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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Rite-Aid is filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy after facing significant fines and lawsuits for allegedly contributing to the opioid crisis.

They have secured a $3.4 billion loan in an attempt to stay in business during the bankruptcy process, so they aren't shutting down or being sold as of yet.

They also fired their CEO and appointed several new board members.

Rite Aid has an estimated $1 billion to $10 billion in liabilities and it was losing money in the last two quarters, so it will be difficult for them to get back on a profitable footing before their loan and bankruptcy proceedings end.

There will definitely be significant store closings, but after that it is unclear what happens with the company.

quote:

Rite Aid files for bankruptcy, appoints new leadership in financial restructuring initiative

Rite Aid Corp. filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Sunday in a financial restructuring effort that included the naming of new leadership as the drug retailer faces lawsuits on accusations of contributing to the opioid crisis.

The company said in a news release it initiated a voluntary court-supervised bankruptcy process after setting goals to reduce debt, increase financial flexibility and "execute on key initiatives" – including the potential sale of Elixir Solutions, an acceleration in determining the best path forward for some of its stores and the resolve of legal disputes in "an equitable manner."

In addition, Rite Aid said it secured a $3.45 billion financing commitment from lenders, which is expected to "provide sufficient liquidity" during the bankruptcy process.

"Rite Aid is continuing to deliver leading healthcare products and services across its retail and online platforms for the nearly one million customers it serves daily," the release said. "The Company remains committed to improving health outcomes and delivering on its purpose to help people achieve whole health for life."

In a court filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of New Jersey, Rite Aid listed estimated assets and liabilities in the range of $1 billion to $10 billion, according to Reuters.

The company also announced Jeffrey Stein was immediately appointed as CEO, Chief Restructuring Officer and a member of the board of directors. Stein replaces Elizabeth Burr, who will now serve on the company's board after working as interim CEO since January.

"As CEO, CRO, and a member of the Board of Directors, my priorities will include overseeing the actions now underway to strengthen the Company’s financial position and further advance its journey to reach its full potential as a modern neighborhood pharmacy. I have tremendous confidence in this business and the turnaround strategy that has been developed in recent months," Stein said.

Rite Aid also appointed Carrie Teffner and Paul Keglevic to its board of directors, effective immediately. Both have decades of leadership experience related to large-scale transformation initiatives and operational improvement and turnaround.

Rite Aid's decision to file for bankruptcy and to restructure its leadership comes after a tumultuous few years embroiled in declining sales and legal issues.

Most recently, the Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Rite Aid in March after accusing the pharmacy of "knowingly" contributing to the opioid crisis. CVS, Walgreens and Walmart have also faced similar legal troubles.

The DOJ lawsuit alleges Rite Aid infringed on the False Claims Act and the Controlled Substances Act by "knowingly" filling out unlawful prescriptions for drugs.

As of Sunday night, Rite Aid employs more than 6,100 pharmacists and operates more than 2,100 retail pharmacy locations across 17 states.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/rite-aid-files-bankruptcy-appoints-new-leadership-financial-restructuring-initiative

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Kloaked00
Jun 21, 2005

I was sitting in my office on that drizzly afternoon listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desk and reading my name on the glass of my office door: regnaD kciN

What time is the speaker vote scheduled for tomorrow?

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Rite-Aid is filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy after facing significant fines and lawsuits for allegedly contributing to the opioid crisis.

Sounds like the perfect time to re-invest all my BBBQ earnings in the next hot, bankrupt company!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I'm trying to recall when was the last time I even saw a RiteAid out in the wild.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

I thought they got bought out by whichever ghouls own CVS or Walgreens a long time ago.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Tiny Timbs posted:

I thought they got bought out by whichever ghouls own CVS or Walgreens a long time ago.

