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Captain Invictus posted:the indignance is unwarranted. it's an unbelievably small amount of effort to not spoil a big twist in something regardless of its perceived popularity or absorption into general culture, and yet, you still cannot rise to even that level without throwing a fit, People constantly whining about spoilers from thirty year old games and loving trailers is incredibly obnoxious and doesn't deserve to be respected no.
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I don't believe we were talking about spoilers in trailers until ACD brought it up in his last post? I'm saying things that re-emerge into the spotlight such as FF7 with the remake warrant it, or persona 4 being ported on a bunch more consoles to new audiences, it's nice to tag stuff. There is no need to get upset.
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Oct 22, 2023 12:22
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There were people in Elentor's FF7 LP several years back who had *no idea* that both Aeris dies and that Cloud was in Nibelheim and were genuinely shocked by those events. It takes like, no time to be courteous and throw up a spoiler tag around something. Vandar fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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Oct 22, 2023 13:23
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Spoilers aren't real and they cannot hurt you or a work of fiction beyond what you allow them to. Even murder mysteries. Hell there's a whole sub category of those that just show you the killer are the start and then you still watch the detective do their thing.
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Oct 22, 2023 14:25
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Nothing draws attention to a spoiler being true like crying about it the instant it happens. Snape killed Dumbledore and nobody cares
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Oct 22, 2023 14:34
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Literally never read the books but of course I know about it because nobody can shut the gently caress up. Your own reaction makes it worse
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Oct 22, 2023 14:36
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Indecisive posted:Nothing draws attention to a spoiler being true like crying about it the instant it happens. Snape killed Dumbledore and nobody cares Still personally reeling that someone in the ff14 thread had a breakdown about someone just saying a 'I really like what they did with Zenos this expac' being a spoiler that he was in it. A character that not only features on the trailer that auto plays on the main menu if you sit there for more than 30 seconds but basically every single advertisement the expac had had. Also this was like a year after launch. It must be incredibly exhausting to give a poo poo about spoilers. Especially here in a thread about watching guys play video games you may not have played yourself yet.
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Oct 22, 2023 14:42
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a cartoon duck posted:used to be that jekyll and hyde being the same person was a twist Was it? I also ways just assumed it was the core concept though it being a surprise would make it sticking around the way it has make sense. And I was purposely spoiled about Culprit by folks looking to have a bit of fun and that still bums me out a bit. A good bit of that game is the mystery so having that go out the window does detract from the experience for me. This said there is plenty more to the game than that, but for those horny for a murder mystery (hi) the spoiler carries weight. Warbird fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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Oct 22, 2023 15:02
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It must be incredibly exhausting to give a poo poo about spoilers. Especially here in a thread about watching guys play video games you may not have played yourself yet. There’s a difference between intentionally spoiling something for yourself and having someone spoil it out of nowhere for you. Takes no time and barely any effort to be courteous.
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Oct 22, 2023 15:04
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Spoilers aren't real and they cannot hurt you or a work of fiction beyond what you allow them to. People enjoy media differently and just saying "don't get bothered by it" isn't going to change how people's brains work. That said, I certainly agree people can make it worse by drawing attention to something that is a spoiler, because it will flag something as "this information is important" and, at least personally, I don't get too mad if I get spoiled on something old or generally considered so engrained in pop culture it's hard to avoid, but on the other hand, it's often not that hard to read the room and know when to dance around spoilers. And in the case of something like SA, it's so incredibly trivial to add spoiler tags. Like "culprit" seems like a braindead kind of spoiler aversion because I'm under the impression that everyone knows what it means, so it's not like it makes a conversation much less awkward unless you actually want to talk about the end of the story or whatever.
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Oct 22, 2023 15:06
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I should have spoiled my message, and have gone back and done so. Marking things as a spoiler takes no effort, and there’s no reason not to be courteous. I do get a funny kick out of Woolie still saying “culprit”, but there is sense to it
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Oct 22, 2023 15:19
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Oxyclean posted:You can still have a spoiler in a murder mystery that isn't who the killer is. If a piece of media gives you a piece of information at the start, it's because it's intended for the experience. Spoilers are basically giving people information early, and while some movies and media are fun on a second go around with new information, it still can ruin that first experience. For me, my problem with spoilers has often just been creating some kind of anticipation. "X dies" and you spend a big chunk of the game/movie waiting to see when it's going to happen. Skill Issue.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Skill Issue. Yes, goons often do have skill issues with being considerate and courteous to others.
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I’ve seen people get mad about being “spoiled” about weapon names in Dark Souls 3.
