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Now Jordan is losing votes from yesterday and they're almost certainly going to resort to extending McHenry's powers past the CR.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:25
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Xombie posted:Now Jordan is losing votes from yesterday and they're almost certainly going to resort to extending McHenry's powers past the CR. Can they give him any of the real Speaker's powers? Or do they have to actually factually elect a new one?
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Oct 18, 2023 17:26
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Oct 18, 2023 17:27
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Fuschia tude posted:Can they give him any of the real Speaker's powers? Or do they have to actually factually elect a new one? A majority can pretty much do whatever they want. They make their own rules, the constitution only requires that the house be run by a speaker, and the courts won't likely get involved with a complaint that this interim speaker can't be given some power.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:30
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What just happened that they got all fussy about and had to call order?
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Oct 18, 2023 17:31
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mannerup posted:there are no real enumerated powers for the Speaker in the constitution (except for the fact that a Speaker must be elected), so they have a lot of leeway in what they can empower a speaker pro tem with But what powers are enumerated for a pro tem in the current House rules? (And changing those mid-term requires a Speaker to bring it up for a vote, then it's just simple majority, right?)
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Oct 18, 2023 17:32
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Xombie posted:What just happened that they got all fussy about and had to call order? Either Jeffries or Jordan voting for himself.
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Oct 18, 2023 17:33
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So who does the GOP even have on deck now?
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Oct 18, 2023 17:42
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Fabricated posted:So who does the GOP even have on deck now? McHenry lol
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Oct 18, 2023 17:43
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If they’re going to give McHenry power to run things anyway why not just elect him as speaker and state that business will continue until they can figure out something else, and then he steps down/is axed in favor of whoever they work out?
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Oct 18, 2023 17:43
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They should just start calling full quorum votes for each gop rep one at a time until someone gets the votes. Just go alphabetically.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:45
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:If they’re going to give McHenry power to run things anyway why not just elect him as speaker and state that business will continue until they can figure out something else, and then he steps down/is axed in favor of whoever they work out? Because they will need the dems to go along to elect McHenry
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Oct 18, 2023 17:45
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"Accidentally" electing Jeffries is almost the best outcome for the Republicans at this point. If the party is too fractured to actually get their own candidate elected they could just campaign off the Democrats "stealing" the job instead. As it stands I have no idea how they raise money nationwide with someone like Jordan running the show.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:47
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MegaZeroX posted:Because they will need the dems to go along to elect McHenry I assumed they weren’t counting on Dems to help give McHenry the temporary powers and were going to work that out among themselves. If they need the Dems then the Dems better extract some solid concessions. Which, granting those would mean McHenry would become completely unelectable to the HFC.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:51
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I assumed they weren’t counting on Dems to help give McHenry the temporary powers and were going to work that out among themselves. they aren't working it out among themselves at this point
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Oct 18, 2023 17:52
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:If they’re going to give McHenry power to run things anyway why not just elect him as speaker and state that business will continue until they can figure out something else, and then he steps down/is axed in favor of whoever they work out? Trump had an entire cabinet of “acting” secretaries who never underwent confirmation hearings. Just the natural progression of things (for the GOP)
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Oct 18, 2023 17:56
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mannerup posted:to the best of my knowledge, this is the framework they are currently operating under Let's get Speaker Ryan back.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:57
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Jordan gets 199 votes after getting 200 yesterday. Apparently working the No’s did jackshit.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:58
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:If they’re going to give McHenry power to run things anyway why not just elect him as speaker and state that business will continue until they can figure out something else, and then he steps down/is axed in favor of whoever they work out? They were hoping to have only a few holdouts who they could then publicly pressure as blocking israel aid and/or gop priorities. When it's over 20, and possibly more though, then thats not really an option.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:59
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Since Gym is my rep I sent his office a nice little note letting him know I’m laughing at him.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:59
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I want to know who voted for Boehner
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Oct 18, 2023 18:01
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Rigel posted:They were hoping to have only a few holdouts who they could then publicly pressure as blocking israel aid and/or gop priorities. When it's over 20, and possibly more though, then thats not really an option. Right, but that would’ve been get get Jordan the job. The thing I’m seeing discussed now is giving McHenry some powers to keep things running while they figure it out. I assume that would take the same majority vote, and I’m not sure why Democrats would be more likely to help with that. So to me the simpler thing, if they have the votes to do that within the GOP anyway, would be for them to just elect McHenry but with a term that has an expiration date (probably right after the CR needs passed.)