They were going to merge with Wal-Greens many years ago, but there were some anti-trust issues and they decided not to fight it. Instead, they just sold about 1/4 of their stores to Wal-Greens.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Oct 16, 2023

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

BonoMan posted:

I'm trying to recall when was the last time I even saw a RiteAid out in the wild.

There's one up the road from my house, but I don't usually go to it unless all I need is an envelope or a greeting card or something, otherwise I'll just go to the Walmart a couple miles out so I can get some groceries and stuff while I'm getting my prescription.

Plus there's one in the small college town next to mine. It actually bought out a longtime local pharmacy not too long ago after my one friend quit working there and the owner didn't have anyone else to pawn all the day-to-day work off on.

borkencode
Nov 10, 2004

ummel posted:

The GOP in Florida just signed people up with similar looking names to really screw with the election process. No campaigns or anything.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-florida-orlando-government-and-politics-b82ae695a6356d167f373d2055eef651

I've long thought that Dems should find some guy also named Ronald Reagan (or hell, just get Ronald Reagan Jr.) and get him on the ballot in a couple states, see if there's enough Florida voters unsure of what year it is to swing the state back to blue.

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?
Our Rite Aid just got a big face lift. It’s going to be mildly annoying if they shut down because it’s very close to my house and is the best place to get candy before a movie.

They are leaning pretty hard into the alternative medicine thing which makes me kind of want them to fail though.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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The U.S. and Venezuela have agreed to a deal where the U.S. will lift sanctions on Venezuela's state oil industry in exchange for Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro agreeing to hold a freer Presidential election monitored by the U.N. next year.

The conditions Venezuela has agreed to in order to make the election freer are:

- Agree to start a process to lift the ban on opposing political party candidates running.
- Allow the U.N. and international election monitors to observe the election.
- Allow some non-state run media to air during the election.
- A promise to abide by the election results.

The U.S. and Venezuela are expected to make an official joint announcement tomorrow in Barbados.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713923122347286823

quote:

BOGOTÁ, Colombia — The Biden administration and the government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro have agreed to a deal in which the U.S. would ease sanctions on Venezuela’s oil industry and the authoritarian state would allow a competitive, internationally monitored presidential election next year, according to two people familiar with the breakthrough talks.

The sanctions relief is to be announced after Maduro’s government and Venezuela’s U.S.-backed opposition sign an agreement to include commitments by the socialist government to allow a freer vote in 2024, the people said. They’re expected to do that during a meeting in Barbados on Tuesday with U.S. officials in attendance.

Maduro, who claimed victory in a 2018 election widely viewed as fraudulent, would agree to a process for lifting bans on opposition candidates running, one of the people said, though it is not clear how quickly that process would take place. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the talks.

A senior administration official said the deal did not include plans to unfreeze Venezuelan assets currently held in the United States. The U.S. is likely to put a time limit on any sanctions relief so that it could be reversed if Maduro didn’t comply with his end of deal.

Maduro would commit to accepting international electoral observations and opening up media access for the elections. It was not clear if the deal would also involve the release of political prisoners in Venezuela.

The Norwegian embassy in Mexico confirmed the Barbados meeting in a tweet Monday morning. The Norwegian government, which is facilitating the talks, said the Venezuelan government and the Unitary Platform — a coalition of Venezuelan opposition leaders — will be returning to negotiations “with the goal of reaching a political agreement.”

The delegations are to arrive this afternoon.

If the deal is signed, the U.S. government is prepared to announce the lifting of certain oil sanctions against Venezuela, the two people said. The sanctions relief could include a general license for Venezuela’s state-owned oil agency to resume business with the United States and other countries.

U.S. officials have said they would consider easing sanctions if Maduro laid the groundwork for free and fair presidential elections. A State Department representative did not respond to a request for comment.

The agreement comes days before Venezuela’s opposition parties plan to hold a primary vote to chose a single candidate to back against Maduro. The front-runner in the unofficial primary, María Corina Machado, is one of several opposition leaders the Maduro government has barred from running for office. The disqualification was sharply condemned by the U.S. government.

