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Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Salt Fish posted:

I didn't realize it was against the law to steal 10 billion dollars of customer funds, take them to the casino, and then lose them.

i wasn't gambling i was on an important mission to help miss tron

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BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

Victory Lap posted:

He's just got to...head up to the stand and explain how once he had gambled his customer's money into infinity dollars he was going to use it all to save humanity. Things just got out of hand with a minor economic 'blip' it could have happened to anyone.

I bet this is exactly what he says.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
He's on record that all his ethics poo poo was fake and for show:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23462333/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-cryptocurrency-effective-altruism-crypto-bahamas-philanthropy

He shamefully messaged this journalist and asked her to take this article down.

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!
Winklevosses plastered the whole NYC in ads for their dumb scam in 2020-2021. It was at every bus stop.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
did Bank man or any other coin lord have career history before their great coin rise and fall?

like even musk has the history of "blood emerald failson" failed paypal prez, and then a few lucky lottery tickets with tesla and spacex. like i think Bankman's parents are just generic rich people?

drk
Jan 16, 2005
bankman jr worked at a bank before becoming his own bank

bankman sr was a professor of law before joining his sons organized crime family

MechaCrash
Jan 1, 2013

Is there any way for SBF to make things less bad for himself? I think "good" is not even remotely an option at this point. I'd say that maybe he could throw himself on the mercy of the court, but I don't think that would get very far with the flagrant criming he's done (and that's not getting into if he would do that, just if he could).

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



drk posted:

bankman jr worked at a bank before becoming his own bank

bankman sr was a professor of law before joining his sons organized crime family

His mother was also a law professor before she got in on the criming. Both worked at Stanford where they specialized in ethics.

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Regrettable posted:

His mother was also a law professor before she got in on the criming. Both worked at Stanford where they specialized in ethics.

"ethics"

I'm imagining all three Bankman-Frieds doing the air quotes now.

And laughing.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Bankmans-Fried.

Thorgot
Apr 4, 2010

drk posted:

bankman jr worked at a bank before becoming his own bank

Small point of clarification, he worked at Jane Street, an algorithmic trading company.

So in essence, he worked as a professional gambler of vast sums of money before becoming a professional gambler of even vaster sums of money.

The jury is still out on the "professional" part of that though.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, my plan was always ultimately to rob from [everyone] and give to the poor. And you can trust me to make good decisions about who to give charity to because as this trial has made clear my judgment is impeccable

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
Your honor my client requires a laptop while on the stand so he can play video games while he testifies. It’s the only way he knows how to concentrate

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Scratch Monkey posted:

Your honor my client requires a laptop while on the stand so he can play video games while he testifies. It’s the only way he knows how to concentrate

Ah, the TikTok generation.

Seriously though, how the gently caress are kids raised on TikTok going to be able to hold down a job or drive a car or do anything requiring more than thirty seconds of concentration?

Thom Yorke raps
Nov 2, 2004


tango alpha delta posted:

Ah, the TikTok generation.

Seriously though, how the gently caress are kids raised on TikTok going to be able to hold down a job or drive a car or do anything requiring more than thirty seconds of concentration?

Ok boomer

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

That’s cute, but you are just hand waving away how social media affects developing brains. I think it’s wise to be cautious.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

tango alpha delta posted:

Ah, the TikTok generation.

Seriously though, how the gently caress are kids raised on TikTok going to be able to hold down a job or drive a car or do anything requiring more than thirty seconds of concentration?

I think they'll probably start by not being a cartoonish "father I cannot click the book" parody.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


I hate to break it to you but video games and social media have been rotting brains far longer than tiktok specifically has been doing the work. Anyone under about 35 is already irredeemably addled, and we're already doing surgery and electrical work and something awful posting and eleven digit financial crimes.

Not to mention all the people in older age groups who've been hosed up by the Internet just as hard, as evidenced by basically everything that is happening everywhere, all of the time.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Deformed Church posted:

I hate to break it to you but video games and social media have been rotting brains far longer than tiktok specifically has been doing the work. Anyone under about 35 is already irredeemably addled, and we're already doing surgery and electrical work and something awful posting and eleven digit financial crimes.

Not to mention all the people in older age groups who've been hosed up by the Internet just as hard, as evidenced by basically everything that is happening everywhere, all of the time.

