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Von Pluring posted:Sorry, that's what I meant. The post I replied to said anti-islam, not anti-muslim. Sorry for going all out aggro then.
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Potrzebie posted:Sorry for going all out aggro then. No, that’s on me. I was being all edgy and stuff.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I mean, they're gonna be working for them anyway, so might as well have them share the cost. well it's certainly a good way of making the arrangement explicit, but you'd think that a tremendously wealthy petrostate could at least pay its own spooks
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V. Illych L. posted:well it's certainly a good way of making the arrangement explicit, but you'd think that a tremendously wealthy petrostate could at least pay its own spooks No no, you see. Ally, and On paper I assume the US have paid for much of the installations using US tech that Norway doesn't produce ourselves - but I'm pretty sure there are some close personal ties between PST leadership and someone high up in the CIA
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Von Pluring posted:No, that’s on me. I was being all edgy and stuff. gently caress off
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thotsky posted:gently caress off
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thotsky posted:gently caress off
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thotsky posted:gently caress off This, but for everyone
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Anders posted:No no, you see. Ally, and to be clear wormdal's mostly writing about E-tjenesten, not PST - though i assume that PST similarly has connections to US intelligence a major moment of disillusionment for me was when i learned that haakon lie had been informing for the OSS/CIA basically throughout the post-war period. imo some highly shady deals were made circa 1944-45 between the labour party and US and i remain convinced (though this is not a belief well-supported by specific evidence) that jens chr hauge was also some kind of foreign asset when he joined the Party after the war
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V. Illych L. posted:well it's certainly a good way of making the arrangement explicit, but you'd think that a tremendously wealthy petrostate could at least pay its own spooks doesnt seem like a widely known thing though, if the knowledge of it is limited to "weirdo cranks" and people who have no interest in making it widely known then it doesnt matter how explicit it is
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Megamissen posted:doesnt seem like a widely known thing though, if the knowledge of it is limited to "weirdo cranks" and people who have no interest in making it widely known then it doesnt matter how explicit it is bård wormdal has over thirty years of work for the public broadcaster under his belt and is published on aschehoug so idk how much of a crank he can reasonably be said to be he's got a bit of a hobby horse or he probably wouldn't have written a book about it, but i get the impression that this follows from his experience with the topic over a long period of time rather than the contrary
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do you guys have real lifetime sentences? in norway we had to find a weird technicality to make sure anders behring breivik never gets out
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It's undetermined. When you've served 10 years you can apply to have a fixed sentence set but it'll never be less than 18 years in total.
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Denmark has forvaring which is reserved for criminally insane people and I forget the initial sentence limit but the idea is it can be (and often is) extended indefinitely. A "livstid" sentence for normal people is like 20 years.
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jeebus bob posted:Denmark has forvaring which is reserved for criminally insane people and I forget the initial sentence limit but the idea is it can be (and often is) extended indefinitely. yeah this is similar to how we do it in norway, maximum normal criminal sentence is 21 years but they somehow finagled breivik into a version of forvaring which doen't presuppose him being criminally insane. i don't understand this system very well, so i may be missing something, but my impression at the time was that we were finding a bit of a loophole to ensure that this specific guy was never ever coming back out
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah this is similar to how we do it in norway, maximum normal criminal sentence is 21 years but they somehow finagled breivik into a version of forvaring which doen't presuppose him being criminally insane. i don't understand this system very well, so i may be missing something, but my impression at the time was that we were finding a bit of a loophole to ensure that this specific guy was never ever coming back out Uh. M. Just... Oh for gently caress's sake. V. Illych L. posted:yeah this is similar to how we do it in norway Not really, depending on how broad a definition of similar you are applying. V. Illych L. posted:maximum normal criminal sentence is 21 years No it isn't, check out chap. 16. It's 30 years. Depending ln whether you consider genocide etc. "normal" crimes but they do count in the range of ordinary criminal prison sentences. V. Illych L. posted:but they somehow finagled breivik into a version of forvaring which doen't presuppose him being criminally insane No, they didn't. It's not a requirement of forvaring that the defendant be any type of insane, check out chap. 7 more specifically § 40. And Breivik was not found to have been insane during his crimes. V. Illych L. posted:i don't understand this system very well, so i may be missing something, but my impression at the time was that we were finding a bit of a loophole to ensure that this specific guy was never ever coming back out No you don't (no offense), you are missing something, and Breivik was just plain sentenced to forvaring. There are no loopholes to criminal convictions. But seriously, would you like to be the judge who lets Breivik out? I would never ever make that call personally, guy's a loving whacko and the biggest recidivist risk I have ever seen.
