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quote:Final Mission is Operación Al Horno which will be targeting Highway 9 in the Punta Arenas AO with the objective of destroying soft logistical targets that are supporting the PLA's front line in the area. This should achieve the desired outcome of reducing the capability of mechanised units to push further on the front line. This will be carried out by Uzi and/or Ford with loadouts of rocket pods, and other ground strike capable munitions. Simple task of search and destroy in a GROUND INTERDICTION mission.   Uzi 1: F-5, x4 This is perfect tasking. Uzi 1 will utilize either low drag iron bombs or cluster bombs and find anything on the road. We will establish a line and bomb everything south of it on it from high altitude. We can loiter around for a few minutes after bomb drop to use our Sidewinders as low-ability CAP if need be.
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Gridlocked posted:I have no idea - I am making an assumption. If they can't fit them we shall find an alternative. Panther can mount JDAM's, but we will need preset target points as we do not have a TGP. If we do not have pre-planned target points then I think we'd be better served with CCIP MK82/MK84's and save the JDAM's for later targets.
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Gridlocked posted:I have no idea - I am making an assumption. If they can't fit them we shall find an alternative. It's doable, but ideally the primary targets should have precise steerpoint coordinates to drop JDAMs on to make the most out of them.
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Panther 2 Flight Brief Command - Please advise if target waypoints will be available! If no target waypoints are available switch to MK84 / MK82 loadout.     Flight path a IP will depend on if we have JDAM's or not. If we have them, we coordinate target tasking and deploy at best altitude. If we go in with MK82/MK84 then we will use WP3 and WP4 as guides for potential target area. 1st Priority is unloading cargo ships. 2nd priority is port facilities. Oil tanks / tankers are particularly exciting. ATC / Self ATC @ 260.00 ABM @ 261.00 - CONDOR PACKAGE @ 263.00 - BUZZARD FLIGHT @ 154.00
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Kaal posted:
Game master wise approved as briefed as long as no deviation off of the flight path.
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 Combined Air Combat Command - SCAD After discussion in the war room we have some amendments to the plans people, listen up: Pontiac 1 you WERE doing TARCAP over the Straight of Magellan - you are no longer doing so. You are now ESCORTING Venom and Springfield as dedicated A2A ships in Operación A La Plancha Updates to loadouts for Operación A La Plancha. Venom after discussion with your flight lead its been determined that you will be focusing on SEAD entirely [/b ]for the mission. There have been concerns raised that you may "blow your load" on Target 1. Do not do this - Target 1 is there to finish the BUK-equiv that was crippled on the 15th of Feb. We do not know if it is still there or if the PLA have retreated it. Consider your primary focus is on taking SEAD to allow Springfield do to their thing. Panther - there has been discussion around why JDAMS are being suggested. Please note you are NOT on a SEAD mission. ***MEMO TO ALL FLIGHT LEADS: BRAZIL HAS AUTHORISED THE LOAN AND USE OF CLUSTER MUNITIONS ON FAD AIRCRAFT*** [b]General de aviación Daniela Figueroa Scholz 
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Chevy Flight: Mission plan Flight Lead posted:
Overview Chevy 1 is tarsked with providing CAS at the Arenas isthmus. The exact strength of the enemy forces, as well as potential threats, are uncertain., but we expect three brigades of varying degrees of mechanization. There will be CAP and friendly SAM in the AO. Weaken these brigades, but do not overextend yourselves. Suggestd loadout (preliminary): all-rounder 1x Fantasmagoria pod 2x Fuel Tank 1x Kh-25MPU anti-radition missiles 1x Kh-25ML laser-guided missile 2x RBK-500-255 HEAT heavy cluster bombs 2x B-8M1 dumb HEAT rocket pods 2x R60M AA missile Loadout reference sheet at Eagle Dynamics here Mission plan The Western portion of the AO has good visual identifiers. 3rd PLAGF Brigade is close by the shore, just southwest of what looks to be sand dunes or something. Due east of that, close by the only road in the area, and almost exactly south of the lake shore (and of the road, prior to before makes a bend) is the 5th PLAGF Mech BDE. In the East is the 4th PLAGF Brigade. I expect that it will be harder to localize them, although you can make the case that they're exactly between one of the sawtooths of Laguna Cabeza de Mar and Puerto Zenteno. Because I expect the WEstern brigades to be more easily identifiable on the day and they're closer to our own forces and our own forces have SAM coverage, I propose that the 3rd PLAGF Brigade and 5th PLAGD Mech BDE be our primary targets, and the 4th PLAGF Brigade a secondary target. In case