VomitOnLino posted:

Death to Israel, Death to America and Death to Germany and the UK and all the other gullible piece of poo poo governments

VomitOnLino posted:

Death to Israel, Death to America and Death to Germany and the UK and all the other gullible piece of poo poo governments

double nine posted:

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1716402217245405266

I have to say the idea that the intelligence services 'allowed' october 7 to happen hadn't occured to me, it kind of seems possible but I feel like that recuperates Israel's humiliating defeat.

It also doesn't really matter bc the concentration camp nature of Gaza justifies any attempts to lift its siege, but still. how functional and calculating is the mossad?

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Al-Saqr posted:

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2023...%A3%D9%84%D9%81

Israeli Media saying 120 thousand israelis have left their homes in the northern border areas.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

fits my needs posted:

https://x.com/CBSMornings/status/1716423451689324844?s=20

so they are planning to use helicopters to insert special forces and evacuate wounded in gaza

Death By The Blues posted:

Curious to see if Israel will target this base, that would probably mean scorched earth.

https://twitter.com/VerumReports/status/1716413624925782352

webcams for christ posted:

useless German leftists having a struggle session about whether using the phrase "open air prison" is too mean to Israel. the level of ideological discipline is unreal

HallelujahLee posted:

may allah strike down the genocidal apartheid state and the great satan

smoobles posted:

From the river to the sea
Palestine will be free

Spergin Morlock posted:

from the river
to the sea
parking will be free

webcams for christ posted:

useless German leftists having a struggle session about whether using the phrase "open air prison" is too mean to Israel. the level of ideological discipline is unreal

hubris.height posted:

fits my needs posted:

https://x.com/CBSMornings/status/1716423451689324844?s=20

so they are planning to use helicopters to insert special forces and evacuate wounded in gaza

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The demonstrations are important as an epistemological exercise. If the public sphere is completely dominated by pro-Israeli interests, then the only possibility of pushback to that comes from mobilizing a physical presence in public. It's important to maintain a political counter-narrative rather than allowing private interests to completely control the public space. Anybody who thinks demonstrations are pointless because they don't have an immediate policy outcome, doesn't understand the ideological struggle within the political process.

hawowanlawow posted:

how have the turds in dnd not been banned yet what a loving disgrace

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Since October 7, the day’s events have been shrouded in mystery. There are not only questions about the Israeli intelligence apparatus’s colossal failure to anticipate what was happening in the tightly besieged Strip or the quick collapse of their billion-dollar “Maginot Line” but also the details of what actually transpired in the military bases and settlements around the Gaza Strip. We know that, by common estimates, 1,400 Israelis were killed in the following few days, but we do not yet know the details of how.

Some reports are beginning to appear, including documentation of the killing of Israelis by Palestinian fighters, but there are a growing number of reports that indicate the Israeli military was also responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths on October 7 and the days after.

Hannibal Directive in action?

On Friday, October 20, Haaretz published a lengthy article by its senior military analyst, Amos Harel, describing Israel’s failure to prepare for Hamas’s October 7 attacks. He introduces his readers to “the commander of the Gaza Division, Brig. Gen. Avi Rosenfeld,” whom he met a few weeks before the war, and heard from him that “things won’t get better, at some point they’ll get worse.”

He goes on to describe what happened on October 7:

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“The Coordination and Liaison Office was attacked on October 7 together with all the outposts along the division’s line. A large Hamas force seized the adjacent Erez Crossing, which was closed for the Simhat Torah holiday. From there, within minutes and with no resistance, they advanced into the military base, killing and kidnapping the soldiers of the Civil Administration, though a few of them managed to return fire before being hit… Brig. Gen. Rosenfeld entrenched himself in the division’s subterranean war room together with a handful of male and female soldiers, trying desperately to rescue and organize the sector under attack. Many of the soldiers, most of them not combat personnel, were killed or wounded outside. The division was compelled to request an aerial strike against the base itself in order to repulse the terrorists.”

This dry, complimentary description of the high commander, hiding with a few soldiers in an underground bunker and ordering an aerial bombardment of “the base” where his soldiers were fighting against Hamas militants, maybe wounded and maybe taken as prisoners, has a lot to say about the Israeli psyche in these bloody times.

It brings back to my mind the events of August 1, 2014, during the most violent Israeli campaign against Gaza up to the current one. On August 1, there was a ceasefire, but an Israeli unit initiated a provocation that ended with the capture of one of its soldiers by Palestinian militants. The Israeli response was devastating, clearly designed to make sure that the soldier, Hadar Goldin, would be dead with as many Palestinians as possible. According to investigations by Amnesty International and the United Nations, cited in Wikipedia, “the massive Israeli bombardment killed between 135 and 200 Palestinian civilians, including 75 children, in the three hours following the suspected capture of the one Israeli soldier.”

These events are not accidental local eruptions of the “Samsonian” desire to die (or let your soldiers die) with one’s enemies. It is a well-documented official policy of the Israeli army, at least since 1986, known as the “Hannibal Directive,” the “Hannibal code,” or the “Hannibal doctrine.”

