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Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013
Seeing him in that 9/11 speech made me see this.



DTI

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Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

smarxist posted:

how the gently caress did reddit detectives rebrand as "OSINT" and trick credulous morons into taking them seriously

It's mutually beneficial -- the reddit detectives obtain purpose in their otherwise empty lives and that purpose is both state-directed and a form of military training, however rudimentary, via exposure to "intelligence methods". All this stuff is apparently cool to them as well since if you do it for real you get to say THAT'S CLASSIFIED SIR like in the movies, although in reality you're too embarrassed to talk about it anyway you loser. It's critical to note that the methods range from amateur to professional and therefore can be equivalent to what certain research/analysts do for real, only the data is limited to what is "open", which is just to say basically "on the internet". The real ones just have a larger set to google from when they fuse it together, but since that takes time and can lead to politically undesirable results it's CLASSIFIED. You got to drip-feed the media in real time and towards consequences you desire, so the amateurs are needed to make sure unwanted conclusions are not made consensus, so lovely analysis and media disputes are a benefit.

It's all so tiresome.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
more cool art from a Kuwaiti Artist

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

what was the aid package Biden wanted for Israel & Ukraine? 10 billion?

https://x.com/fortunemagazine/status/1714936359599706204?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Maltloaf posted:

It's mutually beneficial -- the reddit detectives obtain purpose in their otherwise empty lives and that purpose is both state-directed and a form of military training, however rudimentary, via exposure to "intelligence methods".

the vile rat goonfleet intelligence agency playbook.

GoLambo
Apr 11, 2006
Really wonder what all those Americans stuck in bases all over Syria are thinking right about now. Are they really going to stay there if things go hot? Seems like a terribly isolated position.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The phrase 'all in on a busted flush' came to mind when thinking about the USA's continued backing of Israel. Also that I'm pretty sure there's been writings on how an imperial colonialist state cannot function at all without a constant stream of loot and plunder from subjugated and genocided peoples, because as soon as that breaks down the system starts to surely collapse as all institutional knowledge that it's even possible to function in any other way has been liquidated and suppressed.

Especially bad when it's propped up long enough to produce an entire generation with the fascist mindset, which is being a whiny, useless, tedious failchild, completely unable to function outside an environment specifically constructed to prop them up. (and barely able even within it)

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

what was the aid package Biden wanted for Israel & Ukraine? 10 billion?

https://x.com/fortunemagazine/status/1714936359599706204?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

100 lmao

JuulPodSaveAmerica
Aug 29, 2012

Maltloaf posted:

It's mutually beneficial -- the reddit detectives obtain purpose in their otherwise empty lives and that purpose is both state-directed and a form of military training, however rudimentary, via exposure to "intelligence methods". All this stuff is apparently cool to them as well since if you do it for real you get to say THAT'S CLASSIFIED SIR like in the movies, although in reality you're too embarrassed to talk about it anyway you loser. It's critical to note that the methods range from amateur to professional and therefore can be equivalent to what certain research/analysts do for real, only the data is limited to what is "open", which is just to say basically "on the internet". The real ones just have a larger set to google from when they fuse it together, but since that takes time and can lead to politically undesirable results it's CLASSIFIED. You got to drip-feed the media in real time and towards consequences you desire, so the amateurs are needed to make sure unwanted conclusions are not made consensus, so lovely analysis and media disputes are a benefit.

It's all so tiresome.

They're useful voices to drown out on the ground witnesses. WHO and MSF confirmed the ~500 death toll of the hospital strike. But @RedditAnalytica has determined that blast forensics can be competently done solely through instagram videos, so you're a rube if you believe that this needs to be given more consideration than an hour of some dropout muppet looking at one picture.

The lies get regurgitated until they can drown out the crimes they're enabling. It's the only way they can keep their consciences clean. With enough time, it can trickle through the DIA up to the presidents office (since apparently his daily briefs were based on Oryx numbers). Then it's legitimate because someone put a classified sticker on it and told a senescent moron "the truth."

Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

GoLambo posted:

Really wonder what all those Americans stuck in bases all over Syria are thinking right about now. Are they really going to stay there if things go hot? Seems like a terribly isolated position.

Even the vast majority of people in the West don't know they are there. The isolation is the point -- if something happens to them the West can choose to amplify and engage or downplay and ignore depending on the operational requirements at the time.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Maltloaf posted:

It's mutually beneficial -- the reddit detectives obtain purpose in their otherwise empty lives and that purpose is both state-directed and a form of military training, however rudimentary, via exposure to "intelligence methods". All this stuff is apparently cool to them as well since if you do it for real you get to say THAT'S CLASSIFIED SIR like in the movies, although in reality you're too embarrassed to talk about it anyway you loser. It's critical to note that the methods range from amateur to professional and therefore can be equivalent to what certain research/analysts do for real, only the data is limited to what is "open", which is just to say basically "on the internet". The real ones just have a larger set to google from when they fuse it together, but since that takes time and can lead to politically undesirable results it's CLASSIFIED. You got to drip-feed the media in real time and towards consequences you desire, so the amateurs are needed to make sure unwanted conclusions are not made consensus, so lovely analysis and media disputes are a benefit.