we get separeted or disoriented I propose that we meetup at 2000m over Laguno Casimiro, the white interestingly shaped lake northeast of the AO. This should be identifiable as well as safe from intercept. If that spot becomes unsafe we shall coordinate further. Overall picture  Primary targets  Secondary target  Execution * Mind your take-off weight -- maximize take-off roll by utilizing entire runway * Approach the isthmus from the North * Swerve West until over the ocean, abeam of the sand dunes near primary target * Go racetrack pattern against primary target * Prioritze survival against air defence * Move over to secondary target * RTB at remaining fuel 150 at latest Navlog The SU-25T does not have a TACAN receiver. Navigate VFR, use waypoint 13 as reference to homebase, or ask ABM for vectors. Communications Plan Chevy Flight: 135.00 ATC (untowered): 260.00 ABM (Condor): 261.00 Strike package (Buzzard): 263.00 Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Prepping for the F-5 DCS tasking for Saturday.  
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Vaha is learning. Last time posted feet for free.
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Kaal posted:
16 Feb 2010 05:00 local - Metrology Briefing   No major concerns. The temperature dropped to just above freezing overnight. Light frost on aircraft surfaces, but handheld deicing application is sufficient. Winds are light out of the west, skies are mostly clear. Some fog in the valleys. No AIRMET/SIGMET in AO and no turbulence is expected. VFR conditions are expected for the entire flight. 05:25 local - Aircraft inspection and acceptance checks  Pitot and static ports - OK and free of debris Static wicks - Present and in good condition, no evidence of fraying or lightning strike Deicing boots - Good condition Propellors and engine nacelle - Good condition and free of debris. Light pitting on left propellor Tires and Brakes - Good condition, no excessive wear on pads Flight controls - Free and clear Empennage - Clean and in good condition Lights - Good, no cracks or damage to glass, all working Windows and doors - Locked and sealed 05:35 local - Flight planning and prestart checks The flight plan is loaded into the GPS. We will be following the assigned flight path while making several passes from different directions. This will allow for us to capture electronic signatures from different angles and speeds and use doppler shifts to triangulate more accurate locations. Sensitive optical sensors will also use the sun's glare to detect exposed metal surfaces.  Since this is the first flight of the day, we will use the battery to start the first engine and then a high-RPM engine-assisted start of the second engine. We will also do our full 24 - hour checks. This consists of an autofeather test, prop governor, check, pressurization test, anti-icing test, air conditioning, and electrical tests. Good cold start on this chilly morning. All preflight checks pass with acceptable results. 06:15 local - Departure and climb out We'll be taking a runway 25 departure with a slight right to left crosswind. We're behind a C130 on a different mission so ATC holds us slightly for wake turbulence restructions. We have an on-time departure just prior sunrise and make a left turn out over the city.   As noted above, we will be making several passes along the assigned flight route. As we head south, we turn off the transponder, radios, and lights to avoid electrical interference with the sensitive electronics. The copilot will monitor the RWR as well as monitor the skies for any indication of a missile launch or other aircraft approaching. In the event of a missile launch, the RC-12 is equipped with chaff and flare dispensers which can be activated to attempt to evade the missile. Chaff is deployed from the right hand engine nacelle and flares from the left hand side of the fuselage.     The marine layer still has not burned off and the mountains are peeking through the fog. The RWR picks up several long-range tracking radars as well as naval radars, but no fighter interceptors are received on this flight. Our crew chief in the back is busy in the back ensuring that the monitoring equipment is running as it should and adjusting scan azimuths.  The mission package. Racks upon racks of sensitive electronic to sniff out enemy radio signals, detect electrical emissions, and use light flashes and glare to detect the location of enemy units. There is also a chemical toilet in plain view of the crew chief and a relief tube so you can piss down on the Straight of Magellan from 24,000 ft. 08:02 local - Approach and landing After we made our third pass, we turned back towards friendly skies, powered down the monitoring equipment, and brought the transponder, lights, and radios back online. Descent is uneventful and the landing was successful. Total mission duration, 2 hours 45 minutes.     Final Flight Path  Please ignore the dumb left hand turn into Chinese airspace. I am not good with airplanes (i was dicking around with work calls when this was flying).