The United States has imposed sanctions against the Venezuelan government or Venezuelan individuals for more than 15 years, but significantly tightened them in early 2019 after declaring Maduro’s 2018 victory illegitimate.

The Trump administration sanctioned Venezuela’s state oil company, the central bank and key government officials. Then it imposed a wider economic embargo. It froze the property and interests of the Maduro government in the United States and prohibited Americans from doing business with the government.

The deal emerged from direct talks between Biden administration officials and Maduro government representatives that began last year during the start of the war in Ukraine. The Biden administration began easing restrictions on Chevron, the main U.S. oil company with assets in Venezuela, in a gesture intended to support talks between the Maduro government and the opposition.

The U.S. also announced this month it would resume direct deportation flights to Venezuela, another sign of thawing relations between the two countries. The strained relationship had limited the United States’ ability to return undocumented Venezuelan migrants.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

I used to work at Rite-Aid and it was poo poo. When that merger was in the works, the higher-ups stopped ordering regular supply refills for all the basic things like printer paper and pill bottles so we had a few fun months there trying to stretch whatever supplies we could scrounge while they cut hours so newly-arriving prescriptions piled up and some level of district manager eventually had to come in in-person to help fill scripts because we were eight hours behind. I bailed shortly after.

Robviously
Aug 21, 2010

Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist.

My favorite Rite-Aid story is when they bought out Brooks Pharmacies, our "town" had two of each. They closed one of the Rite-Aids and rebranded the two Brooks so there was a period of time when there was three Rite-Aids on a 2 mile stretch of road in the middle of town. Two still exist today.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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As background, the main thing that is killing Rite-Aid is the Department of Justice charging that Rite-Aid violated the Controlled Substances Act by looking the other way or not doing proper research into orders for prescription painkillers and nearly 1,000 civil lawsuits related to the same charge.

Essentially, the DOJ alleges that Rite-Aid received massive prescription orders for opioid painkillers from obvious pill mills or fraudulent pharmacies that would have been exposed with the tiniest bit of research, but decided not to do that research because the sales were so large and they thought that not asking questions would be better than asking and having to end the sales.

Some examples include processing orders to pharmacies in a town in Florida with a population of 7,000 for 40,000 pills a month, which would indicate that roughly 60% of the total population of the town was being prescribed an opioid every single day for the entire year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/business/rite-aid-bankruptcy.html

Edit: Rite-Aid denies this, obviously, and argues that a pharmacy doesn't just serve people located in its zip code and that they never received evidence of fraud, so they didn't act on it. The DOJ filed suit a few months ago and the criminal case + the thousands of civil cases are all ongoing.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Oct 16, 2023

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

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It's wild to me that pharmacies are getting hit this hard. The culture of pharmacies has changed dramatically since then, but prior to all the initiatives due to the opioid epidemic it was difficult to really verify that these were truly fraudulent prescriptions (outside the most extreme cases). There was no central database of controlled prescriptions. Each pharmacy had their own, but this was easy to get around by going to different pharmacies. It took us a long time to get independent pharmacies on board with centralized databases. The absolute failure of the DEA to do it's job being a law enforcement organization and the absolutely failure of the AMA and the Boards of Medicine to take action on bad doctors is now being redirected towards pharmacies who are now considered deputized law enforcement officers more than medical professionals. A community pharmacist's job historically was to check for drug interactions, and make sure the physician didn't write the wrong dose or the wrong drug. Now they're expected to hold the line against armed robberies (including locking out safe access so you have to sit there with a gun in your face for 15 minutes before it opens), expected to do deep research on patients and whether or not they really need pain meds (and then deal with patients flipping out while not pissing off corporate), and also check for interactions and kidney and liver function, and give vaccines, all while not having provider status and being able to bill out to insurance directly (some fat cat doctor under the "collaborative practice" agreement gets to bill out for all those), and provide counseling to new patients on new drugs, and provide counseling for OTC meds. It's absolutely an untenable situation for the profession.

