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KakerMix posted:I got the 8bitdo Ultimate to replace my ancient wired 360 controller and it has been fantastic, no regrets. Have had it for almost a year now. I imagine that the Pro 2 will well built, but I wanted hall effect sensors so didn't even consider it. The 8bitdo pro 2 has already lasted longer than any of the first-party controllers I've owned (never mind the back paddles being a gamechanger) so I have to imagine that the Ultimate will outlast our grandchildren
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I got an Ultimate a couple weeks ago to replace my Xbox One controller and I’m really loving it as well, though the labels on the AXYB buttons are different from Xbox’s configuration by default and I haven’t yet taken the time to figure out how to switch them around.
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Do people type them out normally as AXYB? I've always been like ABXYFruits of the sea posted:Anybody have opinions on the 8bitdo Pro 2 as a replacement for an XBOX 360 controller? I see they also make one with the same layout as an XBOX controller but its not easily available in my country. I do have an 8BitDo Pro 2 and I love it! But it's in the Playstation controller form factor rather than Xbox. If you want something closer to XBox, probably the Ultimate is the way to go I think? But I haven't gotten around to getting it yet because...my Pro 2 is still going very strong.
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careful when buying the Ultimate controller because there's quite a few models, all with different pricing and feature sets.
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Artelier posted:Do people type them out normally as AXYB? I've always been like ABXY I kinda wish I got a Pro 2 instead of a non-BT Ultimate, because it would let me take screenshots in Steam (via Switch Pro controller emulation). But I bought it cause it was less than half of what a BT Ultimate usually goes for, and I haven't seen big discounts for the Pro 2 recently. Pro 2 also has a bigger battery and gyro controls (same as the BT Ultimate). Doesn't come with a dock, though. I think the non-BT could theoretically let you map a screenshot button through it's Direct Input mode too, but the software isn't set up for it.
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Thanks, sounds good! The ultimate is only available from sketchy online retailers in my country unfortunately - don't want to deal with them precisely because I bought a controller and couldn't get a refund when it broke after two months. I would if I could, especially after this was mentioned: KakerMix posted:hall effect sensors
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Oct 20, 2023 09:49
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Do these sensors have the Monty Hall problem?
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If money wasn't an object, I'd get a Dualsense Edge ($200!!!). If I understand correctly, all of it's extra buttons are now individually mappable with Steam. Together with the touchpad, that's like a hundred extra inputs.
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Oh neat, it has extra buttons below the joysticks? I can get that here. Honestly I don't really care about price so long as it has good build quality, some extra buttons and does not break. My 360 controller is still kicking after 15 years but the left joystick has some weird wobble input and the d-pad is bad.
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It doesn't have hall effect sticks, but since in this hypothetical scenario money grows on trees, drift isn't a problem because you can buy replacement sticks that don't require controller disassembly $20 also apparently the battery life sucks
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disposablewords posted:I can't speak to more than just my experience, but playing GE1 and 2 on PC a few years ago had no technical issues. Also, buying GE2 on Steam comes with GE1 automatically, they're a package deal. On one hand you're correct the GE1 plot tends a bit darker and moodier and since it's technically a later game in terms of release date it has some QoL features that you REALLY feel the lack of when moving to 2. On the other hand, in GE2 you eventually unlock a super mode that requires you to accomplish moderately difficult requirements during a fight (that you pick for yourself), has a lot of buildup and when it finally starts up it plays this insanely cheesy song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFkUPAbpqE4 So I still gotta give it up for GE2 in the end. Also I can't believe no one mentioned all three GE games have this absolutely insane bullet customization feature that lets you make your own crazy anime shot patterns. They will mostly suck worse than just shooting a normal bullet unless you follow a guide, but they can be SO FANCY.
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Fruits of the sea posted:Anybody have opinions on the 8bitdo Pro 2 as a replacement for an XBOX 360 controller? I see they also make one with the same layout as an XBOX controller but its not easily available in my country.
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Honestly one of my favourite roguelites. Just impressive gunfeel for a 2D game and you feel like an absolute badass when beating the bigger (or more dickish) ships.
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Commander Keene posted:I love the Pro 2, it's great. You might want to consider the 8bitdo Ultimate though, it supposedly has completely drift-free Hall effect sticks. Pay attention that there's two Ultimate models: one 2.4g with Xbox button layout and another called 2.4g + Bluetooth with Switch button layout. Only the latter has Hall sticks from the product description, and this one also costs about 20 USD/EUR more. And this more expensive model apparently has no wired mode, which the Xbox cheaper model has. That means when the battery goes it becomes a paper weight, which is pretty lovely.
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On that note, the Pro 2 has an easily removable battery, which the ultimates don’t.
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Rinkles posted:On that note, the Pro 2 has an easily removable battery, which the ultimates don’t.
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I don't think hall effect sticks are a very big deal
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Holy gently caress why is it so goddamn complicated for. I just bought a Lime Green Xbox controller and plug it in with usb-c.
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Saoshyant posted:Pay attention that there's two Ultimate models: one 2.4g with Xbox button layout and another called 2.4g + Bluetooth with Switch button layout. Only the latter has Hall sticks from the product description, and this one also costs about 20 USD/EUR more. do you mean these two? https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8bitdo-ultimate-wireless-2-4g-gaming-controller-with-charging-dock-for-pc-windows-10-11-steam-deck-android https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8b...0-11-steam-deck because both have usb-c charging their product naming convention and minor differences are a nightmare
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:I don't think hall effect sticks are a very big deal https://i.imgur.com/aLNshyz.mp4
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https://twitter.com/blacktabbygames/status/1715337094510305769 Oh well.
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haldolium posted:do you mean these two? Yeah, I did. Going by their Amazon page, the Switch one (Bluetooth + 2.4g) didn't mention anything about also working wired, but their official site actually does, so I added additional confusion to something that's already confusing. Sorry. So, both of them work wired if needed. Here's the two options in a tl;dr form: If you want Xbox layout and don't mind missing out on the Hall Effect sticks, go with the cheaper option (i.e. Ultimate 2.4g). About 50 USD / EUR. If you prefer the Switch layout, also need Bluetooth, and really would prefer to have longer lasting sticks, go with the more expensive model (i.e. Ultimate 2.4g + Bluetooth). About 70 USD / EUR. Prices obviously vary depending on where you'll buy them. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Oct 20, 2023 |
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:I don't think hall effect sticks are a very big deal They're overly-proselytized about but since Sony and Microsoft don't seem interested in the "stop being cheap and/or greedy fuckers" option it's at least a reasonable answer.
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like, if you're replacing your wired 360 pad after 20 years, maybe stick drift isn't the menace you think it is? nintendo has really traumatized some of you
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They're overly proselytized because every first party controller sucks in regards to how long it will last now. I can still use my Dreamcast controllers with hall effect sticks and PS2 controllers just fine but my switch joycons drift, one of my ps4 controllers drifts, my first xbone controller had the bumper button on the right just collapse when I wasn't even using it. It's nice to have an option that at least fixes the stick drift issue, and 8bitdo stuff tends to be rock solid quality wise and if it's not their support has been fantastic IME. Even the super expensive PS5 controller I think requires you to spend an extra 40 bux or whatever to even get hall effect sticks or you'll eventually deal with drift on that.
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:like, if you're replacing your wired 360 pad after 20 years, maybe stick drift isn't the menace you think it is? My new-style Xbone controller developed stick drift within a year of light use. It's an actual problem.
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I've been using an old wired xbox 360 controller for bunch of years and I've had zero problems with it ever
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I've seen people say like "I'm on my 5th DualShock and 3rd Xbox Elite in two years because of stick drift" and I've literally never experienced stick drift a single time across 10-12 controllers. Is it just good luck or some difference in how people are using it? Environmental factors? Are sticks objectively more cheaply made than they used to be? On the other hand, the stick-click on one of my Switch joycons is busted and that's just as bad since the joycon is useless for many games.