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Aero737 posted:16 Feb 2010 Very well: Check google map. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1RHYRehltgtfH02o6Yn9JgBmaHt2XqZs&ll=-50.63448141955313%2C-57.8839112&z=4 -Punta Arenas Main Port has a TELAR BUK. -Almirante Schröders and the PLAGF logistics base sites have HQ-7 emissions. -The PLAGF logistics base on the higway is likely what covers the artillery. Cameras observed artillery hitting Highway 255. -The artillery that fired has an unknown small power AA-radar, often associated with various 20-40mm guns. -One Type 052 detected, one Type 054 detected in addition to what is known. -The scans along highways Y-530 and Y-510 show nothing. Nothing at all is picked up on the coast or shoreline west of Punta Arenas. Seems like the PLAGF hasn't managed to secure it yet west of Reserve Nacional Magallanes and Reserve Nacional Laguna Parrillar. -Big Bird radar either at Tolhuin or Rio Grande, or both. Two sporadic emissions, could not correlate. -The Silkworm site at Isla Carlos III has nothing significant detected, some minor troop movement with associated radio transmissions. -The EWR site at Vasquez Glacier is not online yet, but a J-7 patrol flew south of it.
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Question to Command In light of the new intelligence, are there any changes in tasking? Please see the image below, only pay attention to the pink, green, and orange overlayed threat rings. Panther's objective is near the edge of the threat ring, Venom Target 1 is near the edge too and Target 2 is deep in it. Springfield could potentially skim the water and tag the runways at Target 2, but would be in a bad place if both ships move closer, and Pontiac TARCAP will have limited room to maneuver. 
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I'm glad all this fustercluck is happening far to the south of my hometown.
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Siegkrow posted:I'm glad all this fustercluck is happening far to the south of my hometown. Don't worry, if we gently caress up bad enough you could see us cluster bomb your neighborhood!
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Could be talking New Brunswick!
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Just be glad the Chinese didn't hurl a meteor at Buenos Aires
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I think the time we bought for the friendly forces (11th Mech Inf BDE) around Franco Bianco are wasted if we don't use that time to tactically withdraw them from the area. By bombing the bridges and degrading supply convoys, it will take a few days for PRC forces to reconsolidate and get engineering solutions in place, but once they do that, the situation will be that (if we're lucky and they don't strike them) we still rely on ferries between Punta Delgado and Tierra del Fuego. Meanwhile, the PLA will lay bridges, will reset their combat units, and will continue to kettle friendly forces on the far side of the Strait of Magellan. If we use our small victory to withdraw those forces, they might be preserved while also allowing us to use the significant natural barrier of the Strait of Magellan to prevent a PLA crossing. We have a window to largely preserve those forces and better use them to defend the mainland rather than sacrificing them on an island and then having to pull from reserves or elsewhere on the front line to prevent a water crossing. OOC: I recognize my concerns cannot be actioned for the upcoming mission based on turns taken and building the scenario mission, but something to keep in mind for the future. Right now our strategy seems to be "Why don't we just defend and win everywhereand also go on the offensive to boot." I do not think CSAD is in such a state as to pull that off successfully. Trading space for time and for destruction / overextending of enemy forces seems like a better plan.
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Negostrike posted:Just be glad the Chinese didn't hurl a meteor at Buenos Aires Please rename the Argentinian army element we have to code name Roughnecks.