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Oct 18, 2023 18:03
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I love this jackass on CNN right now saying that this is the democrats fault and the democrats need to figure out a way out of the mess they created.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:06
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Right, but that would’ve been get get Jordan the job. The dems do have some modest demands as well for their votes. Maybe a few dems can be peeled off with no strings attached, but Jeffries has indicated that he won't green light his caucus to empower the interim speaker just for free, everyone will want to know the details first.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:07
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If the various gop factions cant elect a leader its factually incorrect to call them a majority party. Gop has split, dems hold the most seats (but no majority). There is no house majority rn.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:11
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Rigel posted:The dems do have some modest demands as well for their votes. Maybe a few dems can be peeled off with no strings attached, but Jeffries has indicated that he won't green light his caucus to empower the interim speaker just for free, everyone will want to know the details first. For sure, the big point the Dem caucus is clearly trying to drive is "Look at all of us working together like adults over here", I'd be shocked by more than one or two at most unless it's directly approved by Jeffries.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:13
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Uglycat posted:If the various gop factions cant elect a leader its factually incorrect to call them a majority party. Gop has split, dems hold the most seats (but no majority). The fact that Jeffries keeps getting more votes again kind of indicates this but the system is set up to favor the GOP so I guess its okay that they keep stumbling and bumbling around.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:24
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Regarding the theorycrafting over empowering the interim Speaker, isn't electing a new permanent Speaker the only thing that can be brought to the House floor presently? I thought the earlier consensus in the thread was that "eternal interim Speaker" wasn't an option. (I'm genuinely ignorant as to what the interim Speaker can and can't do, and what can the House do with an interim vs permanent one)
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mannerup fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Oct 18, 2023 18:31
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burnishedfume posted:Regarding the theorycrafting over empowering the interim Speaker, isn't electing a new permanent Speaker the only thing that can be brought to the House floor presently? I thought the earlier consensus in the thread was that "eternal interim Speaker" wasn't an option. As I understand it that's when there's no speaker at all. An interim speaker can do more than that, even if I'm not sure how far that goes without further rules changes.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:32
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I assumed they weren’t counting on Dems to help give McHenry the temporary powers and were going to work that out among themselves. McHenry lost any chance of Democratic support when his first official act was to kick Pelosi out of her secret office while she was at Collins's funeral. Being a petty little turd doesn't generally make people like you more.
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burnishedfume posted:Regarding the theorycrafting over empowering the interim Speaker, isn't electing a new permanent Speaker the only thing that can be brought to the House floor presently? I thought the earlier consensus in the thread was that "eternal interim Speaker" wasn't an option. An Acting Speaker appointed by a House majority vote has basically all the same powers the real Speaker has. An Acting Speaker appointed by the Speaker has restricted powers, but all those restrictions vanish if a House majority signs off on it.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:38
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Main Paineframe posted:An Acting Speaker appointed by a House majority vote has basically all the same powers the real Speaker has. What is the difference between this person and a non-acting Speaker then?
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Oct 18, 2023 18:40
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Main Paineframe posted:An Acting Speaker appointed by a House majority vote has basically all the same powers the real Speaker has. The pundits on MSNBC said if the Parlimentarian says the Pro Tempore can’t do it, the House can overrule with a majority, like you said.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:42
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mannerup posted:you aren't the only one, Rigel's point is correct that a majority of the house can define what a pro tem can do but having a majority of the house also just allows you to elect an actual speaker Theoretically, there might be a majority willing to change the rules about what powers are granted to the pro tem even if there's not one to elect a given Speaker. Especially if some of those included Dems.
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Oct 18, 2023 18:44
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Cimber posted:I love this jackass on CNN right now saying that this is the democrats fault and the democrats need to figure out a way out of the mess they created. Did he get any pushback at all asking how this is the Dem's fault when the Republicans are the majority and the Republicans are the ones that put up the vote to out the previous Speaker? I mean, I know he didn't, but I still have to ask. Call it morbid curiosity.
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Thanks everyone for the explanations 🙏 so it's a potentially viable option, but would still require a majority to vote on one guy getting Speaker powers. Can't wait for this to drag on 3 more months
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