound: Whack (There is something odd about this bloodstain...) (But if it's not the location of the blood, then maybe...) Maybe it's the amount of blood that's odd?quote:Because I like you all, I started the chapter segment over again to go back and see what the other option gives us. The previous scene gets replaced by a couple lines from Phoenix:  Sound: Light Bulb Music: Ema Skye ~ Turnabout Sisters Theme I mean... (It IS pretty strange!) (If they fought here, there'd have to have been more blood than this.)Sound: Realization Uh, h-hey, Mr. Wright! I guess that's close enough?  ...You'll do. Uh, yeah. And this stuff's pretty handy, too.quote:Original line: "Uh, yeah. That's very... useful information to have." Just... different, I guess. I saved up my allowance to buy that! Sound: Select Jingle Oddly, a bottle of luminol spray isn't actually that expensive, so a forensics-obsessed teenager saving up for some checks out. Does she have a fingerprint kit hidden away in that bag, too? We can't be sure that the police will reveal all their evidence in court.Music: Silence  Then let's drag that "hidden evidence" out into the light of day! Yeah!Sound: Light Bulb  (Guess I should give this a spray on anything suspicious.)quote:Original line: "(This luminol stuff is going to come in handy.)" The new line is a better hint to keep using the spray elsewhere.  Hah!Sound: Realization  Oh, go away. Ms. Starr!Music: Happy People  You only trust your own eyes, hm? Not bad, you two... Sound: Realization Sorry, it's just, that kind of lead in doesn't really get my mouth watering. After all that, we're finally set free to explore. And to spray everything we see with luminol.  We can use the luminol from the Court Record, with a handy "spray" button.  First, let's take a closer look at the luminol itself.  Something on the bottom?  "Ema Skye"Sound: Realization Don't tell me you bring this with you everywhere you go. (Just what kind of a world do you think we live in...?)Okay, Ema just crossed over into adorable now.  Sound: Spritz Several minutes of spritzing later...  Not too surprising we'd find some blood here. Lana's hands were bloody and we heard that the first thing she did was try to use this phone. With her bloody hands.  Sound: Photo Snap x 3 I am a big fan of the triple zoom "enhance!" on the glowing blood marks. I feel like we've entered a CSI game now. I used to love those as a kid. This blood must be from when Lana... Sound: Whack But she did call you, didn't she? At the time of the crime?Sound: Realization  ... And her right hand is bandaged. Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Whack This has nothing to do with "taking sides." (So... This means that Lana's hand had blood on it.) (This just keeps getting worse...)Eh, not sure we're really any worse off. I'm still not sure which knife Lana cut her hand on, even.  A quick look at the map shows the new blood mark is highlighted there.  Time to look around with our eyes instead of our spray bottle. I still want to get into this security room.  You can probably see quite a lot from up there. (Hmm...) Was Goodman begging to be finished off after bleeding out for an hour? Did Lana take out the knife and stab him again to implicate herself? Was she trying to cut him free of some restraints? So many questions still. Where's the security guard, anyway? But apparently he went out to buy coffee for Ms. Starr.Sound: Realization (That woman is a force to be reckoned with...)  She says this, like we weren't here yesterday looking at the same thing. It sure helped us knock a hole in that testimony today. Come to think of it, this divider helped our case more than the actual witness. Sound: Realization It's just a wall. (Scientifically speaking...) Why did Lana tip over the water? I'm not really buying that it was just to wash away her blood spatter, given how she stayed put and confessed. So, this is the famous oil drum.Good use of repitition there, Phoenix said that line just like how Ema did about the divider.  Hii-yah!Sound: Tong ......Sound: Realization Th-that's okay. Don't cry. (That Lana Skye must be one strong woman...)Sound: Stab  I almost forgot to look over here again. "B Block" is through there. That's where visitors park. I-it seems so, yeah. (That fence is 9 feet high at least!) ...But why?  Sound: Thud 4 ...... I-it's okay, don't cry. (Maybe there's a Lunchland Olympics team?)Sound: Stab More nice repetition with the oil drum line.   Yup, it's pretty red alright. (The body was found in Edgeworth's car trunk...) (And the lock on the trunk was broken too...) Hey look, a typo they forget to clean up in the new release. So, what model car is it?Sound: Light Bulb ... Those are car types, Mr. Wright. Not models. Sound: Whack Sexist! (Maybe it is about time I got my driver's license...) That's where we found that note. "2/21 SL-9"... The SL-9 Incident. I didn't point it out earlier, but in the Court Record the note has been flipped over (as shown here) so it reads the way it's supposed to now. (And the detective in charge of the case was the victim.) It's kind of hard to guess just knowing the case number.Well, we know it was a stabbing. Given the knife was the murder weapon. I assume the victim didn't choke on it.  