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Adrianics posted:I cannot get along with the decision to not only make Saville an on-screen presence in that show, but also have him played by loving Steve Coogan of all the people on this planet. It's especially ghastly that it's a BBC show.
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If anything the only notable thing about the movie is Coogan's excellent performance. Otherwise its just an unnecessary addition to a mountain of documentaries, books and podcasts on the subject. It gave me something close to the feeling that Netflix documentary from last year gave me. I got a third of the way through it and thought "what exactly am I learning here? Theres nothing in this I didn't already know".
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Oct 10, 2023 12:09
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Gorn Myson posted:If anything the only notable thing about the movie is Coogan's excellent performance. Otherwise its just an unnecessary addition to a mountain of documentaries, books and podcasts on the subject. Yeah the Netflix thing was incredibly surface level, basically just the stuff the news said at the time. I feel like it was intended for a non UK audience who might not have been familiar with the situation.
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Oct 10, 2023 12:25
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stev posted:Yeah the Netflix thing was incredibly surface level, basically just the stuff the news said at the time. I feel like it was intended for a non UK audience who might not have been familiar with the situation. I doubt you'll ever get a really in-depth, mainstream look at the case. It would mean questioning institutions and individuals who are still in power and wildly popular and certainly knew more than they have let on.
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Oct 10, 2023 14:33
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Much easier to just 'tell the story' and have everyone pat themselves on the back for their courage, maybe launch a few Times books of the months
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Oct 10, 2023 14:42
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PriorMarcus posted:I doubt you'll ever get a really in-depth, mainstream look at the case. It would mean questioning institutions and individuals who are still in power and wildly popular and certainly knew more than they have let on. Yeah this is where I am with the whole thing. Nobody wants to look any deeper than what was made public during the enquiry as there isn't a single strand of the British establishment that isn't implicated in some way, and those who are still alive are, at the very best, extraordinarily litigious.
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Adrianics posted:Yeah this is where I am with the whole thing. Nobody wants to look any deeper than what was made public during the enquiry as there isn't a single strand of the British establishment that isn't implicated in some way, and those who are still alive are, at the very best, extraordinarily litigious. I mean, one of those still alive is the King, so you're 100% right.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:29
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Just finished all of it. It has no sympathy for Savile, it saves that for his victims. Its for an audience that watched him in his pomp but don't understand "the real Jimmy Savile". Steve Coogan is fantastic. It could so easily be a performance that pushes towards parody but he plays how seductive and menacing he was all at once. But if you're of an age (most of us) that watched him when he was elderly, you always knew he was suspect so theres nothing surprising there.
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I look forward to the similarly adapted drama in 10 years when the other ‘big untouchable name’ carks it and it all comes out.
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Oct 11, 2023 01:35
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I think Coogan is a bit Partridge-esque in his performance, but there’s also an element of his Tony Wilson in it. I think it’s an incredible performance, but I can see why people are finding it uncomfortable or, indeed, unnecessary.
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Oct 11, 2023 21:27
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I think it handles the whole thing really well to be honest with a big focus on the impact he had on victims. I think the main point though was to show how it could happen as it’s just so hard to process - it happened, people knew, and it was allowed to continue. That’s hard to get through your head so actually seeing it happen did help with that and understanding things like institutional inertia and how power lets you do anything. I can see why people might find it tasteless and I went in prepared to feel like that but I think they’ve done a good job. Also it los airing on BBC but they had no editorial control whatsoever, it was made by ITV.
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Don't think it got mentioned at the time, but The Sixth Commandment on iPlayer was a storming bit of true-crime drama. Obviously a less well known case and kind of lacks the ick of the Beeb cashing in on their own scandal.
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PriorMarcus posted:I doubt you'll ever get a really in-depth, mainstream look at the case. It would mean questioning institutions and individuals who are still in power and wildly popular and certainly knew more than they have let on. There's a few documentaries on youtube that get close. Like interviews from people who were abused in the 50s/60s by him, his own nephew, etc.
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Fatty posted:Don't think it got mentioned at the time, but The Sixth Commandment on iPlayer was a storming bit of true-crime drama. Obviously a less well known case and kind of lacks the ick of the Beeb cashing in on their own scandal. This was insanely good imo. One of those shows where in literally the first couple of minutes you're utterly hooked, and completely confident that what you're about to watch is top quality.
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Fatty posted:Don't think it got mentioned at the time, but The Sixth Commandment on iPlayer was a storming bit of true-crime drama. Obviously a less well known case and kind of lacks the ick of the Beeb cashing in on their own scandal. +1. Timothy Spall is incredible in it, and does a great job of pitching the killer as a 100% piece of poo poo but it's still completely understandable how a powerful personality like that both draws in the weaker personalities and intimidates the stronger personalities into not saying or doing anything.
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Oct 13, 2023 09:24
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The whole time it made you unsure how to feel about Martyn, obviously he was just as much of a victim of the powerful personality you couldn't help felling sympathy. But he was so complicit.
