[P/I] US aid a piers to be missing

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Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

PawParole posted:

Even if America gives Israel 50 billion dollars they won�t be able to buy more ammo. Ukraine spent all the West has, and North Korea won�t sell.

South Korea, India and Pakistan are all possibilities.

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PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1713688493841670429

# ? Oct 17, 2023 06:53

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

Lpzie posted:

we're entering Hitler 2

i�ve been inside hitler for a while

# ? Oct 17, 2023 06:54

dti: Oct 17, 2023; by Modern Video Games

Weka posted:

South Korea, India and Pakistan are all possibilities.

Pakistan was already IMFd into sending arms to Ukraine. To IDF, not gonna happen.

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SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

China please send anti tank missiles to the brave freedom fighters in Gaza

# ? Oct 17, 2023 06:55

Boat Stuck: Apr 20, 2021; I tried to sneak through the canal, man! Can't make it, can't make it, the ship's stuck! Outta my way son! BOAT STUCK! BOAT STUCK!

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

China please send anti tank missiles to the brave freedom fighters in Gaza

If China was as trigger-happy as the US, China would already have used this opportunity to invade Taiwan.

Unfortunately China is not trigger happy, so it's going to stay out of this to the best of its ability.

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:00

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Reform the Persian empire and declare a holy war to reclaim the holy lands Khomeini..it is your destiny

First he would have to be resurrected, perhaps through the dark necromantic arts rumored to be controlled by Putin. If you meant Khamenei, then he is a man of god not an imperialist.

dti posted:

Pakistan was already IMFd into sending arms to Ukraine. To IDF, not gonna happen.

Why not? I'm sure the bribes were fairly cheap the first time.

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:00

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

quote:

U.S. and Israel Focus on Hezbollah�s Next Move After Hamas Attack
American officials said they believed the deployment of aircraft carrier strike groups has, at least for now, deterred Hezbollah from opening a new front in the war.

By Julian E. Barnes, Ronen Bergman and Adam Entous
Julian E. Barnes and Adam Entous report on American intelligence agencies, and Ronen Bergman reports on Israeli spy agencies.

Oct. 16, 2023

U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies are working to determine whether Israel�s expected ground offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip could prompt Hezbollah to launch a large-scale military campaign against Israel from Lebanon, American and Israeli officials said.

American officials said they believe the deployment of two carrier strike groups, each of which consists of an aircraft carrier, its planes and several escort warships, has � for now � appeared to deter Hezbollah from attacking Israel in a major way. Israel has also reinforced its northern border after the attack by Hamas on Oct. 7, in which 1,400 people were killed.

Israeli and American officials currently assess that Hezbollah�s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, does not want an all-out war with Israel, for fear of the damage it would do to his group and Lebanon. U.S. officials said that assessment could change as more intelligence is gathered and events unfold.

In addition, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has vetoed proposals from his government of a pre-emptive strike against Hezbollah, according to American officials and others briefed on the discussions.

Keeping the war confined to Gaza is a key American and Israeli priority. A significant campaign by Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed Lebanese Shiite group, would force Israel to fight simultaneously on two fronts, a difficult feat. It could also possibly draw the United States into the conflict, potentially by launching airstrikes against Hezbollah targets.

Immediately after the Hamas attack, U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies concluded that Mr. Nasrallah was surprised by the scale and intensity of the assault. It was part of a growing body of evidence that neither Hezbollah nor Iran helped plan such a major attack by Hamas, said U.S. and allied officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to divulge sensitive details about the crisis.

Spy agencies had long assessed that Mr. Nasrallah, whose group fought a 33-day war with Israel in 2006, did not want an all-out conflict with Israel, despite Hezbollah�s persistent anti-Israel rhetoric.

Some Iranians have disputed those assessments, arguing Mr. Nasrallah helped plan the Hamas attack. And Western intelligence is imperfect. U.S. and Israeli officials, for example, did not believe Hamas wanted to launch such a major operation against Israel before the attack on Oct. 7.

U.S. officials are increasingly concerned that Mr. Nasrallah will come under pressure from the group�s hard-line members to engage in the kind of full-scale war he has publicly called for but, U.S. and Israeli officials said, he has privately sought to avoid.

