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FutonForensic posted:My favorite Manhunter scenes are Yeah both of these were excellent, and I remember thinking during the lab scene that it was "police procedural forensics" but not in the shiny, overly-dramatized / narrated, decades-ahead-of-current-tech way, it felt more real too
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That is honestly one of the most stylish moves in all of film. It made me want a 1911 but the Canadian handgun freeze drove the prices above $2000 during the final round of imports, and they're maintenance queens.
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Manhunter is my favorite movie and they better loving hurry up on that 4k release.
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Earwicker posted:when is the last time someone made a crime thriller as good as Heat or Collateral? It's a bit lighter but I really liked Logan Lucky. It was far better than I expected it to be.
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Earwicker posted:when is the last time someone made a crime thriller as good as Heat or Collateral?
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Saganlives posted:My friends and I watched Thief a couple days ago, and whoa. I mostly agree with your analysis, though I would personally frame it more as a working class professional struggling against a system that wants to exploit his labor. Your character analysis is really spot on, too. Thief is so goddamn good. How did he come out the gate that strong?
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MrQwerty posted:I never knew I needed a rare piece of irregular cut wax single so bad I found it at an antique shop and I had to choose between this and the theme to mad max 3 shaped like Tina Turner I still feel confident that I made the right choice
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Shumagorath posted:That is honestly one of the most stylish moves in all of film. It made me want a 1911 but the Canadian handgun freeze drove the prices above $2000 during the final round of imports, and they're maintenance queens. lmao
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Jose Oquendo posted:Manhunter is my favorite movie and they better loving hurry up on that 4k release. Manhunter is great. It, Thief, and The Keep seem like Mann taking his first steps to work out a philosophy on professionalism that would carry forward into all of his movies. In Thief, Frank is superficially a consummate professional, but his professionalism is a shell hiding a broken person who can’t engage naturally with other human animals and, as a result he’s a danger to the order of things when pushed to move outside his routine. In The Keep, Glaeken is like the ultimate professional who can kill demons and bang the trauma out of a lady, but he seems more like a holy instrument, devoid of emotions and attachments, than a man. It was almost like Mann was saying “only angels can be healthy beings entirely focused performing specific tasks perfectly, because they were made that way; the rest of us become weird, sad, and dangerous when we make the attempt.” But in Manhunter William Graham is like the exact opposite of a professional. He transcends the capabilities of professionals by having no barriers between himself and others, so that he intuitively understands human motive. He’s not professional enough to survive long in the world as it is. Everyone around him is miserable but they maintain a professional barrier to keep themselves from completely losing it. Will doesn’t and is always juuuuuust about to completely lose it as a result, but by giving of himself he keeps us safe. If a professional is man destroying himself by pretending to be an angel, Will is a man destroying himself trying to be a messiah. It’s a pessimistic, but deeply sympathetic, look at being alive. Mann never presents us with a balanced way to exist, just points out that the world is hostile and all our strategies for surviving us have a deeply existential personal and interpersonal cost that must be paid to execute them effectively. I feel like other directors that picked up on the idea of the self sacrificing pro who can’t have a normal life, or the psychopath opining to the hero that they’re not so different kinda missed the nuanced, sorrowful point Mann was trying to make. We weren’t made to thrive in this world. It demands too much and is destroying us. How do we cope? Can we save ourselves without destroying our essential self in the process? Is there anything beyond us that can save us from this?
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That was a great writeup, and several words into it I realized I have not seen The Keep so I'm gonna fix that pronto
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Code Jockey posted:That was a great writeup, and several words into it I realized I have not seen The Keep It’s not a great movie, but it is interesting. Apparently his dp died after principal photography, and you can kinda tell what is and isn’t a reshoot because lighting is really inconsistent. It was also supposed to be something like 4 hours long and he had to hack it to bits. Ian McKellen wears bizarre old man makeup for most of the movie, and once fully formed the demon looks kinda like a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger villain. There are some absolutely gorgeous scenes though (I love that checkpoint in the woods, goddamn), the soundtrack is great, and overall if you like cinematic fiascos you’ll get something out of it. If you believe Tarantino it was the thing that drove Mann away from film and into arms of tv for a few years. I dunno if Miami Vice would have been a thing if he hadn’t whiffed it so hard his second time at bat, which means The Keep is indirectly responsible for a lot of popular American aesthetic developments in the 80s and early 90s.
