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the systemd configuration syntax is based on microsoft .ini files which iirc is one of the reasons the devuan and "veteran unix admins" sickos hate systemd, because they also hate microsoft of course
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Oct 12, 2023 22:04
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but like nearly every config file I've seen borrows that syntax, there aren't very many ways to format configuration files (edit: without doing sicker poo poo like json or xml that is) oh no you can't use equal signs, microsoft uses those!!! BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 22:06
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FlapYoJacks posted:Systemd is cool and good.
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If you don’t like systemd there’s always OpenRC ahahaha.
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BattleMaster posted:oh no you can't use equal signs, microsoft uses those!!! exactly, you've got spaces (resolv.conf), colons (passwd/shadow), whatever sick poo poo is going on in sudoers, etc. etc. the specific syntax used by systemd (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.syntax.html) isn't really used by anything else on a linux system except like XDG stuff and stuff that's intentionally chosen to model itself on systemd's syntax. a lot of this 90's stuff on a linux system is based on 80's unix stuff not 90's microsoft stuff like all these shell fragments in /etc/default/ aren't the same as .ini files because they use equal signs when assigning to a variable
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maybe .ini files are more common in stuff implemented in python since they have an .ini style parser in the standard library idk
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shackleford posted:exactly, you've got spaces (resolv.conf), colons (passwd/shadow), whatever sick poo poo is going on in sudoers, etc. etc. the specific syntax used by systemd (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.syntax.html) isn't really used by anything else on a linux system except like XDG stuff and stuff that's intentionally chosen to model itself on systemd's syntax. a lot of this 90's stuff on a linux system is based on 80's unix stuff not 90's microsoft stuff I mean like mysql/mariadb but I guess the people who hate systemd because equals signs aren't the type who use a server os for server things edit: I previously said apache but I was mistaken, dunno what I was thinking (probably samba but that doesn't count since it's a microsoft protocol to begin with so that's cheating) but if the delimiter between key value pairs is a dealbreaker for people I don't even know what to say BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 22:24
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shackleford posted:maybe .ini files are more common in stuff implemented in python since they have an .ini style parser in the standard library idk Rust also uses TOML
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i haven't checked but i think the devuan folks hate rust too because the compiler doesn't support m68k or alpha or something, but also because they're far-right fascists and rust is woke
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Oct 12, 2023 22:33
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shackleford posted:rust is woke I thought wtf are you talking about but I just searched it now and yes you are right. It's a bunch of results about people asking if rust is woke and why they stopped using rust because of its wokeness. What the hell is going on? When did this happen?
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idk if that was the start, but rust was really high-profile about a proper and thorough code of conduct, and the community has as far as i can tell been greatly improved by it.
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lmao what is going on with google's semantic searching. this is on the first page of results for me
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yeah, I noticed that recently too. Googling for "C++ async runtime" decides that JavaScript is semantically equivalent to C++ there was a period of time a decade ago where the spelling autocorrection was based purely on a popularity contest and the results were worthless, but at least you could click the helpful "no I meant what I typed you idiots" link, but the modern ML semantic equivalency thing its doing is a trashfire pseudorandom name fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 22:47
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shackleford posted:lmao what is going on with google's semantic searching. this is on the first page of results for me im crying at every part of this lmfaaaao
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AlbertFlasher posted:I thought wtf are you talking about but I just searched it now and yes you are right. It's a bunch of results about people asking if rust is woke and why they stopped using rust because of its wokeness. What the hell is going on? When did this happen? E.g. there was that thing 6 months ago or whenever where they* invited someone working on a garbage collector or something as the keynote speaker and then uninvited him, which was really dumb, but there were a bunch of people on HN who were determined to spin this into some story where the guy was only invited because he was a minority and this just shows why it's bad to do things like that, or something, which was 100% not what actually happened *: I think there are also two rust organizations and one is dumber and this was done by the dumber one or something but I can't remember the details and I don't feel like looking into it mystes fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 22:59
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shackleford posted:lmao what is going on with google's semantic searching. this is on the first page of results for me lol
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Lady Dracula posted:im crying at every part of this lmfaaaao 
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google search is a goddamn trash fire I added those quotation marks for a reason! Bing and duckduckgo aren’t any better though. I hate how I still have to refine my search query engineering in tyool 2023 because google always assumes it knows what you really want which is not what was asked.
