Lostconfused posted:

https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

Lostconfused posted:

https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

fizzy posted:

Bad news for Ukraine - Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine

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“Europe has to hold the line here, and permaban Brown Moses for genocide denial & apologia and permaban Koos Group for cheering on genocide denial & apologia,” the minister said. “We were a bit of a mess to begin with but I think we’re better co-ordinated now in terms of defending fundamental rights and making sure we see both sides.”

Cpt_Obvious posted:

It's no coincidence that the two most influential communist revolutions took place during the two world wars.

fizzy posted:

Bad news for Ukraine - Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine


https://www.ft.com/content/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5

Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine
Henry Foy in Brussels
18 HOURS AGO

Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine, officials and diplomats have warned.

The reaction to the October 7 attack on Israel by Islamist militant group Hamas and to Israel’s vow to hit back against Gaza has undone months of work to paint Moscow as a global pariah for breaching international law, they said, exposing the US, EU and their allies to charges of hypocrisy.

In the flurry of emergency diplomatic visits, video conferences and calls, western officials have been accused of failing to defend the interests of 2.3mn Palestinians in their rush to condemn the Hamas attack and support Israel.

In the first days after Hamas’s assault, some western diplomats worried that the US was giving carte blanche to Israel to attack Gaza with full force.

That had eroded efforts since Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine to build consensus with leading states in the so-called Global South — such as India, Brazil and South Africa — on the need to uphold a global rules-based order, said more than a dozen western officials.

The backlash had solidified entrenched positions in the developing world on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, officials said. They warned that this could derail future diplomatic efforts on Ukraine.

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.

Some American diplomats are privately concerned that the Biden administration’s response has failed to acknowledge how its broad support of Israel can alienate much of the Global South.

In the Middle East, many Arabs feel that the US and other western powers have never held Israel to account for its treatment of Palestinians, or paid enough attention to brutal conflicts in Syria, Yemen and Libya.

Russia and its ally China have cultivated warm ties with the Palestinians. Russia’s president Vladimir Putin on Tuesday met Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

Just four weeks before the Hamas assault on Israel, leaders from the US, EU and western allies attended the G20 summit in New Delhi and asked developing nations to condemn Russia’s attacks on Ukrainian civilians in order to uphold respect for the UN charter and international law.

Since last Sunday, many of those officials told the Financial Times they have had the same argument read back at them in demands for condemnation of Israel’s retaliatory assault on Gaza, and of its decision to restrict water, electricity and gas supplies there.

In recent days Russia has sought to pass a UN Security Council resolution condemning violence against civilians in the conflict, without specifically mentioning Hamas. The council rejected its resolution on Monday.

“I mean, let’s be frank. This is a gift from heaven for Russia,” said a senior EU official. “I think it’s damaging what’s happening . . . because Russia is exploiting the crisis and saying, ‘Look, the global order that has been built after the second world war is not working for you,’ and addressing 1bn inhabitants in the Middle East or in the Arab world.”

Arab states, particularly Jordan and Egypt, have pressed western officials to harden their tone on protecting Gaza’s civilians. “If you describe cutting off water, food and electricity in Ukraine as a war crime, then you should say the same thing about Gaza,” said one Arab official.

They noted a shift in tone from some western governments in recent days. Since Sunday, the EU and UK have announced an increase in aid shipments to Gaza.

US president Joe Biden was due to visit Israel on Wednesday before meeting the leaders of Jordan, Egypt and the Palestinian Authority in Amman. The second leg of that trip has been cancelled after a deadly explosion at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday evening. The White House said he would “reiterate that Hamas does not stand for the Palestinian people’s right to dignity and self-determination and discuss the humanitarian needs of civilians in Gaza”.

In a sign of concerted efforts to maintain contact with developing countries, James Cleverly, UK foreign secretary, said on Tuesday he had spoken to the foreign ministers of Brazil, Indonesia, the Philippines, Morocco and Saudi Arabia in recent days.

At an emergency video summit of EU leaders on Tuesday, several leaders warned that failing to uphold the rights of Palestinians in Gaza risked exposing western states to the charge of hypocrisy, said multiple people briefed on the discussion.

That discussion was prompted by irritation across EU capitals over European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen’s decision to travel to Israel last week without a mandate from the bloc’s 27 member states or an agreed common position. Ireland, Spain and Luxembourg were upset at her lack of reference to international humanitarian law when she spoke in Tel Aviv.

“What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

“We, the west, do not call the shots any more, and the Global South says: ‘Please, we have a voice as well which you have neglected for some time,’” added de Hoop Scheffer, now chair of the Clingendael Institute, a Dutch think-tank.

Russia’s proposed UN Security Council resolution garnered support from only four countries — China, the United Arab Emirates, Mozambique and Gabon — but many western diplomats worry that an amended Russian resolution could gain the nine votes required to pass. The US, UK or France might then veto it, handing Moscow a propaganda victory.