What intelligence agencies are trying to determine is whether Mr. Nasrallah is now more likely to take actions he had previously avoided, what those actions would be and whether the threat of direct American involvement on Israel�s side will be enough to keep him on the sidelines, and if so, for how long.

Before the attack on Oct. 7, according to Israeli officials, Mr. Nasrallah had considered Israel at a particularly weak point in its history. But Israel�s reaction to the attack, including the intense barrage of airstrikes on Gaza that have killed 2,808 people, and the preparations for a ground offensive, could have shifted Hezbollah�s strategy, a senior Israeli defense official said.

This is one reason current American intelligence agencies believe that Mr. Nasrallah wants to keep his organization out of a major war, U.S. officials said.

Still, Israel�s northern border has been tense.

Clashes along the border with Lebanon � the most serious since the 2006 war � and Israeli airstrikes inside Syria have stoked fears of a wider conflict in the region.

Israel has evacuated the northern border and reinforced it with military units to deter any potential attack, but clashes broke out on Sunday and Monday. Hezbollah fired at an Israeli tank and other positions on Monday, while Israel responded with artillery fire.

Though serious, Hezbollah�s attacks have mostly been fairly contained.

Hezbollah appears to have calculated that the kinds of attacks it has carried out so far are enough to show solidarity with Hamas, but not enough to provoke a large-scale response by Israel, according to an Israeli defense official.

But Israeli officials cautioned that the northern front remains a vital concern. Mr. Nasrallah could be pressured to step up attacks. If an errant strike kills a large number of people, Israel could respond with far greater force, according to Israeli officials.

Hezbollah poses a markedly more serious threat than Hamas because of its vast arsenal of precision-guided missiles and thousands of experienced fighters.

�There is a risk of an escalation of this conflict, the opening of a second front in the north and, of course, of Iran�s involvement,� Jake Sullivan, President Biden�s national security adviser, said on CBS News on Sunday.

�He wants to send a very clear message of deterrence to any state or any actor that would seek to exploit this situation,� Mr. Sullivan added, referring to Mr. Biden.

In 2006, Hezbollah fighters ambushed an Israeli border patrol, killing three soldiers and capturing two more, leading to weeks of fighting that left more than 1,000 Lebanese, mostly civilians, and roughly 165 Israelis, mostly soldiers, dead.

The war was viewed on both sides as having mixed results, entrenching Hezbollah in Lebanon as a powerful military and political force but also causing enormous damage in Lebanon.

Since then, Hezbollah has expanded its arsenal of rockets and missiles, many provided by Iran or procured with support from Tehran. While the border has remained volatile, Israel and Hezbollah have largely managed simmering tensions in order to prevent another major escalation.

For the past eight years, for example, the Israeli military has attempted to avoid killing Hezbollah fighters, even as it has struck other targets in Syria and Lebanon.

Israeli officials believe their strategy for managing the conflict with Hezbollah has largely been successful.

U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies buttressed that assessment with their analysis that Mr. Nasrallah was wary of provoking another all-out war, which he believed could deal significant damage to his organization and weaken his power. To reduce the chances of that happening, Mr. Nasrallah has kept cross-border attacks rare and relatively small, Israeli officials said.

In turn, Israeli officials said they believed that Israel�s muted responses to Hezbollah�s provocations reduced pressure on Mr. Nasrallah to escalate the conflict further, shortening each cycle of violence and allowing calm to be restored.

American officials said Mr. Nasrallah�s next moves would likely depend on how the Israeli ground war in Gaza unfolds. U.S. and Israeli officials fear Mr. Nasrallah may no longer be able to resist the pressure to open a northern front as the number of Palestinian casualties rise during the ground invasion.

�If Hamas looks like it will be destroyed, Hezbollah will have incredible pressure to get directly involved and open a northern front,� said Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official and C.I.A. officer. �The more civilians killed, the more outrage will come from people in the region. This will put more pressure on Hezbollah to join the fight or lose credibility.�

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/us/politics/israel-hezbollah-us-gaza-hamas.html

New York Times article on the US and Israeli view on Hezbollah. I highlighted the quotes from Israeli officials because they are something.