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Combined Air Combat Command - SCAD Mission Updates: Operación A La Plancha Abort status's:
Condor if A La Plancha is an abort, please direct flights as best you can for use of their payloads while egressing. Remember those F1's have Durandals which can do a lot of damage. With agreement from Flight Lead of Venom (wonkotron) while en route to Target 1 some HARMs will be thrown at Punta Arenas to supress the Red Banner there. Operación Profundo Frita  NEW PLAN: Chevy 2 will now be entering on the purple labelled vector. Mission is to target the HQ-7 in this area for SEAD, striking targets of opportunity at Target 2 before routing over Target 1 and doing as much damage as they can on STRIKE to Target 1. Following this the trainers, yes that's right the M-339's, will enter on STRIKE to Target 1 to finish off the remaining artillery with Sneb's, Bombs and some Magics for blasting helicopters as targets of opportunity. General de aviación Daniela Figueroa Scholz
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 CHEVY FLIGHT STILL HAS 2 SPOTS FREE. SIGN UP YOU DINGUS. THE SU25T IS FREE. THERE ARE HARDLY ANY CONTROLS TO LEARN FOR THIS MISSION. THIS TUTORIAL DOES IT IN SEVEN MINUTES. OUR DISCORD IS FULL OF DORKS WHO WILL SET YOU UP!
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Panther 2 Update I don't think we have clear target points to use the JDAM's so we'll go in and CCIP MK84's. Target priority is 1st, unloading ships, 2nd, Port facilities.
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 Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio South American Combined Armada Buenos días señores y señoras, this is ARA Admiral Sampaio: In coordination with civil air services, the South American Combined Armada is authorizing logistical flights away from the restricted air space of the combat areas. After the success of the initial air operation charters that proved critical for the rearming of the A-4 Skyhawks aboard the NAeL Minas Gerais aircraft carrier, another charter has been organized. Brazilian military authorities have been urgently trying to get their forces into the fight, and ensure that any Chinese offensive stays well away from their home territory. With this in mind, they have been coordinating the delivery of one of their latest military developments into the area of operations. The Brazilian SABER Radar is a project of the Brazilian Army, with the objective of developing 100% Brazilian technology air defense radars. They are being developed by CTEx (Army Technology Center) and produced by BRADAR, a Brazilian company part of Embraer Defense and Security group, with funds from the Ministry of Science and Technology. The tracking system can track both air and ground targets and has a range of up to 60 kilometers and up to 5,000 meters altitude. The radar system is unique in that it can be integrated into weapon systems or missile-based anti-aircraft guns. This Early Warning Radar (EWR) is considered equivalent to a AN/TPS-44. The main components of the system are a shelter (where the three-person crew operates it) and the foldable antenna. These components are the two loads into which the system can be broken down, and packed into two M35 utility trucks (or equivalent) for road transport, or airlifted via helicopter or cargo plane. The weight of the SABER itself is only 200 kg, and it can be transported or operated in generic 6x6 trucks. However, the addition of the prime movers and assorted equipment is equivalent to 12400 kg plus the three crew. The volumetric requirement is approximately two ISO 20' RORO containers, or eight 463L pallets. A Boeing 737-700 aircraft sub-chartered from Gol Transportes Aèreos airlines will be tasked with ferrying those passengers and cargo 3,700 km (2,000 nmi) from São Paulo, Brazil (SBGR) to El Calafate, Argentina (SAWC), where the vehicles will be disembarked and then drive south approximately five hours to their classified deployment site near Laguna del Toro, Chile. São Paulo/Guarulhos International Airport (SBGR) has a 3,700 m (12,139 ft) asphalt runway, and Comandante Armando Tola International Airport (SAWC) has a 2,649 m (8,688 ft) concrete runway available. Both airports have sufficient capacity to handle the aircraft and remain fully operational. After off-loading all passengers and material, the Boeing 737-700 will then refuel and return to São Paulo/Guarulhos International Airport (SBGR). Be aware that there is a contingent of civilian passengers at El Calafate who are fleeing the conflict area and are requesting air transport to São Paulo, Brazil. Allowing them to board will complicate the return mission. SACA will not take responsibility for refugees and leaves such matters in the hands of the civil air authorities, the Avianca SA corporation, and ultimately the pilots themselves. I encourage any pilot willing to undertake this charter to contact Gol Transportes Aèreos, in coordination with Air Mobility Officer Lt. Patricio Crab, and file a flight report once the charter is completed. Delivery Flight Briefs / Digital Plans: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...cde9ab4c5f80c0& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...023c6da3918329& Return Flight Briefs: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...2c02c266ac4b89& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...bbedf26fd1b034& «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« 
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Yooper posted:
As the leader of Bravo 2, I realize this is a bit late in the game, but I was going to recommend an action plan of one team seizing and holding the radar site, with other team ambushing potential RRF. I don't believe we should give up the Radar Site once we get control of it.