I've heard enough from Angel Starr to last a lifetime already, but we might as well get talking to her out of the way and enjoy the rest of the episode from there. You certainly put me in a tight spot today. My apologies Ms. Starr, but... Oh, we know.Haha I love that burn Ema. I witnessed everything from that security room right there. I was wrong to think that. I'm sorry. Sound: Whack Pretty sanctimonious from someone still lying to us about the phone call from her sister. ...Music: Silence   Little girl, don't forget what's important here.Sound: Realization   Sound: Objection Ah...Sound: Realization  Sound: Drama Pound ...! ...The crime scene photo? The one that we got during trial and then immediately used three times already? There's still more to figure out about it? Music: Happy People  I immediately forget to go look at the photo again in the name of finishing conversations. So... you were a detective, weren't you, Ms. Starr? No matter how hardened the criminal, when they faced me... They coughed it up.Sound: Realization Coughed it... up?Sound: Light Bulb They confessed. They babbled like babies. Sound: Realization If Damon Gant is the "demon" in this episode, does that make him the opposite of Angel Starr? His trial appearance sure was a lot briefer; he got his job done, in and out with one testimony. I wouldn't doubt it. Every day, I dragged the dirt out of the mouths of suspect after suspect... Sound: Light Bulb Yeah, I got it the first time.  Never mind, apparently Ema needed it explained several times. And... you were "let go"? Er... fired? And if these prim and proper prosecutors hadn't let me go, I'd still be one today. Sound: Realization You know, I would appreciate not having to wait until the final day to figure out what we're really investigating for once. I don't suppose you'll actually tell us about it? Music: Silence SL-9!? (Wait! She doesn't mean...!)Sound: Light Bulb Music: Happy People  No such luck.  Maybe there's more locked away behind some of our evidence.  Immediately worth it. Huh? I-it's not! It's my attorney's badge!Sound: Stab ... Look, my badge isn't up for sale. Not yet, at least.All these newcomers out to make Phoenix sell his badge.   Back when you were the Cough-up Queen, right?Sound: Light Bulb We found this ID card here in this parking lot... But... It's the same ID as the man who was killed at the Police Department.Sound: Realization ... That's impossible. (I wish I could be so sure...) She still ignores the trophy with the same long spiel about tea, so we'll skip over to the knife. Uh, the first knife. A body with Edgeworth's knife stuck in it was found in Edgeworth's car. Gratitude?Sound: Realization Why, if I hadn't witnessed the crime... Sound: Light Bulb (Hmm... I wonder.) Still, it's strange. Sound: Realization Ms. Starr seems like the kind of detective who hyper-focuses on the first suspect she thinks of and ignores everything else.  Um... What do you think about this? Yeah, we get the same scene here for presenting either object. Goodman... Sound: Realization Really? It was due for transferal the very day that Goodman was killed. As I suspected... Sound: Realization Do you think you could tell us more about the SL-9 Incident?You'd think we'd get a new conversation topic there, but not just yet.  I've got an even crazier idea. What if Lana wasn't telling Ema about the knife in the muffler in the muffler? What if Lana was telling Ema to put it there herself?    Sound: Wipe  That's when you heard her talking about the "muffler," right? The red car's muffler, and the prosecutor's red muffler! (What was Ms. Skye really trying to say, I wonder?)  You know, I actually hadn't thought of that. But... even I get flustered sometimes. So, you went straight to the scene of the crime?  In other words... five minutes after the crime? Those five minutes are the whole problem... Something very sneaky happened during those five minutes, didn't it? The five minutes weren't the problem, Ms. Starr, you lying was the problem!Sound: Whack   And I wasn't going to have it disregarded again!Sound: Realization Music: Silence Just like that time... (That time...?)Sound: Light Bulb Ah, there's the last trigger we need. I guess needing to present the photo is why the earlier conversation brought up the photo again. Music: Happy People  Sure enough, new topic. Angel doesn't respond to the shoe or anything else we have, so let's dive right in. That incident really opened up my eyes to the truth. Music: Silence Disposable? To who? Two years ago... it was the biggest case I'd ever handled.Sound: Wipe Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident  Let's see, we've got Starr, Marshall, Goodman, and... some unknown fourth guy? So... they didn't solve it? On the contrary. Sound: Realization (E-executed...?) Yes, the criminal got what was coming to him. It doesn't get any cleaner than that. Sound: Realization ...Edgeworth you didn't fabricate evidence to get someone killed in your first case did you? What!? But the criminal was executed, right?Sound: Light Bulb On the basis of evidence... of a sort. Made up evidence. Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Realization ... The best part came several months after the trial. Every detective involved with the case was dealt with. Others got shanked in the evidence room two years later... And... you were one of those? Myself, and one other person you know well. (Wait, could it be...?) Exactly. Detective Jake Marshall.Sound: Realization  And these two ended up being key figures in the current case somehow... quote:Original version of the previous two lines: "Exactly. Officer Jake Marshall. He's on security detail in the Police Department, isn't he?" The new version does have more of a punch to it.    And then... it was over. And he was demoted. However... Sound: Realization You haven't forgotten SL-9? And no one up in their fancy offices can stop us. Wait!Sound: Light Bulb Th-those lunches you sell...  Sound: Realization (Ms. Starr's old boyfriends... How many does she have, anyway?) (Just when all the detectives on SL-9 have disappeared, we find new evidence...)We did? Music: Silence  So, Rookie...Sound: Realization Wh-what! Yes.  