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I'm literally watching Manhunter again right now because of this thread and man..the scene where Dollarhyde has the date and they go see the tiger and he has the brief moment of... Happiness? Humanity? Just wonderful
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when i was a kid i just assumed nash bridges was a spinoff of miami vice and it's still my headcanon
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This thread should be retitled Mannhunter.
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Earwicker posted:when is the last time someone made a crime thriller as good as Heat or Collateral? Shumagorath posted:The Town comes close, but it explicitly admits what it’s imitating and John Hamm’s character kinda drags it down. It was the first movie I saw in UltraAVX and the sound mix was excellent, down to having the right report and echo for different firearms. i liked the town but i'm not fussy about movies. Hell Or High Water. No Country For Old Men. Seasons 1-3 of Fargo. Season 2 of True Detective (fight me)
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Small Strange Bird posted:This thread should be retitled Mannhunter.
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Cactus Ghost posted:i liked the town but i'm not fussy about movies. Hell Or High Water. No Country For Old Men. Seasons 1-3 of Fargo. Season 2 of True Detective (fight me) Man you really lost the thread at the end there
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I haven’t seen season 2, but how do you make that list without season 1? Truly phenomenal TV; my only criticism is that you might mistake Harrelson’s character for his own Mary Sue based on the quality of his side-action.
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Riders of Justice is a Danish crime film and it rules.
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Small Strange Bird posted:This thread should be retitled Mannhunter.  Cactus Ghost posted:i liked the town but i'm not fussy about movies. Hell Or High Water. No Country For Old Men. Seasons 1-3 of Fargo. Season 2 of True Detective (fight me)  I wanna hear about how you like season 2 of True Detective
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Cactus Ghost posted:i liked the town but i'm not fussy about movies. Hell Or High Water. No Country For Old Men. Seasons 1-3 of Fargo. Season 2 of True Detective (fight me) i'm not fussy about movies, i just like (some of the best movies and tv shows ever made) except s2 of td lol that sucked rear end
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Just read the book that Thief is officially based on, The Home Invaders Confessions of a Cat Burglar by Frank Hohimer. Like too goddamn many books these days it’s out of print and hundreds used but is on archive.org. It’s really interesting, a well above average 70’s crime confessional from a home invader burglar that evolved into a mafia-run jewel thief. Most direct pull in the movie is that he got into the game being mentored while in jail for a crime he didn’t commit by father figure Oklahoma. Rest differs in all detail but not theme; mafia told him where the scores were, he robbed people and was and paid a fraction and not allowed to say no. Eventually of course he ran afoul of the intertwined Chicago mobs and police and only “got out” because he made sure to be arrested by the DOJ, specifically NOT the FBI. One of the more interesting things about the book is that it’s also a how-to manual on doing break-ins, covering a LOT of detail, I can see why it appealed to Mann specifically. Googling around it’s noted that EAR and some other difficult to catch burglar/rapists started after this book was published and used the techniques in the book; no clear link but interesting. I also understand why Mann kinda separated himself from the book, even when he tries to exonerate himself in his own book Hohimer is clearly not a nice man. I’ve read a lot of books in this genre and he hits the depressingly common beats; lots of rapists around but not me, it’s unprofessional, I was only a pimp for a little while, I never beat anybody when I woke them up with a gun to their head and demanded their cash and jewelry. He was also probably involved with a rather famous nasty murder of a girl during a burglary. Good choice to change the heist targets to businesses. Also a really interesting passage in the intro, by a goddamn DOJ lifer: quote:Later I learned that the FBI’s failure to provide important information is often by no means accidental. The FBI files are replete with information about organized crime that is never communicated to anyone outside the agency, not even to the United States Attorney and the Justice Department. In fact, it is not unusual for a federal prosecutor to prepare a case for indictment only to be told by the FBI that the proposed defendant is a valued informant and must therefore not be brought to trial.
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Vampire Panties posted:
Or S3 of Fargo, 1 & 2 were great but 3 felt like a faceplant although 4 was worse, but at least had the covid impact on production excuse.