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Vahakyla posted:As the leader of Bravo 2, I realize this is a bit late in the game, but I was going to recommend an action plan of one team seizing and holding the radar site, with other team ambushing potential RRF. I don't believe we should give up the Radar Site once we get control of it. This is a solid point. We'll have Bravo 1, after securing the Radar site, evaluate defensive positions there while Bravo 2 continues to hold the high ground to destroy any RRF. If they need reinforcements then an element of Bravo 1 will move up to support. edit : Additional task : A circuit breaker must be thrown to enable the radar dish. We must find this and turn it on. 
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mlmp08 posted:I think the time we bought for the friendly forces (11th Mech Inf BDE) around Franco Bianco are wasted if we don't use that time to tactically withdraw them from the area. By bombing the bridges and degrading supply convoys, it will take a few days for PRC forces to reconsolidate and get engineering solutions in place, but once they do that, the situation will be that (if we're lucky and they don't strike them) we still rely on ferries between Punta Delgado and Tierra del Fuego. Meanwhile, the PLA will lay bridges, will reset their combat units, and will continue to kettle friendly forces on the far side of the Strait of Magellan. If we use our small victory to withdraw those forces, they might be preserved while also allowing us to use the significant natural barrier of the Strait of Magellan to prevent a PLA crossing. We have a window to largely preserve those forces and better use them to defend the mainland rather than sacrificing them on an island and then having to pull from reserves or elsewhere on the front line to prevent a water crossing. So, how much longer until we can get fresh brigades down to TdF and reinforce? Completely abandoning our beach head will absolutely be politically unacceptable, but may be inevitable in a few days if we can't stuff more bodies in the combat zone. This current set of missions seem at least geared toward getting naval assets safely to the region to support the operations, but we can't hold off the whole PLA with two brigades forever.
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Hippocrass posted:So, how much longer until we can get fresh brigades down to TdF and reinforce? Completely abandoning our beach head will absolutely be politically unacceptable, but may be inevitable in a few days if we can't stuff more bodies in the combat zone. This current set of missions seem at least geared toward getting naval assets safely to the region to support the operations, but we can't hold off the whole PLA with two brigades forever. I'm just a Brazilian fighter pilot who can do some napkin math, attended some maneuver courses, and has flown over that patch of water (and got an uncomfortably close look at the water when jogging to a rescue point after I got shot down). It's Chile's problem to figure out that political fallout of losing the last small piece of Tierra del Fuego they still hold, but it seems like a much easier one than politically messaging why they would just sacrifice their troops, fighting against a numerically superior force, while having to sustain those troops across a very fragile sea and air bridge. The total population of Cerro Sombrero was less than a thousand petro field workers, and they've left by now. If China takes the hills or even establishes footholds within the hills, they can just destroy reinforcements from Chile or Argentina in detail, even if they don't cut off the supply lines entirely. This is the single operational "seaport" for supplying the troops on TdF.  Meanwhile, China has captured Cabo Negro and the associated peninsula only 50-55 kilometers away, which gives them a clean line of sight at the ferry routes and can threaten the Strait of Magellan anyway. What is key terrain about holding TdF? 