Parts of the Israeli government want to pre-emptively strike Hezbollah

Israeli officials believe Israel looks stronger to Hezbollah now than it did before the war because the IOF bombed Gaza so much

They think they've managed the conflict with Hezbollah well and have only had muted counter-attacks to the resistance actions out of Lebanon in recent days. Note that Israel killed journalists in Lebanon and has used white phosphorus in it's attacks.

Basically

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:03

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1713688493841670429

Mearsheimer don't miss

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:04

RedQueen: Apr 21, 2007; It takes all the running you can do just to stay in the same place.

https://twitter.com/presidenttoguro/status/1713637372548546605?s=46&t=gFuHaV-Ny-xS1fvH41hBjQ

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:05

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

turn off the TV posted:

the claim that it's been over 100 years since 1949 is a bold take that really sets the stage for this whole argument

There are 4 Geneva conventions and the first one was like 100 years before 1949.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Geneva_Convention

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:06

Asproigerosis: Mar 13, 2013; insufferable

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1713688493841670429

Stand back and stand by!

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:11

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/AstuteCFO/status/1713832236376850656

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:13

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/AstuteCFO/status/1713832236376850656

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ram dass in hell: Dec 29, 2019

Look Who's Hitler Too

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:18

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

RedQueen posted:

https://twitter.com/presidenttoguro/status/1713637372548546605?s=46&t=gFuHaV-Ny-xS1fvH41hBjQ

India was actually pro-Palestine until Modi

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Ardennes: May 12, 2002

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1713688493841670429

Yeah, it is both difficult to predict and also as difficult to resolve, the Israelis are counting up the numbers of civilian dead, but they don't seriously seem to be hitting Hamas. Perhaps they did get a few leaders here and there, but almost certainly Hamas has built in redundancy into their organization for a reason.

That said, Biden going to Israel just to wave the flag a bit is pretty stupid, and he is just reassuring people who already know America is on their side while enraging and alienating much of the the rest of the world.

Also, it really doesn't make sense for Hezbollah or Iran (or related militas etc) to make a dramatic move at this point unless the Israelis do something and it sounds like they are quietly setting up which is going to take a few weeks (which is when the Eisenhower gets there anyway).

The two state solution has been dead for a very long time but it is practically a joke at this point.

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:20

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Atrocious Joe posted:

since the Geneva Convention is out of date, when you post DTI you are now a combatant in the cyber front and the IOF can legitimately target you

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:22

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/AstuteCFO/status/1713832236376850656

i would pay to see wolf blitzer being hanged commented on by wolf blitzer

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:22

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

(wolf blitzer voice) and here is the rope, with which they will hang me with. WOW

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:23

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

Homeless Friend posted:

(wolf blitzer voice) and here is the rope, with which they will hang me with. WOW

lol

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lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

Homeless Friend posted:

(wolf blitzer voice) and here is the rope, with which they will hang me with. WOW

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Death By The Blues: Oct 30, 2011

Israel launched a massive raid last night in the West Bank to arrest the leadership of Hamas and PIJ.

https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1714165146266833233

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:27

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Homeless Friend posted:

(wolf blitzer voice) and here is the rope, with which they will hang me with. WOW

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PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/PaulSkallas/status/1714022151945085192

Boomers being evil again!

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:28

Kunster: Dec 24, 2006

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/AstuteCFO/status/1713832236376850656

I woke up to someone really angry on the news that he couldn't go around naming the israeli family casualities "For the sake of journalism" and it was one hell of a hit after seeing confirmed that families of the hostages were being targeted as well by the Israeli since they were a hindrance to the "Raze Gaza into the ground" plans.

This was the same guy who wrote a "Snowden's findings were useless bc people didn't give a poo poo." article in defense of removing data privacy rights and another calling Marielle Franco's death investigations idpol poo poo, so I shouldn't be really surprised.

