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speng31b
May 8, 2010

my bony fealty posted:

what's wrong with his face

Ohtori Akio posted:

we call them retarded, op

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Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

moths posted:

There are a lot of problems with OSINT.

First, they're larping as spooks to imply deeper knowledge and access is informing their evaluations. The logo, buzzwords, and Clancy-speak phrasing are all calculated to legitimize themselves, to make you think Hey, these guys must know stuff.

They're saying "spoiler-free review" to imply that they know the spoilers.

Second, they're doing the junk science thing where you start with the conclusion and backfill any supporting information, however flimsy. This is how you "prove" evolution is fake, man walked with dinosaurs, vaccines cause autism, etc etc.

OSINT is cherry picking individual trees that support their bias, while ignoring every sign that the forest is lies.

Each of Israel's conflicting statements about the hospital is, technically, information. But what's valuable and unambiguously true is the fact that Israel's hospital narrative has been all over the place.

It's intelligence-failure brain. It's how some lawyers are trained to think: you focus on proving each fact like a brick to build a "wall of truth." But that "wall" doesn't automatically prove anything. It doesn't mean that the "bricks" are arranged correctly, or that all (or any!) of them are sound.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief doubt!
OSINT’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his smooth brain upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
theres 40000 observations by dudes looking at photos, but 0 answers on why the bomb sounded like a jdam/high altitude bomb. thats the first question that needs resolution.

sw0cb
Feb 18, 2007
Yeah I mean there's a clear video of the ordinance hitting the parking lot or whatever, its clearly not anything hamas has access to(or israel would be partly smoldering rubble like gaza) and nobody loving cares. I stopped looking at twitter because I felt like I was really starting to go insane. You don't want big craters from ordinance like this, you want it to go off before it hits the loving ground ugh

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
Actually nevermind, not sure if the Pic that opens that thread is okay to show

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
i like the parts of osint that are like geoguessr. geoguessr is fun.

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012


No poo poo?

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Homeless Friend posted:

the primary problem with osint your not there. basically worthless theory crafting, hence a D&D mod making it his job

osint is the outgrowth of the stupidest and worst tendencies of the post-twitter internet to want to mine social media for emergent info with a thin layer of legitimation so the worst dumbasses on the planet can repost it and feel like they know what is happening. it is just the same thing as internet sleuths trying to figure out Who Did A Crime using tweets and google, and accusing a bunch of poor assholes then pretending it never happened after the fact, but wrapped into a thing people can cite and not feel gross about if they are very stupid

speng31b has issued a correction as of 12:39 on Oct 19, 2023

fanfic insert
Nov 4, 2009

CODChimera posted:

r/worldnews is 10x worse

DnD is a forum trying to be a cesspit while /r/worldnews is a cesspit trying to be a forum

Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

Homeless Friend posted:

theres 40000 observations by dudes looking at photos, but 0 answers on why the bomb sounded like a jdam/high altitude bomb. thats the first question that needs resolution.

lol that would require actual analysis and as such the answer is either:

1. THAT'S CLASSIFIED / WILL ENDANGER OR REVEAL SOURCES AND METHODS
or
2. Here is a video of an Iranian rocket impacting that sounds exactly the same

Note that 1 can be used to express 2 only without providing the video. It's a wonderful system.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

speng31b posted:

osint is the outgrowth of the stupidest and worst tendencies of the post-twitter internet to want to mine social media for emergent info with a thin layer of legitimation so the worst dumbasses on the planet can repost it and feel like they know what is happening. it is just the same thing as internet sleuths trying to figure out Who Did A Crime and accusing a bunch of poor assholes then pretending it never happened after the fact, but wrapped into a thing people can cite and not feel gross about if they are very stupid

wise computer toucher: what if we made forensic investigation a WFH job

Homeless Friend has issued a correction as of 12:41 on Oct 19, 2023

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Maltloaf posted:

lol that would require actual analysis and as such the answer is either:

1. THAT'S CLASSIFIED / WILL ENDANGER OR REVEAL SOURCES AND METHODS
or
2. Here is a video of an Iranian rocket impacting that sounds exactly the same

Note that 1 can be used to express 2 only without providing the video. It's a wonderful system.

by their own admission this was a fragment, not an actual missile. so even if it was an iranian missile, it wasnt anymore. so the sound issue remains.