Then you should take this.Sound: Realization A... Salisbury Steak Lunch?  Sound: Select Jingle Now we just have to find him. Music: Investigation - Core Um, Ms. Starr...?Sound: Light Bulb  Are you g-g-g-going out!?Sound: Whack Why do you want to know?Sound: Realization I was just wondering what happened to him? Ema were you not paying attention to the last conversation? Your sister basically demoted him to protect one of her prosecutors. Or maybe herself. He got along so well with my sister, it made me jealous. And... he was nice to me too, back then. (This would be when Officer Marshall was a detective.) But now... now he's so cold! ... We're putting the past to rest, as it were. Nothing more than that. I... I see. Thank you. (Officer Jake Marshall... Hmm...) One last thing to do here...  Um...!Sound: Light Bulb Y-you, and Officer M-Marshall, you... uh... A-a-a-a-are y-you... Are you going out!? ... We're just putting the past to rest. Thank you.I'm not sure why we had to repeat that conversation there, but whatever.  Let's give this steak lunch a closer look. Wow, my mouth is watering!Sound: Light Bulb  No doubt it's all cold and tough by now. No, I'm sure it's delicious! So long as she didn't put any other organs in there... Some kind of label on the bottom? Let's see... "Ingredients: Meat"Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb Uh... yeah. Let's hope so. Go to town. Sound: Realization So that's why the sauce is so salty......Yeah, never eating one of these box lunches.  I think we've fully checked out the crime scene at this point. We've acquired our key item and marked up the map with some blood, and otherwise got a little more background on SL-9. No new destinations here, but we have a few options on where to go. So where to next?
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Interesting detail- there was a notorious Wild West personality named Belle Starr. Wonder if she and Angel are related. Let’s go to the Detention Center and check in with the more attractive Lana Skye.
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Oct 14, 2023 01:30
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"Ingredients: Meat" sounds like the kind of thing that would get a person blacklisted by the FDA.
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If I had heterochromia, I'd also grow my hair over one eye so I could dramatically swish it over the other one.
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davidspackage posted:If I had heterochromia, I'd also grow my hair over one eye so I could dramatically swish it over the other one. I have seen an interview with Janet Hsu, the head localizer. In it, she suggests Angel Starr wears colored contacts.
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It's funny how Angel would be a 'kinda gimmick there' character in most cases but because she draws out both the trial and investigation so much, she fills you with dread, like every time she pulls out a new lunchbox.
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If I'm not mistaken, I think she has 19 unique ones and there's an achievement for seeing all of them in some releases of the game.
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Salisbury steak is gross as gently caress
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actually salisbury steak is delicious, and is absolutely not the meal in that lunchbox; I'm not sure Angel takes her side gig very seriouslyDKII posted:We're taken directly to the... crime scene? Place the body was found? Whatever, here's Edgeworth's car again. I think the forensic term is "scene of discovery" if it is where evidence of a crime (i.e. a body, in the case of murder) is discovered, but it is not known to be the scene where the crime occurred.
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Oct 14, 2023 23:58
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:actually salisbury steak is delicious, 
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yeah, salisbury steak is good and I didn't know it was controversial? it's just ground beef in gravy I'm not sure what that lunch is, but it's definitely not that!
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Salisbury steak is great.  That looks more like a pan-seared steak.
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someone awful. posted:yeah, salisbury steak is good and Blueberry Pancakes posted:Salisbury steak is great.
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Salisbury steak may not be the best meat but it's pretty far from the worst. Wouldn't pick it over a real steak, but still pretty good.
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serefin99 posted:Salisbury steak may not be the best meat but it's pretty far from the worst. Wouldn't pick it over a real steak, but still pretty good.
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someone awful. posted:salisbury steak is good
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It's just a hamburger with gravy instead of a bun. They're fine.
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Foxfire_ posted:It's just a hamburger with gravy instead of a bun. They're fine. Yeah, pretty much. It's a bit on the bland side but there's nothing particularly great or terrible about it. Mostly it gets a bad rap from being most people remember it as cafeteria food or frozen dinners.
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Foxfire_ posted:It's just a hamburger with gravy instead of a bun. They're fine. I'd never heard of it before, but calling a ground beef dish a "steak" seems grossly misleading in general. (I'm sure there are plenty of other examples like it though.)
