DickParasite posted:

Finally an expert on schools and hospitals collapsing.

DickParasite posted:

Finally an expert on schools and hospitals collapsing.

ProfessorBooty posted:

I was talking about this with my father. He is such a frustrating man. For the past decade and a half I realize I don't talk honestly with my family, instead, I 'manage' the conversation, I fret and stress, trying to know what they are going to say and the exact right thing to attempt to manipulate them into thinking differently in the long term, or, if anything, get them to just let go, because we just have no power.

When I told him that I hate that I have to witness the holocaust, part two, he told me that I sounded like a holocaust denier. I can't believe he would say such a thing. I was trying to manipulate him in the best way I could. I was managing my anger at him, I spent the last two months finding the perfect way to destroy him. I came up with aphorisms and talking points and stopping points and the perfect ways to counter him in every single way. "There is no such thing as a perfect victim", "A belief that cannot manifest an actionable reality is worthless", "You can hear the Truth, you can speak the Truth, but you can't teach the Truth" trying to be wise and poo poo, showing him the perfect counter to his moron rational right wing talking points.

And I thought of a final manipulation. It's evil. He emailed me today with some video from brogger or whatever right wing youtube thing is out there, with some pundit weakly giving the case for noninterference. I emailed him back saying I watched it, and that we should talk.

I know him better than he knows him. He tries to capitulate gently, in his email back to me, saying that he understands how this cycle works, two sides for every conflict, and that he is sorry for what he said.

He told me I sounded like a holocaust denier.

I SOUNDED like a holocaust denier.

I am an emotional manipulator. I try to manipulate the people around me to eliminate conflict. I thought about this thing he said, and the perfect, perfect counter.

I thought of it today, I was so proud. I think about when I decided to cut off the zionist part of my family (It's weird but consistent), and I thought about how my conversation would go with him.

I would say, "Dad, you called me a holocaust denier"

And he will reply, "No, I said you sounded like a holocaust denier"

And I would finally reply to him. The final stab through the chest, "What is the difference." deadpan and silent.

I would tell him that I already know why, but I want to know why he knows why.

I imagine our society a deep deep ocean. In this ocean we swim in lies. As we become less critical, as we think less what, but why, we start swimming deeper. As we go deeper, we need more lies and contradictions to keep us going, to validate that everything is becoming darker. We become more distressed and anxious. The people we listen to give us ways to cope, while impregnating genocide. You go deeper and deeper.

And then you have cancer, and you have little time left, and maybe you are shaken, but you try to stay firm.

Your son stabbed you in the chest. It was perfect. Your son said, "If I may condense, what you just said. Free market economics would work, and would be the best system to run society, but the problem is that not everyone is lacking in Ideals, and these are Libertarian Ideals", and your son knew that it would make you have to swim deeper, deeper into the darkness.

My dad said 'yes', and I knew I was victorious, I created the win/win scenario for me. I finally defeated him in the battle of logic and rationality.

He emailed me today, with an apology, then saying something that I might say to the effect is cycles of violence, how one thing leads to another, and this tends to create two sides.

I email him back, 'We should talk'

And I don't know what to say now, knowing that i am an emotional manipulator.

The worst part of my family is that they gang up with me. During Thanksgiving I eat at the 'kid's' table, because it's so much more fun to see the things they are interested in and not having to pay attention to what I am now is realizing is just a big giant, racist, genocidal way to keep oil prices low to keep this wheezing geriatric of an economy limping.

I don't want to be ganged up on anymore. That's why I made this decision. My mom - - separated for my my dad in the 90's, is long gone. She wrote some incredibly hateful, dreadful, genocidal things on the family signal, while I was trying to manipulate them into maybe even opening an article about both sides just chilling out, or the wikipedia article on the history of palestine. She is so far gone that I can't have her anymore. But maybe that isn't fair.

So I'm not sure what to do. I think maybe I will talk to my dad about how the moment I thought about cutting him off, I was so happy. Suddenly I was sleeping better, I was able to focus better I work, I was able to stop watching this thread for an hour or so, so I could get things done. I was waking up before my alarm, I wasn't snoozing my alarm. I wasn't taking my afternoon ephedrine pill.

The reason my dad said I SOUNDED like a holocaust denier, is to protect himself. But I emotionally manipulated myself, and I know that know. I look back at myself, and that person thought, 'My dad said that, to protect himself from the pain to call his son a holocaust denier'. What if, instead, I should say, 'My dad said that to protect me from the pain of him calling me a holocaust denier'.

So maybe there is a chance. One last chance as I squeeze tears from my eyes and wish that in the horrors of all my life, it wouldn't be a holocaust after holocaust after holocaust after holocaust until we are finally scratching at the dirt with sticks.

Maybe my dad will learn what it means to reach the bottom.

The bottom is where the lies cease. The next lie doesn't get you further. You are going to die and you realize you were absent from your family. Ashamed that you were successful, maybe, but money is what is important - get the right investments, live frugally. You know that you will never be a good dad, but you can do something. Your son knows this, because your son remembers when you said something to the effect of, 'Everyone wants to have an inheritance for their children',.