It's all so tiresome.

OSINT is pickle rick and its always sunny in philadelphia

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/20/eliot-higgins-people-accuse-me-of-working-for-the-cia

Popy
Feb 19, 2008

Dying in some shithole military base in Syria hope the signing bonus was worth it

Real Mean Queen
Jun 2, 2004

Zesty.


gradenko_2000 posted:

at some point the intelligence services figured out that some segments of the population did not trust the "free" press anymore, on top of already not trusting the government

OSINT is basically a way to make you think like you're getting away from either

Yeah exactly. OSINT is to reddit guys what vaccine memes are to old facebook people, it’s the truth They don’t want you to know. It’s the same weird poo poo with all the same problems, just calibrated for a different demographic. You’ve got that cool acronym that makes it sound tactical, it says open source right there in the name so true nerds know it’s trustworthy and there’s no money involved, and it just so happens that the news almost always favors the interests of smart people just like you!

There’s something very cynical about the way it’s distributed, it’s perfectly positioned for the guy who googles computer fixes and is therefore the computer guy among friends and family. Not so high up that it becomes a household word or common topic, not so low that it requires any real digging to find, it’s kind of perfectly geared for the busy autodidact who wants to tell people they’re wrong but doesn’t have the time or ability to figure out why. It’s no wonder that it kills on reddit

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The face of evil. Brown Moses should be permaburned.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Apropos of nothing...

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1714753735983858055

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1714782679994954131

Buddykins
Feb 12, 2011

Cuttlefush posted:





       

Buddykins
Feb 12, 2011

VomitOnLino posted:

Its excited for another go-around!

lol

Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

JuulPodSaveAmerica posted:

They're useful voices to drown out on the ground witnesses. WHO and MSF confirmed the ~500 death toll of the hospital strike. But @RedditAnalytica has determined that blast forensics can be competently done solely through instagram videos, so you're a rube if you believe that this needs to be given more consideration than an hour of some dropout muppet looking at one picture.

The lies get regurgitated until they can drown out the crimes they're enabling. It's the only way they can keep their consciences clean. With enough time, it can trickle through the DIA up to the presidents office (since apparently his daily briefs were based on Oryx numbers). Then it's legitimate because someone put a classified sticker on it and told a senescent moron "the truth."

Yeah, it's literally Media War aka PsyOps. You get the narrative A/B testing division in action, this gets distilled into little info graphics by OSINT types and ultimately broadcast in tweets and short video content, all this is measured and mixed around back and fore for a while to ensure it plays well across the board (mistakes can be ignored by weight of new content) until the lazy journalists are told to shove it into the industrial broadcaster.

Practically none of them even need to work for any intelligence agency, just those that control the fitness function, so to speak.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

I’m not sure how a cease fire is actually beneficial to the complicated situation at hand. These are two militaries at war. Hamas wants to hide and just restart again.

Hamas is unapologetically hiding in hospitals and schools and behind civilians. Always has been. Israel has made the intent to wipe out this network in northern Gaza by making it untenable for all civilians before the clean up operation. Hospitals are defying this under a shroud of righteousness, but can also be interpreted as effectively a form of defiance and protection for Hamas since they are known bad actors. You can’t claim a creed when you know your actions are delaying what the other party has made clear is an inevitable. ‘Do no harm’ doesn’t mean knowingly put hundreds people at exponential risk to have a slight increased chance save a couple.

The WHO can put out statements all they want, but they aren’t helping the situation. Israel clearly wants civilians gone so they can access the hidden networks and shoot anything that moves on sight. Hamas is doubling down on taking advantage of the situation at the expense of Palestinians.

The difference between other wars and this one is the overt willingness to use it’s own citizens as fodder to advance the war effort that Hamas employs. Armies that actually defend the will of the people wouldn’t stoop that low on such a large scale.


Now whether Israel knowingly let the yon kippur attack ‘surprise’ them and used their own citizens as fodder to reignite the conflict and this not be a story of incompetence is a whole other conspiracy chat. But that’s attributing incompetence to covert malice, which is rarely true. Hamas using citizens as shields is a strategy, not incompetence, hence the simpler argument to make.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

need to follow my own advice on looking at the d&d thread

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

undeniably smexy. and we cannot permaban him

Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

Rubellavator posted:

These are two militaries at war.

The mistaken assumption that recapitulates the process.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Rubellavator posted:

need to follow my own advice on looking at the d&d thread

Denounce hamas!
Now refute this old disproven propaganda
Wait did you just insinuate hamas arent devils in human guise?
Denounce hamas!