No wonder Walgreens pharmacists are walking out and striking. The pharmacy professional organizations (ASHP and the universities) have absolutely failed the pharmacists, while continuing to line the pockets of the corporations.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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ummel posted:

It's wild to me that pharmacies are getting hit this hard. The culture of pharmacies has changed dramatically since then, but prior to all the initiatives due to the opioid epidemic it was difficult to really verify that these were truly fraudulent prescriptions (outside the most extreme cases). There was no central database of controlled prescriptions. Each pharmacy had their own, but this was easy to get around by going to different pharmacies. It took us a long time to get independent pharmacies on board with centralized databases. The absolute failure of the DEA to do it's job being a law enforcement organization and the absolutely failure of the AMA and the Boards of Medicine to take action on bad doctors is now being redirected towards pharmacies who are now considered deputized law enforcement officers more than medical professionals. A community pharmacist's job historically was to check for drug interactions, and make sure the physician didn't write the wrong dose or the wrong drug. Now they're expected to hold the line against armed robberies (including locking out safe access so you have to sit there with a gun in your face for 15 minutes before it opens), expected to do deep research on patients and whether or not they really need pain meds (and then deal with patients flipping out while not pissing off corporate), and also check for interactions and kidney and liver function, and give vaccines, all while not having provider status and being able to bill out to insurance directly (some fat cat doctor under the "collaborative practice" agreement gets to bill out for all those), and provide counseling to new patients on new drugs, and provide counseling for OTC meds. It's absolutely an untenable situation for the profession.

No wonder Walgreens pharmacists are walking out and striking. The pharmacy professional organizations (ASHP and the universities) have absolutely failed the pharmacists, while continuing to line the pockets of the corporations.

The thing that got Rite-Aid specifically was that some pharmacists reported them to the DOJ and DEA.

When they investigated, they found evidence that Rite-Aid was deleting suspicious order flags in their internal database and just following through on orders without asking questions or keeping records that they had been flagged as suspicious before.

H.R. Hufflepuff
Aug 5, 2005
The worst of all worlds

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

There seems to be a block of House Republicans who want it to be known that they are very opposed to Jim Jordan as Speaker, but also not very organized.

Part of the reason they didn't hold a vote last week was because there is a small group that says they won't support Jordan and are fielding YET ANOTHER alternate candidate. They haven't found anybody to do it yet, though.

They expect to have a name nominated before the end of today and by Tuesday at the latest.

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1713674456202174929

Narrator: The American people did not want Jim Jordan to be speaker

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Overwork issues are all accurate, but besides the point of the opioid dispensing issue.

The pharmacies that are getting hit are pharmacies where any reasonable person could tell there's something improper going on: prescribing clinics are known area pill mills, absurdly large quantities (eg 1200 tablets as a 30 day supply), etc. And the corporate entities, like Rite-Aid, getting hit are what should happen. Typically when you pull back the curtain on a ground-level chain pharmacy turning a blind eye to improper prescriptions, there are district or higher managers threatening the store employees to do it. The real tragedy is the lack of corporate management getting hit with individual consequences for their actions in pushing this kind of behavior.

Edit: If I've got enough professional training to say "I won't dispense this, it'll destroy your kidneys and put you in the hospital," I'm also perfectly capable of saying "I won't dispense this, it'll destroy your drive to breath and put you in the hospital."

PharmerBoy fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 16, 2023

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003

My first job was at an Eckerds that used to be a Fays that was in a mall. I'll be able to be one of those old people telling stories about things from my youth that don't exist anymore. It was across from a Woolworths that turned into a FYE.