Circle Nine
Mar 1, 2009

But that’s how it is when you start wanting to have things. Now, I just look at them, and when I go away I carry them in my head. Then my hands are always free, because I don’t have to carry a suitcase.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Israeli army still too preoccupied attacking disarmed people in the West Bank to invade Gaza. What's the holdup, fellas?

listen pal, genocide is a marathon not a sprint

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
The lebanese branch of the muslim brotherhood, the 'Jamaa Islamiyah, and the only Sunni Islamist group with a seat in the lebanese parliament, is saying they are joining the fight alongside Hezbollah in southern lebanon.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2023...%B1%D9%8A%D9%86

Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018

Homeless Friend posted:

by their own admission this was a fragment, not an actual missile. so even if it was an iranian missile, it wasnt anymore. so the sound issue remains.

lol they don't admit poo poo. Nothing they say is fixed, it's all subject to change. If the media war on the issue went worse for them, and frankly they have deflected it sufficiently for now, it would be a full on missile and here is the video comparison.

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

osint is what happens if you read too much jane's as a kid but are too dumb to learn dcs or grognard sims

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Real Mean Queen posted:

You can’t use wikipedia as a source, children know that. Anybody can write whatever they want on there, and the only fix is if somebody who knows more comes along and fixes it. That may happen way after you see it and form an opinion or make a decision, if it happens at all, so you really can’t trust it.

Open Source INTelligence is where experts get together and post just the facts, which anyone can verify, and if somebody comes along later with better facts after some bad poo poo happened, that’s just what makes OSINT awesome.

source your quotes

my bony fealty posted:

what's wrong with his face

he's a rat and his rat-like facial features are distracting

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
osint sounds like qanon for globe emojis

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

osint is when al jazeera reporting on site on what gazan health ministry says about their own operations is "unsourced" but a senator wearing an elder diaper telling you to listen to a tweet from a military pr department is "confirmed intel"

no wait thats dndint

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
when I was a dumb lib, one of the first "big" posts I made on reddit was early in the Duterte administration, when there was news of the government having contracted infrastructure work with Chinese construction companies. I did some googling and found that these companies were not only state-owned (!), but they had been sanctioned by the WTO over allegations of corruption (!!), and so it was very bad news that Duterte was getting the Philippines involved with such firms

I think that's still the most upvoted post on my account, by a couple thousand points. It's absolutely true that it creates this feeling of having uncovered hidden knowledge, that you have some kind of edge over everyone else

but you can't escape ideology

when I started putting the same kind of effort into "connecting the dots" and saying that it just didn't make sense to allege that Chinese COVID vaccines were worse than mRNA, when I started pointing out that there's never been any evidence that it exerts a "debt trap" over smaller nations, when I would post about the contradiction of NASA raising red flags over Chinese space debris falling to earth when NASA waives its own safety protocols for the same thing, when I would post completely anodyne bits of evidence showing that news website Rappler was funded by Pierre Omidyar and the National Endowment for Democracy, people didn't like to listen as much

"connecting the dots" when it came to nefarious Chinese Construction Companies attracted people because it fit into their own preconceived notions about China, but "OSINT" by itself can't break through someone's world view unless they're already willing to have it broken some other way. It's just effort-posting.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

moths posted:

There are a lot of problems with OSINT.

First, they're larping as spooks to imply deeper knowledge and access is informing their evaluations. The logo, buzzwords, and Clancy-speak phrasing are all calculated to legitimize themselves, to make you think Hey, these guys must know stuff.

They're saying "spoiler-free review" to imply that they know the spoilers.

Second, they're doing the junk science thing where you start with the conclusion and backfill any supporting information, however flimsy. This is how you "prove" evolution is fake, man walked with dinosaurs, vaccines cause autism, etc etc.

OSINT is cherry picking individual trees that support their bias, while ignoring every sign that the forest is lies.

Each of Israel's conflicting statements about the hospital is, technically, information. But what's valuable and unambiguously true is the fact that Israel's hospital narrative has been all over the place.

It's intelligence-failure brain. It's how some lawyers are trained to think: you focus on proving each fact like a brick to build a "wall of truth." But that "wall" doesn't automatically prove anything. It doesn't mean that the "bricks" are arranged correctly, or that all (or any!) of them are sound.

this is word for word how UFO guys on Twitter work lol everyone always has "my sources" and can't reveal the secrets they know for xyz reasons

oh, OSInt is an internet cult, figured it out

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


has anyone said sarah eichmann yet

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

OSINT is when Israel gives you the straight facts

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

the bitcoin of weed posted:

israel is bad and palestine is good

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/nypost/status/1714973574669181325?s=20

Red Baron
Mar 9, 2007

ty slumfrog :)
OSINT guys all “actually I usually guess what Blue means in two or less clues”