I clung on to that and realized why he was gone and probably felt so ashamed that his youngest, the ones who just happened to be born Millennial, had such a hard time compared to their sisters who were just a few years older than them. We were Millennials and he divorced in the 90's, a double whammy of generational division. Maybe I am too presumptive, but I want to think his mask slipped.

And that is his final lie, the one that his children will inherit something more valuable than he has to provide as a father. When I think about this, finally. Writing this out. This whole thing has been stream of thought. I realize he hit the bottom of this ocean of lies several years ago. He's in darkness now, with cancer, and doesn't know the way up, that's why he is so stubborn, but also so liberal, and easy to manipulate.

And I want to give him another chance. But that means I have to give my mom another chance.

But my dad is a genocide denier.

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Oglethorpe posted:

Al-Saqr posted:

It's gonna be super great when america claims its bases were attacked completely unprovoked out of thin air for no reason whatsoever when the big regional war breaks out.

Soggy Muffin posted:

Sorry to hear that

Death By The Blues posted:

Weird that a hamas rocket attack hasn't occurred in a while, like they are planning for something.

Nichael posted:

Joe Biden is literally rounding up Jews. Hmmm, could we be the bad guys here???

DickParasite posted:

Finally an expert on schools and hospitals collapsing.

Homeless Friend posted:

nothing will top goons being duped by being too horny for aoc. i miss that era lol

Al-Saqr posted:

It's gonna be super great when america claims its bases were attacked completely unprovoked out of thin air for no reason whatsoever when the big regional war breaks out.

fizzy posted:

News - Israel’s police chief, Kobi Shabtai, has said there will be “zero tolerance” for protests in support of Gaza in Israel, threatening to send anti-war demonstrators to the besieged Palestinian enclave that Israel has been bombarding daily for nearly two weeks.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/israel-police-boss-threatens-to-send-anti-war-protesters-to-gaza-on-buses

Israel police boss threatens to send anti-war protesters to Gaza ‘on buses’
By Al Jazeera Staff
Published On 19 Oct 2023
19 Oct 2023

Israel’s police chief, Kobi Shabtai, has said there will be “zero tolerance” for protests in support of Gaza in Israel, threatening to send anti-war demonstrators to the besieged Palestinian enclave that Israel has been bombarding daily for nearly two weeks.

Shabtai’s comments came in a video posted on the TikTok channel of the Israeli police on Tuesday. Israeli media picked it up on Wednesday after police broke up a rally in Haifa in support of Gaza, arresting six people.

“Whoever wants to become an Israeli citizen, welcome,” Shabtai said. “Anyone who wants to identify with Gaza is welcome. I will put him on the buses heading there now.”

In the short video, Shabtai also said there would be “zero tolerance for any instance of incitement … there will be no authorisation for protests”.

He said that Israel is “in a state of war … we’re not in a situation where we will allow all sorts of people to come and test us”.

Israel Police spokesman Eli Levy told Army Radio on Wednesday that since the start of the Gaza war on October 7, 63 people in Israel have been arrested on suspicion of supporting or inciting “terror”.

Police officials told the Ynet news site on Wednesday that they are scouring social media to find Palestinians in Israel who were expressing support for Hamas, the group running the besieged Gaza Strip.

Israel has imposed a “complete siege” on Gaza, cutting off access to food, water, electricity and fuel for the strip’s 2.3 million residents after Gaza-based Hamas fighters launched an attack into southern Israel on October 7. Israeli authorities say at least 1,400 people, most of them civilians, were killed in the attack, more than 4,400 were injured and 199 others were taken captive by Hamas.

Since the attack, Israel has bombarded Gaza from the air in a devastating campaign that has reduced entire neighourhoods to rubble. Palestinian authorities have said that more than 3,400 people have been killed and more than 12,000 others wounded in the Israeli assault.

“After Operation Guardian of the Walls [the 2021 war with Gaza, which saw many Arab-Jewish clashes in mixed towns], we learned our lesson, and established a ‘war room’ to counter such incitement,” said Assistant Commissioner Dror Asraf.

“[Today, the operation] identifies online incitement or planning or any operational information that we identify on all the platforms, which has a goal of disrupting public order and harming others.”

Meanwhile, the ethics panel of the Israeli parliament has voted to suspend a left-wing parliament member, Ofer Cassif, for what it deemed as anti-Israel statements after the war broke out.

Cassif had given an interview in which he accused the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of enacting a plan in Gaza, which he compared with the Nazis’ “Final Solution” against Jews in Europe.

On another occasion, he told foreign media that “Israel wanted this violence”, in reference to the Hamas attack.

According to the Jerusalem Post, Cassif has been suspended for 45 days.

In a social media post published on Wednesday, Cassif called the Knesset’s decision “another nail in the coffin of freedom of political expression”.

“In each of my interviews, I emphasised my complete condemnation and deep disgust for the criminal massacres by Hamas. The political statements against the occupation and the war are not statements against Israel, since peace and justice also serve it and its inhabitants,” he said.

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Malloc Voidstar posted:

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