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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♬My Name's On The Tip Of Your Tongue Keep Running Your Mouth♬

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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 5, 2023

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

borkencode posted:

I've long thought that Dems should find some guy also named Ronald Reagan (or hell, just get Ronald Reagan Jr.) and get him on the ballot in a couple states, see if there's enough Florida voters unsure of what year it is to swing the state back to blue.

I believe Reagons son Ronny is the complete opposite of how Reagan was and his name is close enough that I'm sure plenty of chuds would vote for him if he was on a ballet.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Charliegrs posted:

I believe Reagons son Ronny is the complete opposite of how Reagan was and his name is close enough that I'm sure plenty of chuds would vote for him if he was on a ballet.

Just like the great senator Jeff Johnson

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I’m just assuming Jim Jordan will inch away at the votes and become Speaker since that’s the most disgusting choice the Republicans can reasonable make at this moment.

shimmy shimmy
Nov 13, 2020

mannerup posted:

this take appears to have aged well with reporting this morning showing that the moderates, are indeed, caving


You can't argue that Jim Jordan doesn't know his fellow Republicans every well.

Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


STAC Goat posted:

I’m just assuming Jim Jordan will inch away at the votes and become Speaker since that’s the most disgusting choice the Republicans can reasonable make at this moment.

Part of me is leaning towards some of the "holdouts" flipping primarily because there is a 0% chance Jordan doesn't absolutely tank the job (and his political future).

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Retro42 posted:

Part of me is leaning towards some of the "holdouts" flipping primarily because there is a 0% chance Jordan doesn't absolutely tank the job (and his political future).

the only thing having a chance of tanking his political future is being found guilty for covering up sexual assault at OSU, and even then I don't think that'll quite do it.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Angry_Ed posted:

the only thing having a chance of tanking his political future is being found guilty for covering up sexual assault at OSU, and even then I don't think that'll quite do it.

Maybe, but on the other hand, "being a Republican Speaker of the House" currently has a pretty impressive kill streak going.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Angry_Ed posted:

the only thing having a chance of tanking his political future is being found guilty for covering up sexual assault at OSU, and even then I don't think that'll quite do it.

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look....Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Quorum posted:

Maybe, but on the other hand, "being a Republican Speaker of the House" currently has a pretty impressive kill streak going.

Its possible Jordan may avoid this curse by simply never actually attempting to do his job or help keep the government running.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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bird food bathtub posted:

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look....Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Still depressing/darkly hilarious that Billy Bush had his career ruined, was blacklisted from TV, and couldn't appear in public for several years afterwards over that tape and Trump went on to become President.

Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


STAC Goat posted:

Its possible Jordan may avoid this curse by simply never actually attempting to do his job or help keep the government running.

Utterly on brand for Jordan to be Speaker and not manage to keep the government open or even pass a single bill.

Seriously though, either he works with the Senate/Dems or the govt stays closed until we get a new Speaker. I'm fairly certain Jordan even saying a single polite word to a Dem loses him 5% in his district. I can't think of a single GOP member that could get AND pull off the job right now and still have a seat after the elections.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
So if Jordan becomes speaker then will it have been a massive mistake for the Dems to not just vote for McCarthy when they had the chance? Especially if they could have gotten some concessions out of it? Like say what you want about Mcarthy but he's nowhere near as insane as Jordan. Do we really think Jordan would prevent a govt shutdown the way Mcarthy did? Also Ukraine is completely screwed with Jordan as speaker.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

Charliegrs posted:

So if Jordan becomes speaker then will it have been a massive mistake for the Dems to not just vote for McCarthy when they had the chance? Especially if they could have gotten some concessions out of it? Like say what you want about Mcarthy but he's nowhere near as insane as Jordan. Do we really think Jordan would prevent a govt shutdown the way Mcarthy did? Also Ukraine is completely screwed with Jordan as speaker.

Nah. McCarthy'd still be running the Hastert rule. If he didn't his own caucus would tear him down. So there's no point.