And that perfidious rock and roll will destroy our culture, and novels are going to corrupt our youth, and polyphonic music will drive humans insane, and writing is just a passing fad that fucks up everyone's memory.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

I mean writing was the beginning of the end imo

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.


tango alpha delta posted:

Ah, the TikTok generation.

Seriously though, how the gently caress are kids raised on TikTok going to be able to hold down a job or drive a car or do anything requiring more than thirty seconds of concentration?

There were Simpsons jokes about childrens' rotting brains by the time you graduated high school and the social media generation has already been in the workforce for a decade, so no I don't think it's going to be a problem.

"Drive a car"...come on, man

Squiggle fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Oct 20, 2023

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Squiggle posted:


"Drive a car"...come on, man

I grew up watching Vines and I go through so many cars please send help.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

tango alpha delta posted:

Ah, the TikTok generation.

Seriously though, how the gently caress are kids raised on TikTok going to be able to hold down a job or drive a car or do anything requiring more than thirty seconds of concentration?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuhyiBynJmE

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Juul-Whip posted:

Bankmans-Fried.

Bankmen-Fried

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Deformed Church posted:

I hate to break it to you but video games and social media have been rotting brains far longer than tiktok specifically has been doing the work. Anyone under about 35 is already irredeemably addled, and we're already doing surgery and electrical work and something awful posting and eleven digit financial crimes.

Not to mention all the people in older age groups who've been hosed up by the Internet just as hard, as evidenced by basically everything that is happening everywhere, all of the time.

Video games have actually helped my spatial awareness and reflexes, helping me be a better driver. I have absolutely nothing against video games. Or rock and roll.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Lol at this whole page

If you don't engage with younger people you don't have to make up a version of them to be mad about

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!
Let’s get back to something we can all agree on.

Buttcoin

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



BigBadSteve posted:

Yep, wouldn't want your fictional paper currency to be counterfeit, perish the thought. How could anyone even think of giving such fakes as gifts?

There is a difference between a movie prop and a copy of a movie prop made decades later.

Actually the idea that they're the same thing is kind of NFT-ish.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Random Stranger posted:

I immediately searched for any prop Bison dollars for sale because they'd be a great Christmas gift and I figured they'd have to have made mountains of them to use in the movie. Couldn't find any, just replicas. :smith:

They only made enough for the top layer of one case, and even those were printed only on one side.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
https://newsletter.mollywhite.net/p/the-ftx-trial-day-twelve

quote:

Why does the defense seem to be so weak?
As I wrack my brain to understand why the defense is playing out this way, a few possibilities come to mind.

One possibility is that the defense team just… isn’t very good. The team, which comes from the relatively distinguished Cohen & Gressler law firm, has a pretty good reputation, but could it be unearned? After all, they didn’t achieve an acquittal in their most well-known case, either: Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to twenty years. Then again, they faced a near impossible task defending a client with such provably close ties to Jeffrey Epstein, and perhaps getting her a 20-year sentence out of a possible 35 years was the best possible outcome.

Another possibility — significantly more likely than the first, in my view — is that this case is similarly unwinnable. The defense’s difficulty in conjuring a plausible alternative explanation for how these companies collapsed in which Bankman-Fried emerges innocent could simply be because no such explanation exists. Defense attorneys aren’t miracle workers, and try as they might, they can’t always prevent smoking guns from being introduced into evidence (such as Ellison’s contemporaneous admissions implicating Bankman-Fried at a surreptitiously-recorded company meeting).

One additional factor that may be complicating things is the specific defendant they’re tasked with trying to exonerate. Bankman-Fried’s past relationships with lawyers have been troubled, to say the least, with one team throwing in the towel less than two weeks after the company filed for bankruptcy because of his “incessant and disruptive tweeting”.1 In an interview with Tiffany Fong, who asked what his then-lawyers thought about his public statements, he responded: “I told them to go gently caress themselves. I don’t think they know what they’re talking about. I mean, whatever, they know what they’re talking about in the extremely narrow domain of litigation, they don’t understand the broader context of the world.”