It may not have ended with General Rosenfeld ordering the bombing of his soldiers. It will take years until we may (or may not) have a full picture of what happened on October 7 and the following days. But in addition to military deaths, there are also some details regarding the Israeli role in Israeli civilian deaths that can already be found amid the heavy flow of propaganda around the events of the day.

Deaths in Kibbutz Be’eri

Electronic Intifada published a long interview with Yasmin Porat, describing how she was held hostage by Palestinian militants in Kibbutz Be’eri. According to her account, the kidnappers treated her and other hostages “humanely,” believing they would be allowed to retreat safely to Gaza due to the protection of the Israeli captives. However, when the Israeli soldiers arrived, “they eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very, very heavy crossfire.”

Her testimony is complemented by evidence from Israeli soldiers who described how the Israeli military shot tank shells into buildings where militants and their hostages were hiding.

On October 11, Quique Kierszenbaum reported in The Guardian about his tour of Kibbutz Be’eri, a tour organized by the Israeli Army’s propaganda unit. He writes:

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“Building after building has been destroyed, whether in the Hamas assault or in the fighting that followed, nearby trees splintered and walls reduced to concrete rubble from where Israeli tanks blasted the Hamas militants where they were hiding. Floors collapsed on floors. Roof beams were tangled and exposed like rib cages.”

In another report in Haaretz in Hebrew (it does not appear to be available in English) on October 11, probably following the same army-guided PR tour, Nir Hasson and Eden Solomon interviewed “Erez, deputy commander of an armored reserve battalion.” He described how he and his tanks unit “fought inside the kibbutz, from house to house, with the tanks.” “We had no choice,” he concludes.

Most recently, Nir Hasson returned to Be’eri and interviewed a local resident named Tuval, who was lucky to be away from the kibbutz at the time of the attack but whose partner was killed. In Hasson’s October 20 Haaretz article, he reports:

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“His voice trembles when his partner, who was besieged in her home shelter at the time, comes to mind. According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

This quote is important for several reasons; one is because it adds to the understood timeline of events. This testimony would seem to indicate that many Israeli captives were still alive on Monday, October 9, a full two days after the events of Saturday, October 7. While it might be understandable if captives had been killed in the hectic crossfire of an initial Israeli response to the attack on the 7th, this account would seem to indicate that the decision to assault the kibbutz and everyone inside was made as a clear military calculation.

It is clear Palestinian militants were hiding in these buildings with their Israeli captives as Israeli soldiers were blasting their way in with massive tank shells in close quarters. It deserves to be investigated who caused most of the death and destruction that took place. This is especially important as these deaths are now being used to justify the destruction of Gaza and the killing of thousands of civilians there.

Implications for Israeli captives in Gaza

All this is not history or simply in the past. There are implications for the next stage of the war, which might be even much bloodier. One central element of the conflict is now the fate of more than two hundred Israeli captives, soldiers, and civilians.

For the Palestinians, this is a historic opportunity to release their long-held militants from what they call “the occupation bastilles.” Even as Palestinians know that the liberation of their land is still a distant dream, the liberation of their prisoners through a prisoner swap is the most precious victory for which they can strive. However, Israel, as it has proved many times in the past and as recent events may indicate, may be ready to put the lives of its soldiers and citizens at risk rather than witness the joy of freedom celebrated on both sides of the border.

Judgy Fucker posted:

It really will be Mogadishu

Stringent posted:

https://x.com/dril/status/1716336826909340031?s=20

Gabagool posted:

https://www.anti-israel-employee.co.il

This poo poo is loving disgusting. Watch what you say out there if it's under your real name, you might get thrown on the "potentially supportive sentiments for terrorism" registry.

Chucat posted:

Just gave £50 to the cat shelter in Gaza, hope it helps out even a tiny bit.

Judgy Fucker posted:

It really will be Mogadishu

Malloc Voidstar posted:

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1716437531347320996

Malloc Voidstar posted:

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1716437531347320996

PawParole posted:

Mogadishu at its worst was never bombarded this heavily, even during the Ethiopian invasion.

moths posted:

If protests didn't matter, NYT wouldn't downplay them with misleading photos.

And again, this situation exists only because decades of Israel's perceived "popular mandate" emboldened horrific action.

According to polling, most Americans aren't down with genocide. Biden parroted Israel's hospital libel (in part) because prevailing wisdom still thinks Americans unconditionally love, support, and embrace Israel. We don't.

Protests are one way to show that.

Unlike some less-successful protest movements, this directly challenges that harmful misconception.

But also again, this is a slow macro-scale process that doesn't immediately put supplies where they need to go. But it doesn't do nothing.

Nichael posted:

Paypal said it isn't getting there until April 2024 for me. Are you sure it sent? I am very confused tbh.

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1716442002122793022

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1716442002122793022

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1716442002122793022

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1716442002122793022

Stringent posted:

https://x.com/housetrotter/status/1716435828707033443?s=20