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DKII posted:I'd never heard of it before, but calling a ground beef dish a "steak" seems grossly misleading in general. (I'm sure there are plenty of other examples like it though.) Fun fact: it's called that because of a Victorian health influencer named James Salisbury! He thought vegetables were toxic thus only eat shredded meat!
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bunnyofdoom posted:Fun fact: it's called that because of a Victorian health influencer named James Salisbury! Also he thought that the cure for the diarrhea and dysentery plaguing Union troops during the Civil War was shredded meat and black coffee.
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Part 133: Episode 5, Day 2, Investigation: Luminol Everywhere  Let's see if Lana Skye is available. I have some questions about that five-minute gap in Angel's testimony. Music: Silence  Looks like Ms. Skye is in questioning... I hope the detectives aren't yelling at her... Sound: Whack That's basically exactly what I assumed was happening. Can you imagine? How's she supposed to answer that! (Wait a second...) Sound: Realization Let's come back later!Sound: Light Bulb  One quick peek at the security guard before we go... This guard monitors the visitor's room. He must be frozen with fear thinking that he might be next... Don't scare the poor guy! Police Department was second place in the vote, but it's not reachable from here. However, Gumshoe's office is now available.  Wow, everyone looks deadly serious here...  Ugh... It makes my head hurt. Well, first things first. Let's go check out the Police Department crime scene. Yes, you sound "dead"-set on investigating! Sound: Light Bulb ...I think something got lost in translation there. Or it was just a horrible pun? I doubt anyone wants more mysteries or dead bodies around here right now. (But... it doesn't look like anyone's going to help us much, either.) How is the chief slacking off today? That must be the Chief of Detectives. He's glued to his computer screen.  "Tell no one outside the Police Department"!? (Someone's getting a demotion...) So this is the police mascot, is it? The design's a little changed from the one outside... You have it trademarked? Absolutely! It's cutting edge stuff. Very "now." (Don't show her the moving mock-up outside then, you'll give her nightmares.)That music continues to haunt me...  I maintain it's more time-efficient to do all your training at once at the end of the year. Let's see what this guy is up to a couple months later. That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself. "I know! The killer used dry ice!" This is good! I'll win a writer's award for sure. ... He's not writing a report... he's writing a novel.I think he's setting up a locked-room mystery? I guess we know now how he gets behind on his training...  Anyway, we're now free to head over to the Police Department, to see where else our victim was murdered. Music: Silence  It's even busier here today than it was yesterday. (I suppose it makes sense -- a detective did get killed here, after all.) So... the evidence room. The scene of the crime! Here it is!Sound: Light Bulb (She's like a kid at an amusement park.) Nobody out here to talk to us, so I guess we're supposed to head straight on through.  But first, let's check in on the newest running background examine gag. Look, that patrolman is saluting that other guy. He must be a detective! You idiot! What were you thinking!? Where's your head? ... Sound: Realization They make a good pair. Let's mess with this creepy thing with no Gumshoe around to stop us.  Music: The Blue Badger ~ I Want to Protect You  Oh no the music is back. Abort abort! (Speaking of "dancing"...) Sound: Realization Music: Silence Can I take out his batteries? Or already has! I never noticed before, but the Blue Badger has a bandage on his upper-left...thingy.  Well, let's move on.  Looks like we've found Officer Marshall's official posting. What's with the decor in this place? It's very... eccentric.Sound: Realization  So, beyond that door is the evidence room... the scene of the crime? It sure seems that way... Oh. Ohhh... What's wrong?Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Stab (If you can't handle the cacti, stay out of the desert...) Sound: Whack I have a feeling I know who he is already... Still no one around; we don't even get any investigation music to liven things up. Instead... did Marshall really set a trap with a lasso here? Look, on the floor, a lasso! Hmm... looks like it's set up to trap something. A trap, here? Wait, I know!Sound: Light Bulb  Scientific investigation at its finest. You sure have an active imagination. I don't suppose the door was left unlocked... The evidence room is beyond that door. Sound: Light Bulb It won't open.Sound: Realization You thought it'd be open? (I think we'd need someone's permission to go in there first...)We have what we need to bribe Marshall to let us in. Now to figure out what random triggers will make him appear.  It looks like there's a video feed from the evidence room here. There's a light blinking below the monitor. It says "Recording"! I hope it works better than Oldbag's computer at the film studio.  Apparently we're going to have to wait for permission to access the computers, too. In the meantime, let's poke at a cactus.  I would think just one big one would be sufficient. These cacti... are a lot like my sister, actually.Sound: Realization Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident H-how so? Just like her. ... Sound: Realization Music: Silence ... It's more an attitude thing than a physical similarity.  Sound: Light Bulb But look, it's nailed shut. You can't get in that way. Of course not! If you went in through here... I'd say it'd be more of a "Yeeeeaargh," myself.  Now I'm imagining Marshall as some kind of rebel taking advantage of the fact that the rules defining police uniforms haven't ever actually removed versions from the 1800's. It looks more like a costume than a uniform, honestly. A leather jacket, leather pants, a leather... What was that called again?Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb Hmm... Wait, maybe that wasn't it. (It's a "poncho," but I think I'll keep that information to myself for the time being.) Sound: Spritz x 3 There wasn't any blood outside the Police Department, but apparently this cactus has had at least one victim.  Sound: Photo Snap x 3 Wow! We got a reaction!Sound: Light Bulb Hm. There's clearly blood around the spines here. and planted their head right in these spines.Sound: Stab 2 ... Doesn't sound real fun at least.  I guess we have to go somewhere else first?  Apparently "somewhere else" is just back outside. (This place is charged with frantic energy, as always.) Please!!! Huh? Wasn't that...Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Realization Sorry, pal, this lunch is spoken for. Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal Detective Gumshoe!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Whack Sound: Drama Pound  What I really need is a steak lunch from Lunchland. Sound: Realization For a moment there, I thought the game had screwed up which character wanted the lunch. We don't unlock this scene until we've both obtained the steak lunch and visited the guard station outside the evidence room. ... ...Music: Silence (I think I just heard the sound of his heart breaking.) Now's no time for despair!Sound: Light Bulb Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  Sound: Whack Sound: Drama Pound Police.gif The criminal... You mean...?Sound: Light Bulb   Sound: Desk Slam  On the same day that a detective was killed in the Prosecutor's parking lot... This episode is really big on padding its length with unnecessary flashbacks. Sound: Wipe  And the perpetrator? Do you have a suspect? Sound: Realization  Sound: Whack But, Detective Gumshoe, who was it? Sound: Whack  Standing around here talking isn't going to fill my belly!Music: Silence W-wait! Don't leave!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Whack Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  Wait, he? I figured they were pinning this one on Lana Skye as well. Later!Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Well, this investigation is off to a running start.Music: Investigation - Core  Let's check out these two again. Look, that patrolman is saluting that other guy. He must be a detective! Answer me! How many fingers do you see!? ... I-I'm sorry! I don't know! Get glasses, officer! ... Sound: Realization They make a good pair. I tried going back to the guard station, but Gumshoe wasn't actually there. He either let himself into the evidence room already, or got distracted along the way. Speaking of getting distracted, we can't reach the detention center from here, so let's detour through our office. Music: Ema Skye ~ Turnabout Sisters Theme  No introductory scene, but we didn't get to look around or talk to Ema earlier, so let's do that now. Looks like it's cleaning day again at the hotel across the way. I hear they're planning a second branch outside the city. Egad! The bellboy was staring right at me. That bellboy is going to be someone someday. (Wish someone would say that about me...) Most of the differences today are going to revolve around Ema, now that she's been integrated into the team. Mia's plant, "Charley." I've been taking care of him in Maya's absence. Huh? He looks a little yellow today... Mixed in... what? I told you, he's turning yellow!Sound: Whack Well, I guess we know what at least one of those vials in her bag is for.  Difficult-looking legal books stand in a formidable row. They mock me. Oh, I tried studying one of those just now. Oh, right, evidence law. So, did you learn anything? Well, when I tried reading it made my head hurt. Oh... (Oddly enough I find myself identifying with her on this one...)Maybe Phoenix just needs some better books.  Mia's desk. I sit here even less now that I've stopped taking cases. I'm borrowing this desk, okay? (Sorry, Mia...)Is she off school this week while she follows us around? I hope her science grades bring up her history one.  Well, where should we begin? Sound: Light Bulb The mystery of the victim I guess. How could one man, Detective Goodman...Sound: Realization be killed in two places simultaneously? Oh, well, you see...Sound: Light Bulb  Uh... I'm not being very useful here, am I... (No, no! You're being very... helpful.)Phoenix you need to at least let Ema do the normal sidekick things.  Poor Mr. Edgeworth...Sound: Wipe   You were even in the defendant's chair just this past December...! ...!Sound: Light Bulb  Ah, about the killing at the Police Department, right. Sound: Clapping x 2 (But I can't help but think...)Sound: Clapping  Pictured: Someone  We do get some new reactions to a lot of our evidence, with all the new context from the trial today. That number was the clincher, wasn't it! 5842189... It's in the record. But... we found this card in the parking lot at the Prosecutor's Office. ... (Something to think about later when I'm not so busy.)Sound: Realization  Sound: Whack Hmm. The ID card apparently has more to tell us.   We defense attorneys are a scattered, unrecognized bunch. It is pretty odd, huh? (I doubt it has anything to do with this case though...)I don't think we've heard the last of this trophy, either.   Right... or so the witness, Ms. Starr, claims. She saw your sister stab Mr. Goodman with this knife. Sound: Whack She's not the one on trial here.Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Whack Her eyesight isn't on trial here, either.Sound: Light Bulb  Ema's "don't care" reaction is the same as before, so I'll skip ahead to just the evidence she does react to. According to Ms. Starr's testimony... Ms. Skye used her phone right after the murder... she called you, right? And it was a bad connection. I couldn't hear anything. (Because it was an underground parking lot, I suppose...)That's the most reasonable excuse I've heard yet.  but got cut off...But see, that information would have been much more useful to have while investigating yesterday rather than today.   