Zeron
Oct 23, 2010
McCarthy didn't even even hint that he was open to concessions, so there's no point putting that on Dems. I can't think of any stupider move for a party than to save the other party from their own stupidity without getting anything from it.

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

Charliegrs posted:

So if Jordan becomes speaker then will it have been a massive mistake for the Dems to not just vote for McCarthy when they had the chance? Especially if they could have gotten some concessions out of it? Like say what you want about Mcarthy but he's nowhere near as insane as Jordan. Do we really think Jordan would prevent a govt shutdown the way Mcarthy did? Also Ukraine is completely screwed with Jordan as speaker.

Mccarthy never offered concessions. The Democrats are better off letting the Republicans fully own their own inadequacies instead of bailing them out for free.

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

Mccarthy only prevented a government shutdown by sheer incompetence. He expected the Dems would refuse a CR without additional ukraine money so he could grandstand about how dems were responsible for the shutdown

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Charliegrs posted:

So if Jordan becomes speaker then will it have been a massive mistake for the Dems to not just vote for McCarthy when they had the chance? Especially if they could have gotten some concessions out of it? Like say what you want about Mcarthy but he's nowhere near as insane as Jordan. Do we really think Jordan would prevent a govt shutdown the way Mcarthy did? Also Ukraine is completely screwed with Jordan as speaker.

There's no functional difference between Speaker McCarthy and Speaker Jordan. The Democrats gained absolutely nothing from saving Kevin, as he refused any sort of concessions. As a result the only difference is that the Republicans are trying to put up someone who is actually even more unlikable than Kevin.


I'm still not convinced Jordan is even close to actually clenching this thing. Scumbag had like 80 votes he needed to pick up, and we all know that it only takes a couple hold outs to tank his election. I'm especially skeptical while McCarthy continues to make sure everyone knows that he's not at all hungry while his stomach is loudly rumbling and he's drooling while looking with pleading eyes.

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

Mccarthy never offered concessions. The Democrats are better off letting the Republicans fully own their own inadequacies instead of bailing them out for free.

I mean McCarthy went down in about the funniest way possible and obviously Democrats owed him nothing, but I keep hearing talk about leaving Republicans to clean up their own mess and don't really know what it means exactly. What exactly would Democrats have been bailing them out of? A few extra weeks of wrangling?

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

AKA Pseudonym posted:

I mean McCarthy went down in about the funniest way possible and obviously Democrats owed him nothing, but I keep hearing talk about leaving Republicans to clean up their own mess and don't really know what it means exactly. What exactly would Democrats have been bailing them out of? A few extra weeks of wrangling?

The Democrats and (relatively) moderate Republicans could’ve easily kept McCarthy in the Speaker role. But if he didn’t offer concessions then all that would do would be to not force the GOP to figure their own poo poo out, while more or less signing off on McCarthy doing the same GOP bullshit that he was and the same GOP bullshit Jordan will do.

A bunch of Republicans are going to either have to vote for a more moderate Republican or a crazy person and Democrats in competitive districts will be able to harangue them about it. That’s good. Make them all go on record for the same guy.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
So is Jordan's best chance to get elected speaker going to be in 30ish days when another government shutdown is looming?

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Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


AKA Pseudonym posted:

I mean McCarthy went down in about the funniest way possible and obviously Democrats owed him nothing, but I keep hearing talk about leaving Republicans to clean up their own mess and don't really know what it means exactly. What exactly would Democrats have been bailing them out of? A few extra weeks of wrangling?

Dems "could" have voted against the Motion to Vacate. They could have said "meh, we'll keep McCarthy in the job I GUESS". I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but the final tally was 8 GOP (Gaetz and the like) + the Dems to give the majority approval to the motion. What's TRULY funny is that the undercurrent has been from some Dems of "If McCarthy wasn't such a lying POS we would have helped" and it's 100% true.

Both McCarthy and the GOP as a whole made this mess in their own special ways.

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