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the ff14 thread is the perfect example because we have this on-going story spanning ten years, so while people put stuff that happens in the current patch behind spoiler bars, when talking about stuff like their favourite moments and fights and what-have-you they'll naturally talk about stuff that happens two or three patches, or an expansion ago. then whenever someone showed up saying "so i just started playing and" everyone has to drop what they're doing and turn the entire thing into a CIA document. caused no end of friction until people just bit the bullet and finally made a newbie thread. people talk about courtesy but courtesy is a two-way-street. like yeah, in an ff7 let's play thread people aren't gonna talk about things past the current update, most people get that. but you also got final fantasy megathreads where people do stuff like talk about their favourite childhood memories from 25 or 30 years. is it now a spoiler to talk about how surprised you were the time Kain did a thing in ff4 because someone in the thread for talking about all the final fantasies may or may not have gotten around to playing a 30 year old game? what's annoying isn't that you can't just spoil someone who who started a tv show on what happens in season 12 anymore. what's annoying is you can't talk about your favourite season 4 moment of the tv show with other tv show enjoyers in the tv show discussion place without someone telling you they're on episode 3 and they're mad you would spoil them on purpose
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a cartoon duck posted:the ff14 thread is the perfect example because we have this on-going story spanning ten years, so while people put stuff that happens in the current patch behind spoiler bars, when talking about stuff like their favourite moments and fights and what-have-you they'll naturally talk about stuff that happens two or three patches, or an expansion ago. then whenever someone showed up saying "so i just started playing and" everyone has to drop what they're doing and turn the entire thing into a CIA document. caused no end of friction until people just bit the bullet and finally made a newbie thread. People like that should wait until they're done with it/caught up tbh
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I think it is reasonable to spoiler tag things that are big twists, neat surprises, or puzzle solutions, however I also think people can sometimes be overly sensitive about basic details such as stuff like “level 3 has flying enemies” or things that are related to the basic premise of the work. That is my boring middle-ground take on the subject. I generally agree with the idea that the need for spoiler tagging older stuff is contextual - nice to do in an LP thread, something like the ffxiv newbie thread, or maybe a discussion not really related to the subject, while people in the thread for Video Game 7 probably should be ok with stuff from Video Game 4 being discussed.
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Personally I love people inventing cool and fun reasons to be a dipshit highlander about whether or not they take two seconds to apply basic thought about whether spoilers make sense for the situation. The situations were explicitly "when a work is attempting to reach out to a newer audience, it is courteous to talk about things that newcomers haven't experienced behind spoilers", again, like FF7 Remake. Stop inventing a guy to lord your "you shouldn't care about spoilers" argument over.
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Captain Invictus posted:I don't believe we were talking about spoilers in trailers until ACD brought it up in his last post? I'm saying things that re-emerge into the spotlight such as FF7 with the remake warrant it, or persona 4 being ported on a bunch more consoles to new audiences, it's nice to tag stuff. There is no need to get upset. Monathin posted:Personally I love people inventing cool and fun reasons to be a dipshit highlander about whether or not they take two seconds to apply basic thought about whether spoilers make sense for the situation. Way to be condescending lol. Trying to enforce spoiler tags for poo poo that came out in the 90s is inane.
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ff7r is maybe not the best example because a significant amount of it revolves around the player knowing what happened the first time around
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Sounds like what we need is a browser add-on that auto spoiler tags any spoiler for any media you haven't personally consumed yet [entire internet is black bars]
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A Sometimes Food posted:Way to be condescending lol. Trying to enforce spoiler tags for poo poo that came out in the 90s is inane. I mean it's really not. The 90s were thirty years ago and there's a whole host of younger people interacting with that media for the first time. 
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Oxxidation posted:ff7r is maybe not the best example because a significant amount of it revolves around the player knowing what happened the first time around
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My quality of life cratered dramatically ever since I was censored from talking about all media in its entirety as soon as it's released.
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Oct 22, 2023 19:20
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Adachi is the killer aeris dies cloud is delusional Snape kills Dumbledore etc etc grow up
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Olaf dies in frozen 2
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I mean look, it's situational, and you certainly should be dropping spoilers for something that came out last week, or just purposefully spoiling some newbie to be a dick about it, but there's also a statute of limitations on this stuff
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Farg posted:Adachi is the killer aeris dies cloud is delusional Snape kills Dumbledore etc etc grow up Farg posted:Olaf dies in frozen 2 Now explain the plot of Dune
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and so at the end of this eternal argument, thoughtful, kind folks will be considerate of others, while a different, inferior group of goon will not.
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Oct 22, 2023 20:36
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It well and truly baffles me how Woolie has beat FF16 and yet he somehow completely ignored Magic Burst as a mechanic for the entire game.
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Oct 22, 2023 21:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cTIvPU4UA Someone familiar with the Phoenix Wright series chime in, does Maya do any ghost channeling beyond the first game in the series? If so, I think Phoenix wouldn't be completely helpless in fighting Light.
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RareAcumen posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cTIvPU4UA boy does she
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RareAcumen posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cTIvPU4UA "please form an orderly queue"
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The best entry on that list is Frank Drebin, hands down. Dude would accidentally kill Light in a throwaway gag while vacationing in Japan. Wouldn't even realize there were serial killings going on. "Hey kid, I found your notebook! Death Note, huh? Ah, I remember my first revenge list... Elementary school was so much fun back then. Well heck, no wonder you keep losing this thing, you haven't even written your name on it! Here we go... Light..."
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Farg posted:Adachi is the killer aeris dies cloud is delusional Snape kills Dumbledore etc etc grow up Noooooo you BITCH
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Noooooo you BITCH
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Tupperwarez posted:The best entry on that list is Frank Drebin, hands down. Dude would accidentally kill Light in a throwaway gag while vacationing in Japan. Wouldn't even realize there were serial killings going on. This is perfectly in character and I lost my poo poo laughing at this. Thought you should know.
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Woolie's next project is a bit of a swerve - he's going to stream a read-through of The Sacred and Terrible Air, that Disco Elysium-based novel that's finally been translated into English. Not a live reading, though: an AI recreation of his own voice.
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That's kind of dumb but I guess it does avoid the main ethical problem of AI.
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