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ah, the fish signal has been lighted. thanks for clarifying e-'. to be clear, though, i don't consider crimes against humanity to be "normal" crimes. i think they're pretty extraordinary
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V. Illych L. posted:ah, the fish signal has been lighted. thanks for clarifying My obsessive compulsion is quite predictable, isn't it. Tragic.
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nah it's legitimately good that you clear up this stuff, all i know about it is from what i read in the news and so it makes sense that i have internalised some misunderstandings
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The whole point of the internet is being able to post your misinformed opinions so that someone else corrects you.
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V. Illych L. posted:ah, the fish signal has been lighted. thanks for clarifying They do happen a lot though... Not that I'm disagreeing with the sentiment. I think there are some similarities between Breivik and Varg Vikernes, who is a free man today. Especially in how little their outlook have changed.
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And when that makes zero difference in inter-criminal violence (because it would do Jack poo poo), what then Jimmie? Hmmm?
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Haven't you been listening? Reichsführer Åkesson will do his utmost to purge Sweden of race traitors, that'll fix everything right quick!
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Is Sweden trying to make Denmark look less poo poo, because I'm not buying it yet.
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BigglesSWE posted:And when that makes zero difference in inter-criminal violence (because it would do Jack poo poo), what then Jimmie? Hmmm?
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Rust Martialis posted:Is Sweden trying to make Denmark look less poo poo, because I'm not buying it yet. I wonder if they're familiar with Zeno's paradox of Achilles and the tortoise
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BonHair posted:They do happen a lot though... Not that I'm disagreeing with the sentiment. But even more differences. Varg killed one man. And even though he hasn't changed his outlook (whatever that means) he hasn't committed any crimes since being released from prison so you can argue that he was rehabilitated by serving in prison.
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Mordekai posted:But even more differences. Varg killed one man. And even though he hasn't changed his outlook (whatever that means) he hasn't committed any crimes since being released from prison so you can argue that he was rehabilitated by serving in prison. wasn't there a prison sentence in France for inciting terrorism or something around ten years ago?
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still, just to be clear, nowhere near being on the same level as breivik, so i'm not disagreeing on that point
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ulvir posted:wasn't there a prison sentence in France for inciting terrorism or something around ten years ago? Charges were dropped
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Mordekai posted:But even more differences. Varg killed one man. And even though he hasn't changed his outlook (whatever that means) he hasn't committed any crimes since being released from prison so you can argue that he was rehabilitated by serving in prison. Yeah, shitposting on youtube and making dumb racist RPGs is not yet illegal in and of itself, so. In general, I think a lot of young dumb guys who might commit violent crimes become less dangerous (if not less dumb) as they age. Not everyone, of course.
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sweden, denmark, finland, iceland what the hell guys https://twitter.com/UN_News_Centre/status/1717992371906839005/photo/2
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Finland has historically not voted on these resolutions, as in part it was Norway who put us in a bad place.
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V. Illych L. posted:..., iceland what the hell guys Yeah I'm rather angry atm
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V. Illych L. posted:sweden, denmark, finland, iceland what the hell guys Did you honestly expect any better from the swedish goverment run by a pygme that allied himself with fascists?
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lol that Turkey voted yes and Sweden did not
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McCloud posted:Did you honestly expect any better from the swedish goverment run by We all know who calls all the shots. Just lol at the times our ministers have had to humiliate themselves publicly because something they did that made daddy Åkesson mad.
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V. Illych L. posted:sweden, denmark, finland, iceland what the hell guys Our Swedish foreign minister openly claimed that Israel's bombing of civilians in Gaza is "proportional" and part of Israel's right to defend itself. He's so dense and bad at doing the dog whistling that the critizism was severe enough, even from part of the Right, that he had to backpedal. But yeah, I'm very very not surprised.
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McCloud posted:Did you honestly expect any better from the swedish goverment run by a pygme that allied himself with fascists? it is genuinely difficult to overstate the extent to which the norwegian security state is involved with the americans and our foreign service managed to scrounge up the backbone to vote in favour. granted this may be a sop because the labour movement is furious with the government over energy policy, but still Rappaport posted:Finland has historically not voted on these resolutions, as in part it was Norway who put us in a bad place. you're in NATO
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