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BattleMaster posted:you keep saying that but I've seen no evidence that systemd doesn't store its configuration as text files in /etc like everything else in linux/unix/miscellaneous unix-likes I didn't know the thing about Win2k, but that's pretty funny given that Lennart now works at Microsoft. pseudorandom name posted:y'all really need to add the gimmick troll account to your ignore list shackleford posted:the systemd configuration syntax is based on microsoft .ini files which iirc is one of the reasons the devuan and "veteran unix admins" sickos hate systemd, because they also hate microsoft of course Just because Microsoft does it, doesn't mean it's a good idea. mystes posted:As best as I can tell, because rust has a decent code of conduct, it has attracted a larger than average number of vocally LGBTQ people, and as a result a small number of crazy people on HN are extremely triggered by it and keep trying to prove that rust is woke and evil
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Oct 13, 2023 00:46
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that's the point, right? we corrupted sand by making it more like us
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Oct 13, 2023 04:48
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sb hermit posted:is cron invoking logrotate hourly yeah i think i just botched the logrotate config for rsyslogd and also didn’t catch that delaycompress was on so i needed two cycles to start adjusting the disk space usage meaningfully
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also yeah it was a systemd timer, that part started working first
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ini-style config files are absolutely everywhere and it's not why systemd (the project) sucks. Systemd the init system is good, journald is okay but I wish it would use a less easily corruptible log format. Having hard dependencies on systemd loving sucks (looking at you, logind)
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the systemd cli is impressive in that it’s almost as bad as the git cli, despite having almost nothing in common with it engineers who design user interfaces should be put on trial in the hague
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as it sprawls it is indeed a bit notable that it takes such a low-level approach. i.e. a lot of very raw, rigid, and not-as-loosely-as-is-possible coupled c to write a distributed set of services which for the most part are not at all performance-constrained, mostly implementing a bunch of state machine behaviors, communication, and information parsing. i can't bring myself to *care* as i don't have to work on it, but for a thing built mostly in the last decade it is not very ambitious on technology.
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Soricidus posted:the systemd cli is impressive in that it’s almost as bad as the git cli, despite having almost nothing in common with it systemd-triald —hague
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typing “Y” so fast at the “execute?” prompt
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gave your mom the systemd last night
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Captain Foo posted:systemd-triald —hague it would be trialctl jeez systemd-triald is the daemon not the cli shell
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https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1041731
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i've been using an external dvd drive on my linux desktop (lmao). somehow i think debian got poo poo confused and now refuses to auto-mount my external hard drives. it just pops up with some cryptic error message (monitor not supported) in the logs and then does nothing. anyway, just wanted to drive-by complain about my problems
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quote:Incidentally, I realize belatedly that in writing this I'm implying that correct typography in PDF output is without value. I don't mean to imply that. Lmao, but also, as someone who has worked in DTP and maintains documentation including manpages, I feel for everyone involved in that bug report.
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Eeyo posted:I've been using an external DVD drive on my linux desktop (lmao). This is one of the many reasons why you should use Fedora OP.
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Hold on.That BR posted:Stick around, and I'll share the secret legacy of the hated IA-64... You can't drop that into a discussion and not deliver. 
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it is sad that the era of hilariously complex terminal features is long past, because the correct fix for that debian bug is obviously that terminals/shells should have complete typesetting themselves in 2023, making the incorrect choice obvious, and workarounds trivial. can't even draw a line properly anymore smdh
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Antigravitas posted:Lmao, but also, as someone who has worked in DTP and maintains documentation including manpages, I feel for everyone involved in that bug report. I don't, roff is an entirely obsolete format that is kept limping along purely because of its uses in man pages, nobody writes it directly, it is always generated from some better tool, and nobody prints anything anymore, especially not roff. They should acknowledge and adapt to their only customer use case, but they're a bunch of old men puttering around in their home offices, completely detached from reality.
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pseudorandom name posted:old[s] puttering around in their home offices, completely detached from reality. i… isn't that yospos?
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