Sound: Whack And photographing things? (She is connected to this crime somehow... but how?) Why would this have been in the car's exhaust pipe? Right... the SL-9 incident. It was already solved, apparently. (This knife was stolen on the day of the evidence transferal...) Just in case we hadn't shown the knife to Angel yet, I guess.  This stuff is pretty expensive. You don't say. How much does it cost? I'd say about $10 per gram! I hope it's a big bottle. I've been spraying it all over, though with very limited results so far. Your allowance...? Does your sister give you that? Yes. We don't have parents... R-right... A bottle of luminol testing fluid...?Sound: Realization (Man, I'd just take the allowance myself...) We could go to the detention center next. But there's one other location we haven't seen yet today. Music: Happy People  We have to go back through the parking garage to get there, but maybe we can go comfort Edgeworth a bit. Music: Silence   And I'm sure it'll still be just as classy tomorrow, Ema. Incidentally, Edgeworth's not here. I hope that's what he's doing.Sound: Realization ...? (I guess we'll have to come back.) I guess we just look around to see if anything has changed here. Whoa! I guess you would feel... important. Incidentally... ... Sound: Light Bulb (That's handy to know...)Similar to before, but last time was talking about time to impact.   Yeah, you'd think he'd want to show this thing off more than that giant Steel Samurai. Then again, Edgeworth has always been like that.quote:There are a lot of fairly minor script differences in this update that I haven't bothered showing. This one is just different enough to be worthwhile. The last two lines were originally: "Better this than that giant Steel Samurai. (Edgeworth has always been like that.)" Note the change from an internal thought to a spoken line there.  Back in elementary school, he won awards for all kinds of things. Speech contests, essays, playing the flute, golf tournaments... But he always hated receiving awards. He'd make some smart remark like,Sound: Wipe  That's how he's always been. Kind of gets under your skin, doesn't it? Sound: Spritz x 3 A quick mist of luminol around the entire room later...  Sound: Photo Snap x 3  Sound: Light Bulb Judging by the amount, my guess is it's from a nosebleed.Sound: Realization A nosebleed, hm? Maybe in his wrath, (Why does Detective Gumshoe's face come to mind...?)Ah, yes, physical abuse as comedy. Music: Happy People  I think that's everything we can do for now. Next time we'll revisit the detention center.
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DKII posted:I'd never heard of it before, but calling a ground beef dish a "steak" seems grossly misleading in general. (I'm sure there are plenty of other examples like it though.) It goes: - Late 1800s: Chop a cut of beef by hand and lightly press it into shape, serve it raw or lightly cooked on a plate (in the style of Hamburg, Germany) => Hamburg steak - Add gravy and maybe some breadcrumbs/egg to a Hamburg steak and cook it more => Salisbury steak - Put a Hamburg steak on a bun => Hamburger => Burger
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...I didn't know there were Luminol reactions on the cactus and in Edgeworth's office.
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you keep talking about "padding the length", but it helps to remember this was, originally, a game for handheld consoles! people are often picking up and putting down games like this throughout the day/week/whatever and playing it a lot more casually than similar games, so having flashbacks can honestly be pretty helpful -- i'd definitely been known to stop playing for a bit between sections of cross-examination, and in those situations the reminders, even of just a few cross-examinations ago, are really useful actually. 
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Ema's getting robbed on luminol, shame (a 15g container, which makes 250 ml of spray, is about $22. That's a far cry from $150 at her rate.) and you know I bet her sister can just source it from the forensics department so this is the real crime, right here
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Psion posted:and you know I bet her sister can just source it from the forensics department so this is the real crime, right here This would imply Lana helping Ema and well, you read the last update.
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Omobono posted:This would imply Lana helping Ema and well, you read the last update. I mean in the update it explicitly says Lana gives her luminol too
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someone awful. posted:you keep talking about "padding the length", but it helps to remember this was, originally, a game for handheld consoles! people are often picking up and putting down games like this throughout the day/week/whatever and playing it a lot more casually than similar games, so having flashbacks can honestly be pretty helpful -- i'd definitely been known to stop playing for a bit between sections of cross-examination, and in those situations the reminders, even of just a few cross-examinations ago, are really useful actually. Yeah, but there are way more flashbacks in this episode, and in at least one case we had a flashback to something that happened less than 30 seconds ago in real game time. Granted, this episode is also more complicated.
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Omobono posted:This would imply Lana helping Ema and well, you read the last update. this part in particular is what I'm referring to:
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Flashbacks to things that happened before a save point makes sense. Flashbacks to things that happened a paragraph ago on the other hand...