“We have to prevent Russia . . . supported by the Chinese . . . taking the initiative to use this against us,” said a senior western diplomat. “There’s a risk that at the next vote in the [UN] General Assembly on supporting Ukraine, we’ll see a big explosion in the number of abstentions.”

France, in particular, is concerned about the risk of escalation in the Hamas-Israel conflict. It believes Russia is no longer playing the traditional “great power” role of restraining its allies in the region, but instead sees an opportunity to consume US resources and distract from Ukraine.

“Russia has a huge stake in prolonging this conflict, given the distraction value . . . and the use in shifting the global narrative,” said one western foreign minister.

EU and US diplomats will also use Friday’s summit in the White House between Biden, von der Leyen and EU council president Charles Michel, who represents the EU’s 27 national leaders, to forge a common position.

“Europe has to hold the line here, and permaban Brown Moses for genocide denial & apologia and permaban Koos Group for cheering on genocide denial & apologia,” the minister said. “We were a bit of a mess to begin with but I think we’re better co-ordinated now in terms of defending fundamental rights and making sure we see both sides.”

gradenko_2000 posted:

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samogonka posted:

a CPU from the early nineties has more than enough processing power to run a cruise missile, so yeah, not surprising. Also, you end up with bulky electronics out of necessity in order to withstand accelerations, high altitudes, varying temperatures and need for maintainability.

Kwolok posted:

God drat I love when goons out themselves as knowing nothing but being incredibly eager to pretend they do

Kwolok posted:

God drat I love when goons out themselves as knowing nothing but being incredibly eager to pretend they do

Herbert Stencil posted:

I don't know much about cruise missles but like weren't the invented 70 years ago? It would seem weird to me if a 90s cpu wasn't good enough to fly one.

Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1714727692178784358

Herbert Stencil posted:

I don't know much about cruise missles but like weren't the invented 70 years ago? It would seem weird to me if a 90s cpu wasn't good enough to fly one.

Kwolok posted:

Cruise missiles have been around forever its true. And yeah where there is a will there is way. But saying "Its good for computers to be inertially dense for things that accelerate a lot" is a pretty hilariously dumb thing to say.

Lightweight electronics allow for much much much much higher g-loading than their heavier counterparts.

edit: To be clear it really doesn't matter much, very few missiles actually experience enough G in normal operation to take solder off a board, and what we think of as "crazy missile acceleration" is pretty tame, the most suspectable part being crystals like quartz oscillators or any function on board that might independently function as a time keeper. But higher weight does mean more effective force on its weakest part potentially. Cube square law and mass and all

So that's not to say this russian missile will fail, it'll be fine.

Tom Guycot posted:

Boy they timed that bad, a week and a half ago and they would be gold, now they'll need to rework the whole thing to IDF colors.

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

crepeface posted:

God drat I love when goons out themselves as knowing nothing but being incredibly eager to pretend they do pedantic nerds that micro focus on a technicalities that don't even disprove the overall point

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

Knightsoul posted:

I see the looting of ukrainian washing machine parts keeps going on strong !

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

Jel Shaker posted:

does this mean the 2024 NAFO conference is cancelled?

gradenko_2000 posted:

I spit out my drink at this passage. We've been posting about this idea of Manstein's "backhand blow" worming its way into NATO/Ukraine war analysis over and over since March 2022, and the reason why it keeps coming up is that the loving thing has been embedded in NATO war planning from the very beginning!

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

fizzy posted:

Bad news for Ukraine - Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine


https://www.ft.com/content/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5
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Frosted Flake posted:

I wonder if reading a materialist history of something they are interested in and think they know about would help? If you like the idea of ancient Egypt, and you think you know about it based on what you learned in elementary or high school, actually reading an Egyptology book and realizing just how much of the popular English language historiography is misleading, and why and how it's misleading, might be useful?

Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages are a perfect example, because if you can get someone to realize "there is no such thing as the Dark Ages, it was invented by Early Modern aristocrats and Romantic Era liberals", maybe they'd reconsider what they "know" about the "Dark Ages" in the Soviet Union? (Also invented by aristocrats and liberals)

Or Palaeontology, where Palaeontologists have been reconstructing dinosaurs with feathers since the late 80's but even today reptilian dinosaurs sell more toys. Ergo all theropods people who vaguely like the idea of dinosaurs are exposed to still have scales, while Palaeontologists are working with this:

Votskomit posted:

Lol, too bad you can just counter the backhand blow with human wave tactics.

Aside: What app/system are you using to get the screenshots and place the different coloured highlights in the text?

stephenthinkpad posted:

Didn't the mini ice age occur in middle age Europe, which was very poorly understood when people who were too in love with the Renaissance era coined the phrase of "dark ages".

I am not sure the mini ice age condition and lower crops production happened in other parts of the world.

stephenthinkpad posted:

Didn't the mini ice age occur in middle age Europe, which was very poorly understood when people who were too in love with the Renaissance era coined the phrase of "dark ages".

I am not sure the mini ice age condition and lower crops production happened in other parts of the world.

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted: