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fuctifino posted:I don't know why you are posting that person as gospel? He comes across as a loving idiot in the videos of his I've watched. I've never understood his attraction He's making a far more convincing case than "no, to the contrary". Just because Israel WOULD do it, and have done similar and worse in thr past, doesn't mean they DID do it in thos specific case. And the fact that they faked evidence to make everyone hate Hamas more doesn't mean it wasn't actually Hamas. What would Israel gain from lobbing a bottle rocket into a hospital car park and pushing a few cars around?
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Dabir posted:He's making a far more convincing case than "no, to the contrary". That's not the argument I'm making, so I don't know why you are putting those words in my mouth. Listen, I'm not going to do a breakdown of all the evidence, but might I suggest you take your argument and points to the correct thread to discuss this in detail and try posting that video you posted as some kind of quality source of info
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Dabir posted:He's making a far more convincing case than "no, to the contrary". It was an explosive airburst that knocked down false ceilings inside the adjacent hospital and turned five hundred people into mincemeat, according to the eyewitness testimony of a celebrated MSF surgeon. But yes, I'm sure your beardy YouTube guy has all the answers.
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I'm just surprised that you of all people would be struggling with the idea that you can manufacture evidence for something that is nevertheless true. Or do you not believe that Keir Starmer holds everyone in Manchester in absolute contempt after all?
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Darth Walrus posted:But yes, I'm sure your beardy YouTube guy has all the answers. A load of facebook friends started posting this guy, and they went down a weird hand-wavy centrist road... I tried watching three or four videos of his after friends said "No, you must really listen to this person".... ... but he's no different than any other sell-out grifting oval office who's found enough people to grift to. You cant trust grifters. They aren't a good source of truth
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Dabir posted:I'm just surprised that you of all people would be struggling with the idea that you can manufacture evidence for something that is nevertheless true. Or do you not believe that Keir Starmer holds everyone in Manchester in absolute contempt after all? What I think about what keir starmer thinks and does is based primarily on his track record of what he says and has done, and dubious evidence presented either way does not significantly change my opinion of the man or what I think he has done or will do in the future.
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OwlFancier posted:What I think about what keir starmer thinks and does is based primarily on his track record of what he says and has done, and dubious evidence presented either way does not significantly change my opinion of the man. There we go then. Evidence being disproven doesn't prove the opposite of what the evidence was showing. I agree.
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Dabir posted:What would Israel gain from lobbing a bottle rocket into a hospital car park and pushing a few cars around? Israel as a nation state? Nothing. The current Israeli government? Dead Palestinians. Why would they tell everyone to move from north Gaza to south Gaza in order & then continue to drop bombs in southern Gaza? What about the government of Netanyahu & the utter psychopaths & fascists in his government makes it hard to believe that cruelty & collective punishment is the point? I'm glad you are convinced by Youtube weirdo but I'll continue to keep an eye on Al Jazeera's reporting, which remains head & shoulders above anything else available in the English language.
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Dabir posted:There we go then. Evidence being disproven doesn't prove the opposite of what the evidence was showing. I agree. My point is that I think people are saying Israel probably bombed the hospital because Israel is the kind of country with the kind of army that likes bombing hospitals more than the average country and army likes to do that (which is already a lot)
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fuctifino posted:A load of facebook friends started posting this guy, and they went down a weird hand-wavy centrist road... I tried watching three or four videos of his after friends said "No, you must really listen to this person".... You have literally been gleefully posting about your adventures in blatantly making poo poo up so why should I trust anything you say? Because you do it for free?
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Dabir posted:You have literally been gleefully posting about your adventures in blatantly making poo poo up so why should I trust anything you say? Because you do it for free? I haven't built up a cult following, and nor would I want one. I don't make my living either from shitposting. I'm sorry you've fallen down this idiot's rabbit hole. You aren't alone.
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I *really* wish you all would take it to the I/P thread, where I go if I want to read about this poo poo. and I am actively avoiding it at the moment. As some of you know, I'm from Israel and I'm already having literal nightmares about this, so please just keep it contained to that thread, thanks.
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Dabir posted:You have literally been gleefully posting about your adventures in blatantly making poo poo up so why should I trust anything you say? Because you do it for free? You going to reply to me about that charming little attempt to minimise mass murder with that 'bottle rocket' line?
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https://twitter.com/Agitate4Change/status/1715035877624222098 e: Sending hugs Miftan. Unless stuff is specifically UK centric, IP related stuff should be contained in the correct thread. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Miftan posted:I *really* wish you all would take it to the I/P thread, where I go if I want to read about this poo poo. and I am actively avoiding it at the moment. I know it means nothing from me but I'm deeply sorry for this profoundly hosed up situation
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Miftan posted:I *really* wish you all would take it to the I/P thread, where I go if I want to read about this poo poo. and I am actively avoiding it at the moment. ><Sending Virtual Hug>< 
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Darth Walrus posted:You going to reply to me about that charming little attempt to minimise mass murder with that 'bottle rocket' line? I was insufficiently up to speed on the facts and I'm sorry about that. Israel would have done far worse. fuctifino posted:I haven't built up a cult following, and nor would I want one. I don't make my living either from shitposting. You've not said a single thing he's wrong about. Do your old friends in the UKMT a favour and let us know when you make the jump from bullshit artist to bullshit merchant. You won't be the first.
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I mean unless we're specifically discussing the role of the UK in the ongoing conflict, I really don't see any reason to be arguing it in depth here anyway. There's a thread for it Dabir, go own people with your facts and logic there.
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OwlFancier posted:If it's causing you distress I will certainly knock it on the head. If it's people talking about the UK's role in it, that's fine. I don't mean to ban it from the thread outright, but stuff like the last page or two arguing about the rockets isn't UK related and I like to have this thread to come to if I don't want to look at the I/P thread or my social media, so that would be appreciated. e and thank you for the well wishes, it does mean a lot when people care and aren't just stupid racist at me for a solid 5 minutes about the whole thing. Miftan fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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PMs are sort of like the car park of the internet. In that it costs you a tenner to get in and you use them for things that should be hidden from god.
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THE FIRST ACT OF THE MAD KING OWL FANCIER, FIRST OF THEIR NAME
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Come to the chat thread, the metaphorical equivalent of the middle aisle.
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Owly's gonna go mad with power and eventually morph into a several thousand year old lonely space worm.
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Finally I will have time to build the perfect minecraft world.
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Miftan posted:I *really* wish you all would take it to the I/P thread, where I go if I want to read about this poo poo. and I am actively avoiding it at the moment. it affects people here too and there are protests everywhere because of it our government is planning policy to ban pro-Palestinian protests and make it illegal to boycott Israel this is stuff that we all need to discuss here i'm afraid
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late to internet ad chat but because it looked like some of you were using youtube to listen to music i would like to let you know that ublock origin is enough to block ads on spotify web when using a free account
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this is the first time i have actually heard that baby shark song everyone was mad about having stuck in their head years back. i see why they were mad about it
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