Repeat

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
In Farsi we have a term "aghab oftadeh" which means fallen behind ie mentally challenged, can we just refer to the people in DnD as that?

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Denounce hamas!
Now refute this old disproven propaganda
Wait did you just insinuate hamas arent devils in human guise?
Denounce hamas!

Repeat

yeah lol, full agreement with Rubellavator

don't know why I thought I'd be able to get away with something as egregious as objecting to propaganda so blatantly false both Israel and the US had to disavow it

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/MonicaLMarks/status/1714922930029641796?s=20

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/NBCNews/status/1714954156966883744?s=20

Real Mean Queen
Jun 2, 2004

Zesty.


CODChimera posted:

people really just dont like peace huh? it was noticeable with Ukraine as well

I’m pretty sure that picture with the solemn bugs bunny with the gun and “time to go back to the old me” is the internal truth of the average american

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
here's an "interesting" way that the OSINT dynamic plays out:

Francesco Sebregondi does his own "counter-OSINT" thread (which was already posted here in full) to try and throw cold water on the prevailing OSINT narrative, that the lack of damage purportedly inflicted by the missile was so small that it could not have been an Israeli JDAM, and a low-power Hamas/PIJ missile fits better (to say nothing of the follow-on supporting narrative that not as many people died in the bombing as was initially claimed)

Sebregondi cites an HRW report of a known instance of an Israeli drone strike would be capable of creating a small crater. That is, given the OSINT-derived photo of a small crater at the site of the bombing, a crater so small that it could not possibly have been caused by a JDAM, here's a possible alternative: an Israeli drone missile could have caused that small crater, instead of a small Hamas/PIJ rocket.

Someone named Marc Garlasco then steps in and quotes Sebregondi's thread, saying he wrote the HRW report that Sebregondi cites, and then appeals to his own authority, that he knows what these Israeli drone missiles are capable of, and they'd still produce a much larger crater than what was photographed. So it still couldn't have been the Israelis. Indeed, Sebregondi's tweet has since had a Community Note attached to it, citing Garlasco's response.

This is all well and good, until you check Garlasco's background:




and ask yourself: would someone in this line of work have a personal interest in using his own sense of expertise to run a smokescreen for the IDF?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

PawParole posted:

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/10/18/israel-the-shattering-of-a-dream/


In stark contrast, the concentration of wealth in Israel is the second highest in the western world. The notorious family fiefdoms include: Arison, Borovich, Danker, Ofer, Bino, Hamburger, Wiessman, Wertheim, Zisapel, Leviev, Federman, Saban, Fishman, Shachar, Kass, Strauss, Shmeltzer, and Tshuva. These families collectively control a fifth of the revenue generated from Israel’s leading companies and these top 500 companies account for 40% of the business sector and 59% of national revenue.


Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

Death By The Blues posted:

In Farsi we have a term "aghab oftadeh" which means fallen behind ie mentally challenged, can we just refer to the people in DnD as that?

yes but we already call them retarded, op

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

The health ministry morning briefing done in the courtyard of a hospital with the sounds of circling drones and the echoes of bomb blasts.

Then a crew of ambulances comes in carrying the dead and injured.

And now we go to the joint presser between the UK PM and Netanyahu with his loving disgusting equivocating of hamas with the loving nazis


Dti
Dta

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
Holy poo poo the official ministry of health spokesman just did a presser stating fuel and medicine is completely gone for all Gaza hospitals then an ambulance arrives behind the camera with a bunch of dead babies being rushed out. The camera had to cut away and the translator went off speech while saying "oh my god...." could not continue translating what the official was saying as he was completely shook.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ohtori Akio posted:

yes but we already call them retarded, op

They are not stupid or ignorant. They are just knowingly, wilfully evil.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.
Weird cognitive disconnect to wake to to but...

How the gently caress would "roof knocking" even work? The bombs are guided with weapons systems.

Do they have guided rocks??

Soggy Muffin
Jul 29, 2003
It's gonna be something else to witness the backpedaling of libs as they try to excuse their support of Israel after the full extent of this genocide is revealed

Will make republicans finally denouncing Bush 10 years after 9/11 seem innocent in comparison

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Cabbages and Kings posted:

Weird cognitive disconnect to wake to to but...

How the gently caress would "roof knocking" even work? The bombs are guided with weapons systems.

Do they have guided rocks??

it doesn't. It's the thinnest possible justification for bombing whatever and whoever you want. "we already 'roof knocked' you, so if you hadn't already left by the time the real bomb came along, it's your own fault"

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

fizzy posted:

They are not stupid or ignorant. They are just knowingly, wilfully evil.

When you flame someone who sucks rear end, it is sometimes better not to flame their true greatest flaw, but rather the one they are most insecure about. A person who habitually posts in d&d is deeply insecure about their intelligence. Therefore, you should identify when they are being retarded - and flame accordingly.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007


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Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

lol

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