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Civilian Air Tasking-- Generals and Majors, equipment and schedule has been hard to come by in the past few days. At least one critical delivery has been made though. F16 maintenance supplies and crew have shuttled from SVBL Venezuela to El Calafate, with help of a refuel stop and despite an in-flight emergency cabin depressurization near the destination. This is likely due to using old 737s left behind in the 80s by some un-named US organization. Chavez confiscated most assets sitting around, but it meant this plane was practically pulled from the mothballs.   - Departing luscious Venezuela  - Prepping for descent into SCELS for re-fueling  - After 15 hours of flight, the cabin door locks failed and popped open, necessitating a emergency descent to El Calafate  - But the flight landed with out injury and F16s should be able to continue fighting. ---------- Medical supplies by 747: Some crew details are being finalized. Supplies should depart shortly. Chilean SOF (SCEL to SCTN): That team is ready at the departure airport and aircraft prep is underway. We expect them to arrive in time for imminent operations. The SABER radar: Looks like issues procuring the actual airframe to transport has caused a delay. I am working to sort out if a timely delivery is still possible, but it is looking unlikely. Last-mile logistics: We are trying to round up as many suitable private charters as we can to distribute supplies from hub airbases to FOBs.
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Mission Brief: Ford Flight Objective Ford is tasked with eliminating a PLA HY-1 Silkworm surface-to-surface site located on Isla Carlos III. Suggested Loadouts    These aren’t hard and fast, but the basic gist of what I want for our flight. 2 planes carrying AGM-45 Shrike anti-radiation missiles, 2 planes with plenty of ordnance to destroy everything on the ground, and 1 plane with a couple extra AIM-9’s. Everyone takes AIM-9’s. Mission Plan  Ford 1 and 2 will depart ANA Veinticinco de Mayo bearing 090 as a single flight. Once the mountains are on our right we will fly direct to D1 at low level using the terrain to mask our route. At D1 we will switch to D2 and Ford 1-1 and 1-2 will take the lead. At 10 NM from D2 Ford 1-1 and 1-2 will perform a pop-up attack and attempt to intercept any radar emitters at the objective with AGM-45 Shrikes. While the Silkworm's radar is not a threat to any aircraft, I do not want to risk a detection by any radar in case the site will communicate with hostile air coordinators. Once any radar emitters are suppressed the remainder of Ford flight will establish themselves at 10,000 to 15,000 AGL above the objective. Ford flight will then attack the HY-1 site in a similar manner they attacked the supply ships on their last mission: -The flight will maintain an orbit above the objective. -1 plane will dive to probe for hostile MANPADs or AAA while the rest of the flight spots for them. -The Flight will then commence the attack depending on air defenses present. Prioritize eliminating MANPADs or AAA followed by the Silkworm launchers. -At least 2-3 aircraft must remain up high to keep watch for enemy CAP. Once the objective is neutralized Ford will egress back to D1 and then establish on TACAN 25X back to the Veinticinco de Mayo.  Notes Ford flight will not have CAP this time around so we are on our own for everything. We will get an ABM to help our situational awareness but teamwork and communication will be critical. Our air to air capabilities are limited so we need to try our best to engage any air threats on our terms: down low and into our flight. If it gets real bad we can run toward the CNS Aspirante Isaza. Comms The A-4’s comms are currently bugged with the release of DCS 2.9 so we will just use discord. Good luck everyone. We’re going to need it  “We swear to die gloriously” Steak fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 20, 2023 |
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mlmp08 posted:Meanwhile, China has captured Cabo Negro and the associated peninsula only 50-55 kilometers away, which gives them a clean line of sight at the ferry routes and can threaten the Strait of Magellan anyway. What is key terrain about holding TdF? I think the big worry is the potential for mass material loss pulling troops over the ferry routes in a fighting retreat. There's really no easy way off of that area. When the PLA forces figure that the BDEs in that area are pulling back, they'd logically press harder both in air and on the ground, which could turn a fighting retreat in a pretty disorganized slaughter on our end. It's a question of getting our forces ground down to nothing, for certain or the potential of our already depleted units getting hosed trying to flee across the strait. Bit of a lose lose either way sort of deal. I do think major offensive operations are practically impossible at this point, with what we know is coming up in short notice. But that's just what I think. Edit: There is a PLA BDE flanking right, moving towards Laguna Verdana. It looks like there are 1 or 2 bridges there, have those been taken out yet? And if they have, what even is the depth of the water at that crossing? The PLA isn't stupid, they've probably rushed in with amphibious capable units. If they push past that area, they have direct access to our new ASR. Sadenisa fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Oct 20, 2023 |