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the rubber stamp 'parliament' of egypt is currently meeting, it's all a bunch of egyptian mukhabarat dogs so they're not important or elected, but it's interesting how violently they're speaking out against israel and against the plan to ethnically cleanse the palestinians, and they're speaking really positively about the palestinian resistance and how they should back them with everything they need, they're even putting on a show of everyone wearing Kiffeyehs (and of course everyone has a big fat egyptian flag on their desk and they're all buttering up sisi), conveniently forgetting that they're part of the problem and played a key role in the siege, but who knows maybe the pressure really is getting to Sisi to change his track and actually show a spine, but it's hard for me to picture someone who gave up egypts water rights on the nile having any sort of principles in him.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Homeless Friend posted:

theres 40000 observations by dudes looking at photos, but 0 answers on why the bomb sounded like a jdam/high altitude bomb. thats the first question that needs resolution.

I've kinda hyper-focused on debunking every IDF claim about the bombing for the past day, but truth is it doesn't matter. It's incredibly obvious in real time that it was an Israeli airforce strike; since then, the IDF and a bunch of OSINT accounts who are effectively US intelligence assets have attempted to muddy the waters to create confusion. Unfortunately with a huge chunk of the public they've succeeded.

In a few weeks or months Israel will quietly admit to it.

I'll try to make this the last thing I say about it unless new information comes out. There's two unavoidable facts that guarantee only Israel could have bombed the hospital:

1. The video of the impact, which is verified and no one on either side really disputes, looks and sounds almost identical to other Israeli strikes (both seen in video from Gaza in recent days and in other applications)
2. The death toll of close to 500, which both Doctors without Borders and WHO have verified.

VoicesCanBe has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Oct 19, 2023

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


just desserts for an opportunistic vulture.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

gradenko_2000 posted:

when I was a dumb lib, one of the first "big" posts I made on reddit was early in the Duterte administration, when there was news of the government having contracted infrastructure work with Chinese construction companies. I did some googling and found that these companies were not only state-owned (!), but they had been sanctioned by the WTO over allegations of corruption (!!), and so it was very bad news that Duterte was getting the Philippines involved with such firms

I think that's still the most upvoted post on my account, by a couple thousand points. It's absolutely true that it creates this feeling of having uncovered hidden knowledge, that you have some kind of edge over everyone else

but you can't escape ideology

when I started putting the same kind of effort into "connecting the dots" and saying that it just didn't make sense to allege that Chinese COVID vaccines were worse than mRNA, when I started pointing out that there's never been any evidence that it exerts a "debt trap" over smaller nations, when I would post about the contradiction of NASA raising red flags over Chinese space debris falling to earth when NASA waives its own safety protocols for the same thing, when I would post completely anodyne bits of evidence showing that news website Rappler was funded by Pierre Omidyar and the National Endowment for Democracy, people didn't like to listen as much

"connecting the dots" when it came to nefarious Chinese Construction Companies attracted people because it fit into their own preconceived notions about China, but "OSINT" by itself can't break through someone's world view unless they're already willing to have it broken some other way. It's just effort-posting.

modern propaganda doesn't just work by repetition, but also by training people to approach and avoid different kinds of information. non-chronologically sorted social media is especially apt for this purpose because it provides direct feedback on how a message is received, and repeats it based on that feedback.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Honky Mao posted:

OSINT is when Israel gives you the straight facts

Open Source Intelligence, where their source is openly US/Israeli intelligence

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Zodium posted:

modern propaganda doesn't just work by repetition, but also by training people to approach and avoid different kinds of information. non-chronologically sorted social media is especially apt for this purpose because it provides direct feedback on how a message is received, and repeats it based on that feedback.

at this point the algorithm may as well be the maya of samsara

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Death By The Blues posted:

In Farsi we have a term "aghab oftadeh" which means fallen behind ie mentally challenged, can we just refer to the people in DnD as that?

Stupidity is a result of a moral deficiency not an intellectual one.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014




owned

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

TeenageArchipelago posted:

Open Source Intelligence, where their source is openly US/Israeli intelligence

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Absolute hero enters the white devils unholy temple and destroys rachel maddow and ben stiller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7n-sYCrWk

white ghoul liberals shrieking while this guy spits truth is so awesome.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Id suddenly drop dead too if my daughter took a trip to support a genocide state

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







was it posted that the IDF is targeting Bakeries?

https://x.com/MustafaBatneen/status/1714932074040250863?s=20

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
was it posted what the IDF is not targeting?

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Buddykins
Feb 12, 2011

osint deez nutz

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