Kunster has issued a correction as of 07:32 on Oct 17, 2023

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:29

Teriyaki Koinku: Nov 25, 2008; Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

jesus christ
https://twitter.com/thetomzone/status/1714141663369547987?s=20

lol you should check out the other opinion piece expressing indignation about students calling out Israel for genocide.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/13/opinions/israel-hamas-harvard-stanford-campus-protest-fish

CNN sucks and is one of the biggest cheerleaders for Israel's genocide campaign.

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/PaulSkallas/status/1714022151945085192

Boomers being evil again!

lol at the framing of this question btw

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:37

Teriyaki Koinku: Nov 25, 2008; Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/PaulSkallas/status/1714022151945085192

Boomers being evil again!

lmao I love the wording on this so much.

If it was anything approaching neutral wording it'd read more like "Percentage of respondents who believe X sorted/grouped by age", not this leading horse poo poo.

e: even the grammar is hosed on this. Interpreting this literally would mean that Israel is more justified the older you are, which I guess can be interpreted as true in a cosmic comedic sort of way.

I think what happened is that they had "Israel's military response to Hamas attacks is fully justified" already thought up and then slapped on a few extra words at the end for the flimsiest of rhetorical dressing

Teriyaki Koinku has issued a correction as of 07:46 on Oct 17, 2023

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PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

Remember that 30 percent of boomers are evangelicals while under 30 it�s like 7 percent.

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:42

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Was wondering how many fighters Hezbollah has, Nasrallah says 100,000, so I searched The Military Balance and it didn't mention 'Hezbollah' once. Seems like an oversight and more relevant than the included information about Lebanon's army which is half that size.

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:43

Death By The Blues: Oct 30, 2011

Israeli ministry of health telling hospitals to have four months of stock, guess they aren't deescalating.

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1714169559870054681

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1714169738648015358

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:43

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Yeah, that one is pretty stark even for the US. There is a reason no one seems to care since literally just boomers and some Xers.

Weka posted:

Was wondering how many fighters Hezbollah has, Nasrallah says 100,000, so I searched The Military Balance and it didn't mention 'Hezbollah' once. Seems like an oversight and more relevant than the included information about Lebanon's army which is half that size.

Probably some what uncountable, but there were about 20,000 in Syria during its Civil War with forces back in Lebanon, so many 50-60,000 with about half that number of reserves if I really wanted to guess.

Hezbollah does seem pretty well armed, and they almost certainly have access to Syrian/Iranian stocks of weapons (which also include some Chinese and Russian tech). It is unclear what would be devoted to each front though but they should have wide access to drones, MRLS systems, tube artillery, and ATGMs etc.

Everyone in the thread comments how meek Hezbollah/Iran has been but if anything the 2006 war was sparked by far less than what has already occurred. Hezbollah hasn't gone all in, but it is clear that the Israelis have been going very light themselves with only a relative handful of strikes.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 07:52 on Oct 17, 2023

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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/AstuteCFO/status/1713832236376850656

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:48

PhilippAchtel: May 31, 2011

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1713688493841670429

The two state solution is dead. Perhaps a three state solution... or more? 🤔

https://twitter.com/cashewpaladin/status/1713846119942308344

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:54

salartarium: Sep 7, 2021

I wonder if Israel is still going to allow Gaza and the West Bank to roll out 4G cellular by the end of the year. It�s going to seriously hamper the local economy especially as worldwide people shift to mobile devices only.

# ? Oct 17, 2023 07:58

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

salartarium posted:

I wonder if Israel is still going to allow Gaza and the West Bank to roll out 4G cellular by the end of the year. It’s going to seriously hamper the local economy especially as worldwide people shift to mobile devices only.

Well yeah, but only after the resorts are done being constructed obviously

# ? Oct 17, 2023 08:00

TDepressionEarl: Oct 28, 2010; I'm trying to win the World Cup
but I'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps playing Argentina onside

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

lmao I love the wording on this so much.

Interpreting this literally would mean that Israel is more justified the older you are, which I guess can be interpreted as true in a cosmic comedic sort of way.

end the war, kill your parents

# ? Oct 17, 2023 08:08

1glitch0: Sep 4, 2018; I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

Rectal Death Adept posted:

whoa what the gently caress

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Popy: Feb 19, 2008

harden your heart putin

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