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mlmp08 posted:I'm just a Brazilian fighter pilot who can do some napkin math, attended some maneuver courses, and has flown over that patch of water (and got an uncomfortably close look at the water when jogging to a rescue point after I got shot down). It's Chile's problem to figure out that political fallout of losing the last small piece of Tierra del Fuego they still hold, but it seems like a much easier one than politically messaging why they would just sacrifice their troops, fighting against a numerically superior force, while having to sustain those troops across a very fragile sea and air bridge. The total population of Cerro Sombrero was less than a thousand petro field workers, and they've left by now.  General of the Combined Armies, CSAD You do raise some good points, mlmp08. With the current forces we have, a continued defense of TDF is ultimately a futile waste of life and equipment. However, we are expecting 1-2 divisions worth of units to be mobilizing to the front line shortly. Vahakyla posted:
With this in mind, I think we need to be looking at the geography in the theatre, and identifying the most defensible terrain we can hold and occupy. If we can hold the lines where they are and get another brigade or two onto TDF in the coming days, we may have a fighting chance of securing a proper foothold here for a future counteroffensive, when the full weight of our armed forces can be brought to bear. If we lose the island, realistically I don't see a path forward to retaking it, even later. Their supply line to the Malvinas is just too direct and protected by modern and deadly naval vessels that we don't have an answer too. Some caveats hold here, which comes back to your point. If we can't increase the amount of meaningful sealift and airlift to TDF, then attempting to hold out is likely futile. If we can't hold the line long enough for the divisions to mobilize to the front, then we're going to have our largest concentration of troops on the front pushed into the sea and decimated. I would appreciate everyone else's take on this situation too, especially after the results of the air tasking tomorrow come in.  Seamos libres, que lo demás no importa nada! General Humberto, EA 
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Movement orders for the armies are executed. The Argentine Army 9th Mechanized Infantry Brigade "Comodoro Rivadavia" has arrived to Bolsa de Tenencia, where it is currently under urget refit from long road march, and receiving its ammunition and fuel. It will take Highway 255 towards Punta Arenas front, avoid artillery fire by taking the Y-455 detour on absolutely miserable dirt roads which will frankly slow it to a crawl after looking at that road and the quality and width. The Brigade Commander expects to have its first units as the Armored Cavalry Scout Squadron make contact with Chilean Army units around 1000hrs on the 17th, well after our air operation. The brigade projects to be completely on the front, near town of Domaike, at around 1300-1500hrs.
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I believe I made my point VERY clear.
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Elendil004 posted:I believe I made my point VERY clear. Uncanny. 
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Uzi 1: F-5, x4 Loadout: Three center pylons: CBU-52 Cluster Bombs Wingtips: AIM-9P5 Flight Plan: Fly heading 210 from the Rio Gallegos TACAN (69X) for 90 nautical miles. Cruise at 15,000 feet. This will put us visually over the Chilean forces (Marked O1 on map), and by turning south we can align ourselves on the highway. (Marked 02) on map. I've shaded two main circles that offer good SAM coverage we can escape to if needed. All attack runs shall start from the road and turn immediately east after weapon release, as indicated by green arrows. All attack runs will be independently, dropping on anything you might see on the highway. We aren't picky today, ladies and gentlemen. RELEASE ALTITUDE: 4000 feet minimum! Survival is more important than precision. Repeat until winchester on A2G weapons, then wait north of Point 01 if any immediate CAP-tasking is available. Fly home on Rio Gallegos TACAN 69X. There are no divert fields planned.  Green circle is Zone 01. Red circle is Zone 02. The landmarks are very good, use Laguna Cabezza de Mar to orient yourself, and the big Y-intersection on highways 9 and 255. 