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Everything was really interesting except this endcap which seems like common knowledge at this juncture lol
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Or S3 of Fargo, 1 & 2 were great but 3 felt like a faceplant although 4 was worse, but at least had the covid impact on production excuse. Season 3 owned and it's not even on the same level as four, covid or not.
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thathonkey posted:i'm not fussy about movies, i just like (some of the best movies and tv shows ever made) the question was if anyone had made as good of a crime thriller as heat or collateral and i listed some stuff i like as much as those as for why i didnt list s1 its cause i haven't seen it. i dont doubt its good, i just never made it past e1 in multiple tries because cohle's monologues consistently trigger my depression lol
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Cactus Ghost posted:i just never made it past e1 in multiple tries because cohle's monologues consistently trigger my depression lol
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Code Jockey posted:I ran this and Silence of the Lambs last night as a "more suspense than horror but I will take any excuse to run Manhunter" double feature You’re right! If it had been shot with any flashy editing, lighting, or special effects it would have lost so much impact. Instead it looks both real and completely surreal, like the murder was a magic ritual that tore a bloody hole in the fabric of domestic order itself. Almost makes me wonder if we’re seeing it how Will is seeing it, and Will is seeing it how the killer is seeing it. I also noticed he did a mirror trick in the bathroom, where the protagonist is filmed walking by multiple panes arranged at angles so that it looks like he’s going in many directions at once. I can’t recall if he did it in the other movies I’ve seen so far, but I can remember it being used at least once early on during season one of Miami Vice in a similar situation, ie the hero is confused and overwhelmed by the situation he finds himself in. Even if I’m wrong about why he’s doing it it’s a neat visual flourish! Slugworth posted:Oh yeah, that's uh, not a problem that will improve with subsequent episodes. It's a shame though, because it's incredible. That scene set to A History of Bad Men was worth price of admission alone. Milo and POTUS posted:Season 3 owned and it's not even on the same level as four, covid or not. Thewlis was so good in that season.
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mysterious frankie posted:That scene set to A History of Bad Men was worth price of admission alone. I saw Melvins a couple weeks ago and Dale is out recuperating from surgery. Coady sure did play that song and it was great. also, Small Strange Bird posted:This thread should be retitled Mannhunter.
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MrQwerty posted:Coady...was great.
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Cactus Ghost posted:i liked the town but i'm not fussy about movies. Hell Or High Water. No Country For Old Men. Seasons 1-3 of Fargo. Season 2 of True Detective (fight me) I recently gave TD season 2 another shot and loved it. Vaughn trying and failing to be a mob guy was fun, and drunken Colin Ferrell is always awesome.
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Remulak posted:Agreed - every time I see the Melvins I'm amazed at how well one drummer pulls off those two-drummer songs. And I've seem both of them now. I saw them touring as a four piece a long time ago and it was sick as gently caress. Coady is next-level, though, I was glad that he became the permanent replacement of Des in HoF cuz I don't think a whole lot of other people can really pull what Des did off.
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Watched Thief from thread’s recommendation (it’s on Paramount+), that was excellent & Caan’s character was fascinating. I liked how he was consistently thuggish & aggressive while capable of being methodical & professional on jobs, but he didn’t know when to turn it off (he may not even been capable of doing so) in situations where it may not be the best idea, comically at the adoption office, but then threatening a crime boss & banishing his wife could probably have been approached differently. Interesting to see James Belushi in a non-wacky role & he was fine, did have a question about the ending. why did Caan blow up his house & businesses? Was it to symbolize he was abandoning his dreams to be more than his mentor & resigning himself to always being a thief with no connections? I was confused as Leo didn’t want those places or even mention them & Caan wasn’t faking his family’s deaths, felt like an unnecessary act & likely to injure himself before a risky one man attack. I liked when he was storming Leo’s house and was spotted by his wife, who looks scared but has been probably expecting such a thing so she just turns back to the tv and lives.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Watched Thief from thread’s recommendation (it’s on Paramount+), that was excellent & Caan’s character was fascinating. I liked how he was consistently thuggish & aggressive while capable of being methodical & professional on jobs, but he didn’t know when to turn it off (he may not even been capable of doing so) in situations where it may not be the best idea, comically at the adoption office, but then threatening a crime boss & banishing his wife could probably have been approached differently. Read Remulak's post just a bit upthread ugly business doing ugly things and justifying them to yourself MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 23, 2023 |
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