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Oct 13, 2023 14:00
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Oh no, I watched the first episode of Big Brother. I know how this ends. Luckily it’s the shortest season ever so won’t be the time sink it used to be. I already have OPINIONS.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Oh no, I watched the first episode of Big Brother. I know how this ends. Luckily it’s the shortest season ever so won’t be the time sink it used to be. Share those opinions because I'm also watching it, RIP free time So far I like Yinrun, Trish and Hallie. Was expecting to find Jordan annoying but turns out I actually enjoy his constant affected aura of misery. Olivia is doing my head in
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Oct 13, 2023 17:49
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My main take is, based on the launch episode Jenkin is just the most unlucky person in the world, and he’s taken it in his stride. He lost the first game just by pure luck, and the rest soon followed and got eliminated, he then got saw first by the housemate coming in to the hide n seek challenge who didn’t see that previous punishment, again by pure luck as there was 2 other people next to him. On the pass the parcel he again gets picked by someone who once again did not see him get 2 punishments already, and then BB stopped the music on him for the last round knowing full well he was gonna be seen as the bad guy… yet again by someone who has not seen how much he’d been crapped on, and he literally picked the person who’d barely been through the door and hasn’t spoken to and even said that was his reason. If he had spoken to her he’d probably not have picked her, because it was obvious she was going to be an issue. If he’d picked anyone else, they would’ve brushed it off I’m sure. I don’t like that BB has placated Olivia by giving her an immunity for such an easy challenge when she should fully be on the chopping block as per their own rules. No chance that was ever in the plan, but they realize she’s going to stir poo poo up constantly and don’t want her getting evicted. I like pretty much everyone so far though, and appreciate the demographics are pretty different to MAFS people. I was expecting a lot more lip filler. Anyway, here’s a quick live look in to the house… 
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Volcano posted:Olivia is doing my head in DOIN MA TATS UN
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Man, my kid has started watching the Clifford the big red dog adaptation on Netflix, and it stars Jack Whitehall doing an American accent and god I can't stand it. I also googled him and discovered he lives in a £17.5m town house in London with his Vogue model wife, and he also still somehow manages to look about 22 while being the same age as me and this whole episode has ruined my day.
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Oct 15, 2023 14:15
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And you ruined our day too making us remember Jack Whitehall existed again.
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We rewatched Fresh Meat recently and he's surprisingly decent until you remember that he's not really acting and he is just like that.
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Oct 15, 2023 15:12
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I can't stand Jack Whitehall, but he's genuinely great in season two of The Afterparty
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My heart absolutely sank when he was announced as being cast in Good Omens, and he was still pretty terrible. But at least he wasn’t in it much, which felt like a deliberate choice. His worst stuff is the shows he does with his dad, where they’re both insufferably posh together. His dad always comes across as genuinely unpleasant.
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stev posted:We rewatched Fresh Meat recently and he's surprisingly decent until you remember that he's not really acting and he is just like that. He was good in that, especially the scenes with Howard, they were always so delightfully baffled by each other. The funniest thing Jack Whitehall has ever done though, is the Big Fat Quiz of the Year where a VERY rambunctious Mr Blobby appears, and Jack just about widdles himself in sheer terror, spending most of the section huddled under a desk, pleading for Blobby to leave.
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The Perfect Element posted:Man, my kid has started watching the Clifford the big red dog adaptation on Netflix, and it stars Jack Whitehall doing an American accent and god I can't stand it. If I remember correctly there's a line in the film about his character growing up in different places which feels like it was put in to try and handwave his shoddy accent. I don't understand why you wouldn't just have him speak in his normal accent or just cast someone else. I will say, he's not bad in Jungle Cruise, but again he's basically playing himself.
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The_Doctor posted:His worst stuff is the shows he does with his dad, where they’re both insufferably posh together. His dad always comes across as genuinely unpleasant. "Incredibly rich celebrity goes on an all-expenses paid holiday with one or both of their parents" as a genre is a blight on humanity and a sad sign of how far our culture has fallen, I genuinely will never understand what anyone gets out of it
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Oct 16, 2023 12:23
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Adrianics posted:I can't stand Jack Whitehall, but he's genuinely great in season two of The Afterparty reality_groove posted:I will say, he's not bad in Jungle Cruise, but again he's basically playing himself. Didn't realise he was off working in America. I could see his "posh boy who says outrageous things" act working quite well over there. I don't love him, but don't hate him either. As others have said, he's good when playing himself, but any clips of his stand up I've seen have been terrible. Also, thanks for reminding me that there was a second series of The Afterparty. First one was good fun.
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A can see what they were going for, but the Ghosts finale was all a bit underwhelming. It all felt more like a series/season ender than the big farewell.
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Mickolution posted:Also, thanks for reminding me that there was a second series of The Afterparty. First one was good fun. I preferred the second season to the first, mainly because the mystery feels a lot better plotted and intracate, plus Zach Woods is fantastic in it. Sadly, Apple+ have cancelled it 
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reality_groove posted:If I remember correctly there's a line in the film about his character growing up in different places which feels like it was put in to try and handwave his shoddy accent. To be fair americans are so bad at recognising accents that as long as you're vaguely american it's fine
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Pablo Bluth posted:A can see what they were going for, but the Ghosts finale was all a bit underwhelming. It all felt more like a series/season ender than the big farewell.
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Taear posted:To be fair americans are so bad at recognising accents that as long as you're vaguely american it's fine Karl Urban in the Boys being repeatedly referred to as British
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Julio Cruz posted:Karl Urban in the Boys being repeatedly referred to as British The fact that his parents in the show are actually British comes across like a knowing in-joke.
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stev posted:The fact that his parents in the show are actually British comes across like a knowing in-joke. I genuinely thought it was a deliberate move to have him clearly not be British and just have it as a joke about this black ops guy having a really shaky legend
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I think the worst non-British actor doing a British accent I've seen was that Netflix show that Michael C Hall was randomly in a few years ago. Ostensibly set in London despite it clearly being filmed in Manchester and Liverpool, and Hall sounded like a street urchin from an amdram Dickens production.
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stev posted:The fact that his parents in the show are actually British comes across like a knowing in-joke. His dad was played by Australian actor John Noble, and he managed to have the same halfway round the world aussie/cockney accent as Urban, which felt strongly like lampshade hanging.
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Urban is an honourary Brit for getting people to forget the Stallone version of Judge Dredd.
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