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Alright, listen up. VENOM is tasked with SEAD/DEAD on three separate targets: SA-11 at Punta Arenas (SP 5), SA-11 at Porvenir (SP 6), and HB-7 at Esmeralda (SP 7). Loadout: 2x AIM120, 2x AIM9, 2x AGM-88, 4x GBU-38, Centerline Tank  Attack Plan
For ease of ABM coordination, the second element will be VENOM 2-1 and VENOM 2-2. VENOM 1-1 | wonkotron VENOM 1-2 | Bear VENOM 2-1 | radintorov VENOM 2-2 | Zeph Remember:
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The central issue for the Tierra del Fuego contingent is that the ferry isn't sufficient for a logistics connection, and that's going to be true moving in either direction. It would certainly be worth figuring out how long it would take to withdraw them in part or in whole. That would be useful to know. Because if we have to attempt it while under fire, the army is going to come to pieces.code:Kaal fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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Springfield Flight - Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana - 2112 Combat Squadron - Mirage F1 We are currently a three-ship, if this mission interests you please speak up. One player slot available.  Good afternoon, gentlegoons. This is your flight lead, R. Angel Banderas C., son of acclaimed and blooded FAE pilot Raúl Banderas D., who also flew the Mirage F1. We have been tasked with Offensive CounterAir to hit the runways at Aerodrome Almirante Schroeders. Expect hostile SAMs and AAA, possibly fighter response. Venom flight (four-ship Fighting Falcon) is tasked with SEAD/DEAD. They should be able to also provide some cover against enemy fighters. Flight Plan To Waypoint 1 - Fly at 2000ft To Waypoint 2 - Fly at 50ft w/ altitude hold. Be mindful of barometric altimeter inaccuracies due to speed and AoA. Altitude hold will dip you into the drink if you approach transonic speeds, as it reverts to rudimentary operation in this regime. Stay ~3nm off the coast to avoid possible air defenses. Expect the FF - Type 054A to launch at you; lazy s-turns via autopilot should be enough to defeat these missiles. To Waypoint 3 - Do not approach immediately. Crossing of runways. Venom flight will do their best to clear HQ-7 short range Radar and Optical missile systems. Rally to the northeast. Use offset feature to set an approach point, then switch back to sans-offset and correct course visually for attack run.  In-Flight Alignment only if necessary  Target As previously stated, Venom will do their best but some defenders may remain. Bait/Recon for remaining defenders via the yellow approach; try to avoid head-on, turn off between 4~5nm from Waypoint 3, do not use countermeasures. The runs will likely cause the FF to fire as well. Keep cool. Once satisfied that the target is unable to engage with HQ-7, take turns striking the runways. Keep speed up. Wiggle flight path to juke AAA if present. Drop flares to protect against manpads. Smoothly break away to the east to avoid the FF and DD in the area. Egress the reverse route.  Loadout 2x R550 Magic 2 IR AAM 2x Fuel Tanks 6x Durandal Anti-Runway Bombs    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-buvo3dj4 Flight Comms 158MHz Yardstick TACAN on 15Y / 78Y Tanker Service available, almost certainly not needed. North/South track with southern end near Waypoint 1. TACAN 13Y, 241.00MHz AM, 17,000ft Alternate Runways None. Do not land on any road near Waypoint 1, that area is within enemy artillery range. Shoot for a road near the "E" in Chile on the map, there are some long straight ones there and it should be easy to truck you back to base.
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NEED A JOB? Great news, the Chilean Army will hire anyone as an intelligence officer to work at the Chilean Army headquarters G2 division.  I want to have a new role, intelligence officer, who does not make operational decisions, but collects intel from pilots after the mission, even by reading AARs etc, and has the right to _EDIT_ the google map to add various drawings and layers on it to aid the other players and planners. You also can message the game master in a secret channel in Discord where you get Out-of-Character answers to questions in most cases. Essentially we need someone to synthetize information and compare intel. Right now lot of plans are made, and commanders have a limited view on situations. You don't need DCS or any flight sim equipment, but a passing familiarity with modern warfare helps, as does ability to now what weapons generally do and what the types mean. You could play this role completely with only using the forums, some drawing tools, the google map, and discord. Volunteer here, or hit me up in Discord. I'm only allowing someone who does not fly and is not a planner for this role, and I'd prefer someone who isn't a regular air goon.
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Good luck today pilots!
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