As someone who’s watched Bankman-Fried rather intently over the last year or so, he’s always come across to me as someone who is so confident in his own intelligence and abilities that he believes he can outwit anyone. This could potentially include his own lawyers. If his defense team doesn’t have the full story from him, or if he’s not being helpful in providing information to formulate his defense, he could be sabotaging his very own strategy. Some obstinance on his part seemed to come through in August when, despite pleas from his defense team to the judge for more access to their client, Bankman-Fried refused to meet with his own lawyers because the jailhouse Internet was slow and the provided laptop battery was weak.

quote:


Will Bankman-Fried testify?
It seems to me that Bankman-Fried’s best chance at this point is to keep his mouth shut and hope that the jury — or at least one single juror — hasn’t found the government’s case to be convincing.

Putting the sometimes abrasive Bankman-Fried on the witness stand seems like a surefire way to turn the jury against him, and he will face tough questions from the prosecution for which he may not be prepared. His usual approaches of trying to dodge questions he doesn’t want to answer, or dance around them in long-winded but insubstantial responses, aren’t likely to hold up well in front of experienced cross-examination under oath, with a prosecution team equipped with an arsenal of evidence to rebut any falsehoods.

Even if he seems destined for conviction one way or another, he still has much left to lose if he takes the stand: he could still convince the jury to convict him on more charges than they otherwise might have, or cause the judge to impose a longer sentence, or cut off possible avenues for appeal.

Your average person would probably take their defense counsel’s advice and clam up. Sam Bankman-Fried is not your average person. The man who seems endlessly confident in his own abilities to talk his way out of trouble, who has spoken of his willingness to take huge risks in the hopes of even a small chance at an outsized reward, is exactly the type of person who might avail himself of the judge’s offer: if he wants to testify, even if his lawyers have advised him not to, all he has to do is stand up.


Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
the best way to think about ethics is like a board game where you try to accumulate as many "ethics points" as you can by the end of the game, no matter how cutthroat, dishonest or selfish you have to be to get there

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
There is a massive commotion outside the courtroom following Sam Bankman Fried's earth shattering testimony. The jurors seem to be building a rudimentary guillotine and the judge has donned an executioner's hood. And here comes Sam now, he's being dragged out by both the prosecution and the defense, arm in arm, united against him. The people of the gallery are filing out after, some have lit torches and they're all calling for blood.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Lol at this whole page

If you don't engage with younger people you don't have to make up a version of them to be mad about

Yes but why do they churn cheese like that

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

cruft posted:

Bankmen-Fried

the Bankman, Fried, and Bankman-Fried household

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

tango alpha delta posted:

Video games have actually helped my spatial awareness and reflexes, helping me be a better driver. I have absolutely nothing against video games. Or rock and roll.

So you’re saying that the stuff you grew up with was actually fine and good and the hysteria surrounding it was nonsense, but the stuff kids these days are growing up with really is going to turn them into useless zombies? What a novel thought.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Ariong posted:

So you’re saying that the stuff you grew up with was actually fine and good and the hysteria surrounding it was nonsense, but the stuff kids these days are growing up with really is going to turn them into useless zombies? What a novel thought.

i mean, adults who use tiktok and social media also become useless zombies so there's maybe something to it

Victory Lap
Feb 25, 2001
SBF picturing his testimony next week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQv6KTfQow

istewart
Apr 13, 2005

Still contemplating why I didn't register here under a clever pseudonym

Salt Fish posted:

He's on record that all his ethics poo poo was fake and for show:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23462333/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-cryptocurrency-effective-altruism-crypto-bahamas-philanthropy

He shamefully messaged this journalist and asked her to take this article down.

I remember this coming to light (poo poo, it hasn't even been a year since this garbage started falling apart), but I suspect his thinking isn't nearly that coherent. Especially because he's constantly ripped to the gills on hard stimulants, but setting that aside... To me, this just seemed like a burst of resentment because he was facing loss of status and clout, rather than any definitive evidence that he was a master manipulator the whole time. If he had managed to stay on top, he probably would've went right along pushing and earnestly believing in whatever schemes he and his cronies cooked up to "better humanity." I bet a not-insignificant number of CEOs of high-dollar corporatized non-profits would express similar sentiments if they had everything suddenly yanked away from them.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Fur20 posted:

i mean, adults who use tiktok and social media also become useless zombies so there's maybe something to it
Are you sure of the cause and effect there?

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Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.
I think he should take the stand and apologise. It should work.

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