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Ace Attorney games have save anywhere. In the earlier games it was a suspend save, but still, you could take a break at any time.
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Part 134: Episode 5, Day 2, Investigation: Unusual Suspect Music: Silence    Uh, yeah, I guess they did. (Best to not go too far down that road right now. Things will just get confusing.)Arresting two different people for the same crime with completely different theories of the crime seems a little extreme even for this wacky justice system.  Sound: Ween For full effect, make sure you turn your volume way up when playing that sound effect. It was not kind to my ears. Wh-what was that!?Sound: Realization  Sound: Objection  Sound: Objection  Sound: Realization Sound: Thud 2 Oh, hell. And I just started the update so I can't even bail out. We're going to spend the whole time talking to this guy aren't we? poo poo.  Ah, oh, uh. Hi. Greetings, sir!Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Whack Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution Wait, I know who you are...Sound: Light Bulb  This is the second time we've had a flashback to this same scene. I'm here, sir, at the request of the Chief, sir! I've got your report, sir! Sound: Light Bulb Ema... I, what... just, never mind.  Sound: Gavel Oh, I get it. You're here to deliver a report? No, sir, I, uh, how should I say this... (Wait... he isn't... is he?)Music: Silence You... Officer Meekins... You didn't... did you?Sound: Realization Err.........Guys he's on the other side of the window for a reason.  Sound: Ween Gah that awful noise is back. Who let this guy keep his megaphone? What...!? Whaaaaaaaaat!?Sound: Stab 2 Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution (Now this is an unexpected turn of events...)Might be the least-likely suspect yet.  What does our friend the static background guard have to say about this development? This guard monitors the visitor's room. No comments from the peanut gallery! Did you even remember this camera was still here? It hasn't had anything new to say in a long time. Smile for the camera...  I really don't want to end up defending this guy, too. Can we just let Lana go and get the hell out of here? No?  Sound: Ween gently caress I'm going to have to play this section on mute soon. Ow. I can hear you fine, Officer Meekins.Sound: Stab   The guard station in front of the room was empty, sir! So, normally there's a guard at the evidence room? Now, the security officer... was none other than Officer Marshall!Sound: Realization (M-Marshall!?)We can't get to this scene without having gone to the guard station and seen all of Marshall's stuff there. You can't really be that surprised, Phoenix.   That's when I saw him, sir! A suspicious person in the evidence room! A suspicious person, sir!Sound: Whack  Sound: Gavel Sound: Stab 2 Sound: Rooster That's... quite the animation. I had the damnedest time finding that last sound effect. It's apparently from the Apollo Justice series, and got imported into this episode. I didn't want to look too closely at how or why, given the likely spoilers. (What the heck is this guy doing?) So what happened then? And... when I came to, I was here. In the detention center. (How long were you out!? Days!?)Sound: Whack ...Didn't we see him try to deliver a report to Edgeworth during this supposed blackout period?  Sound: Realization  Sound: Thud 2 Sir! There was no one to bandage me, sir! So I did what I could to wrap it up, sir!But... that does nothing to explain how he injured it in the first place! Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Now that is how you do a flashback. Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution  I can't decide if it was really one stabbing or two. I'm leaning towards two, but we're short a victim. First things first... tell us how you hurt your hand! We get a new topic out of that statement, but I refuse to go through these out of order. Um, I don't mean to pry, but you are the perpetrator, correct? You killed Detective Bruce Goodman in the evidence room... right? Sound: Ween ~subtly turns down the volume...~  If you have to label me as perpetrator or victim, sir...Sound: Ween  Sound: Gavel There's some nightmare-fuel for you. That animation is the first one with actual motion blur that I've noticed. Then label me victim! Um, I would, but you happen to be in detention. And alive and well at that.Sound: Stab  Did you know the victim, Detective Goodman?Sound: Thud 2 Well, sir, if I had to label him as a "stranger" or a "total stranger"... Sound: Ween Fun(?) fact - the normal blips for text appearing on the screen are not present when Meekins is using his megaphone. So... you didn't know him?Sound: Realization  Sound: Thud 2 I don't know any detectives! Sir! I had n-no intention of killing him, sir! None!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Ween I lied, I only wished I had turned down the volume. Now I have to hear that awful sound again while writing up this update. (At least someone around here is more confused than I am.)It's not looking good for getting useful information out of this guy, that's for sure.  About your hand... Did that happen during the course of the crime? Well! You see, sir,Sound: Ween I, er...Sound: Realization Don't you think you should just confess?Sound: Whack  Sound: Ween "Nothing you could do"...? Sir, to tell the truth, sir, when it happened... Sound: Thud 2 And the next thing I knew, I was unconscious! The next thing you knew you were... huh?Sound: Realization Then, when I opened my eyes...Sound: Gavel I wonder if that face is from forgetting his hand is injured when he slams his other fist into it there. I was alone in the evidence room, sir! All alone! Sound: Drama Pound Music: Silence What!?Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Whack  Sound: Ween I'm glad I added the sound effects in, so you all can understand my pain, even if you reasonably choose not to also experience it. (The victim's body... disappeared...?)Sound: Realization Hmm... That's some story.This is a shock? We know it made it to the parking garage at some point. Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution  We're out of topics, so let's run through the evidence. Officer Meekins, have a look at this. ...Music: Silence  Sound: Whack Ha ha... huh?Sound: Realization  Sound: Whack She... what? M-me? Why would I...?Sound: Realization  I'm torn between asking who else has matching badges and insisting that no one matches our shiny Attorney's Badge.  Sound: Whack Sound: Ween  Sound: Objection (Is he talking about those badges on her coat?)Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution Hmph.Sound: Realization  I'm even more confused now than from just talking to him.  I guess we have to keep moving down the list. Um... do you think you could take a look at this? ... Hey!Sound: Light Bulb Music: Silence  Sound: Whack Sound: Ween That's what!?Sound: Stab Sound: Thud 2 My head was a blank until this very moment! But, sir, now I remember! I remember, sir! You mean you remember what happened?Sound: Gavel  This... ID card?Sound: Realization Exactly, sir! That's exactly it!Sound: Whack  Sound: Ween Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution (I'd better pry into this one a little deeper.)Ugh, do we have to?  Not if we finish off the evidence list first! Officer Meekins, could you take a look at this? Sound: Light Bulb Maybe you should ask Mr. Edgeworth, sir?Sound: Gavel He's passing the buck, Mr. Wright. It takes a special kind of man to pass the buck to Edgeworth...Right, so that was the generic reaction to stuff he doesn't care about.  Officer Meekins, this is for you! Sound: Objection It's okay, I just wanted you to take a look at it. That's it, sir! Last night, sir! That's the one! Sound: Realization What in all of the hells. On second thought, you don't have to look at the knife. (Hmm... He's overreacting to the knife, but I guess he's been through a lot.) Skipping ahead to the next item that Meekins will react to... Hey! Why do you have that? That's... From the day... It was taken at the Prosecutor's Office. So this means...Sound: Realization + Whack Music: Silence  Sound: Objection Sound: Drama Pound Uh, maybe? I'm more hoping to lock you away and get Lana out of there. If this is a dream, sir... Then I hope I never wake up!Sound: Ween (If this is a dream you'd better wake up right now!)Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution  The only other thing Meekins will talk about is the other knife; however he just has the same dialogue as for the first knife. So we're done with our evidence...  The second topic has been replaced, now that we've heard about the original topic and shown him Goodman's ID (in that order). Can you tell me what it is you do "remember"?  And that's why you thought he looked suspicious... Well, that sounds pretty much by the book so far.Sound: Gavel  Sound: Whack So you asked Detective Goodman to show his ID card. What did he do? Sound: Ween Something is itching at the back of my brain, saying that someone was pretending to be Goodman. Possibly to get into the evidence room and steal the SL-9 evidence? That coat that Goodman was wearing also looks a lot like the coat that Lana is wearing in the crime scene photo. What...!?Sound: Light Bulb  So I whooped and leapt at him!Sound: Whack (Detective Goodman pointed a knife at him?)Sound: Realization  Sound: Ween Sound: Gavel I- uh, well that's one way to put it. Wh-what happened then? Well... Sound: Realization Then how did you show up in Edgeworth's office yesterday with that report? (Right...) Oh good, there's more.  What do you mean, Ema?Sound: Realization Let's look at what we know.Music: Logic and Trick   In other words, we have no way of knowing if the victim was really the victim!Sound: Realization  We don't even know if anyone actually died!Sound: Light Bulb ...Are we going to be allowed in there to hose it down with luminol now?  Sound: Whack Sound: Drama Pound That is... I did say something along those lines. Huh?Sound: Light Bulb But you still ended up here...?  Sound: Realization But... you don't remember the events clearly? Sound: Realization Of course there's a tape, and it took you this long to mention it. Music: Silence Huh? Video tape...?Sound: Light Bulb From the security camera.Sound: Realization You know, from the dozen monitors in the guard station?  Sound: Ween Sound: Drama Pound Possibly more conclusive than a biased witness. As long as no one's wearing an elaborate disguise. ... ... ... Sound: Damage 2 Get 'em, Ema! Sound: Thud 2  Ugh you're not even worth getting mad at. It's like getting mad at a puppy for peeing on the carpet. Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution N-no thanks, I have my own. (Well, guess we'd better go check out the crime scene.) Before we go, we managed to unlock the profile for Meekins at some point in this update. He's even younger than Phoenix. I still hope to never see him again.  So, should we go straight back to the evidence room? Or see if anything changed at one of our other locations first? There's exactly one right answer, but can you figure it out?
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I'll admit it: I don't particularly care for Patrolman Mike Meekins. He's kind of unlikable.
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