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Volte posted:I've seen people say like "I'm on my 5th DualShock and 3rd Xbox Elite in two years because of stick drift" and I've literally never experienced stick drift a single time across 10-12 controllers. Is it just good luck or some difference in how people are using it? Environmental factors? Are sticks objectively more cheaply made than they used to be? On the other hand, the stick-click on one of my Switch joycons is busted and that's probably worse. I got it on my newest Xbone controller after playing through Control once and then shelving it. If it helps, imagine that my playstyle involves hucking the controller repeatedly at a brick wall, I guess. I got it on a new Switch controller within a year of light use (I don't play console games much). At least the sticks are easy to replace on Switch controllers.
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Like I think the easiest explanation is that analog sticks are cheaply made and cheaply sourced and if you don't experience drift you're just lucky and people aren't lying about how they use their controllers
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Nobody said you were lying, chill out. I'm curious about what causes it, because clearly it's not a universal problem, and people who experience drift often have stories about having many controllers with drift. I'm not saying you're abusing the controller, I was thinking more of things like "it sits in a particularly humid or dry place" or things like that.
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Volte posted:I've seen people say like "I'm on my 5th DualShock and 3rd Xbox Elite in two years because of stick drift" and I've literally never experienced stick drift a single time across 10-12 controllers. Is it just good luck or some difference in how people are using it? Environmental factors? Are sticks objectively more cheaply made than they used to be? On the other hand, the stick-click on one of my Switch joycons is busted and that's just as bad since the joycon is useless for many games. Just pure luck, I imagine. I've also never lost a controller to stick drift, but my XBox controllers have instead all eventually started registering multiple button presses, which could be a sign that I hammer on them too hard maybe.
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It can be hard to notice when you're getting stick drift in certain games because they'll automatically set a big dead zone for sticks. I think the explanation I saw for Switch sticks involved a soft material breaking down inside the mechanism and shoving debris everywhere, which is why spraying electronics cleaner into the stick can sometimes alleviate the problem temporarily.
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:like, if you're replacing your wired 360 pad after 20 years, maybe stick drift isn't the menace you think it is? Honestly, I still have my original wired X360 controller on the desk and use it regularly when I don't want to go look up compatibility stuff/charge controllers/whatnot. poo poo works and seems to be indestructible even though it's older than 15 years by now. Stick drift does seem to be an issue in modern controllers, though. My first Switch developed it shortly after I got it. And I keep hearing even the super elite bullshit Microsoft and Sony are doing at 200+ USD/EUR has that issue and I'm baffled. Extremely baffled. Those are not cheap toys!
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Saoshyant posted:Honestly, I still have my original wired X360 controller on the desk and use it regularly when I don't want to go look up compatibility stuff/charge controllers/whatnot. poo poo works and seems to be indestructible even though it's older than 15 years by now. Sony's response with their super elite $200 controller was to recognize that stick drift will happen and give you a plug-and-play option to swap sticks lol This is in lieu of just sourcing Hall effect sticks in the first place for pennies more
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I bought an 8bit do pro and its a good feeling controller but the analogue stick kind of disintegrated in half and I had to glue it back together so not sure I could earnestly recommend
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My original wired 360 controller is still going strong but unfortunately the dpad is as it was originally designed: unusable garbage. I got an Xbox Elite 2 for Christmas last year and it hasn't let me down so far, and I have a couple of regular XSX ones in backup just in case.
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I think my current Microsoft pad has lasted for nearly 5 years, the two before this started drifting in 2 or so, same for Steam controller. Before that I used Chinese knock-offs and those generally lasted for 2-4 years.
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My xbox elite 2 got a little bit of stick drift and the RB button only working about half the time, both were fixed by opening it up and spraying some electrical contact cleaner in there. I did manage to make the rubbery grip look tatty and broke one of the little clips getting the cover off though, definitely worth it though if you have one with issues because the drat thing isn't cheap.
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:like, if you're replacing your wired 360 pad after 20 years, maybe stick drift isn't the menace you think it is? Xbox Elite 1/2 controllers are notorious for getting stick drift, in comparison you rarely hear about stick drift in normal Xbone controllers.
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