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Bird in a Blender posted:Did he at least get to fire the Oath Keepers in the police before he gave them a bonus? No, his new superintendent says Oath Keepers are okay. https://twitter.com/SLKollmann/status/1716493566606741697
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Bird in a Blender posted:Did he at least get to fire the Oath Keepers in the police before he gave them a bonus? I would imagine that Chicago police Union has rules in place to protect the old timers from all but the most overwhelming evidence of misconduct and not merely beliefs that are definitely racist and completely undermine the credibility and legitimacy of the department as a whole. And of course who has the custody of the evidence of misconduct? The police. The police union is not above using dirty and illegal tricks to protect their power. Hypothetically they could decide to stop enforcing the law and making crime worse on purpose. If they did that, the mayor would get blamed rather than the police union. This mayor and any other mayor is under a great deal of pressure and constraints. They have media on their side. There is a whole alternative media dedicated towards smearing Chicago, highlighting the worst and most salacious crimes, and you can bet that any reformer is going to be smeared as being pro-crime and won't be in office for long enough to make a difference long term. This is the police department that extrajudicially assassinated Fred Hampton and completely got away with it. This is the police department of John burge who continued to collect a pension until the day he died despite costing the city millions in judgments for his torture program. This is a police department that had at least one black site. They are fascists and they are not going to cooperate with any attempt to make them not fascists.
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So why give these fascists a bigger raise than what Lori Lightfoot offered?
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The X-man cometh posted:So why give these fascists a bigger raise than what Lori Lightfoot offered? Yeah I don't know what to say about that. It's messed up
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The X-man cometh posted:So why give these fascists a bigger raise than what Lori Lightfoot offered? because if you don't, they might all decide to quit! wait....
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I'm very worried I'm watching Brandon Johnson turn into Tommy Carcetti from The Wire.
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The X-man cometh posted:So why give these fascists a bigger raise than what Lori Lightfoot offered? because there's been a bunch of inflation over the past few years that had not happened during the negotiations with lightfoot
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My understanding is that the city didn't actually negotiate this contract - theres a "neutral arbitrator" that basically writes the contract and sends it to both parties, and it usually just gets signed without comment.
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Bird in a Blender posted:I'm very worried I'm watching Brandon Johnson turn into Tommy Carcetti from The Wire. I didn't watch the show so I don't know who the character you're referring to is but I can say that even the most honest and virtuous person, upon taking the position of mayor of Chicago is going to face extraordinary pressure, perhaps even threats of violence, from entrenched forces and may not be able to make much of a dent. I generally favor voting for DSA alderman if possible in your district. My hope is that my district gets a DSA candidate. If we can get more people like that into such positions I think a lot of good can be done. I think we also need to counter the smearing of our city and the tactic that rags like CWB Chicago engage in where they highlight the most outrageous and salacious crimes in the city to demonize a reformers and members of marginalized groups. I do not dispute the specific facts of their cases, but they are tactic is not unlike Der Sturmer having a section of the newspaper dedicated to crimes committed by Jews or Breitbart having a section of their website dedicated to crimes committed by black people against white people. People are genuinely afraid to walk the streets at night, and they seek easy answers like empowering police officers to racially profile people or even torture people. I believe that we should have a just and equitable solution to this through things like social welfare programs and making available third places for teenagers that don't cost lots of money that they don't have but it takes time to implement and bare fruit. A lot of folks just want the catharsis of seeing a dick head get beat up by the cops or thrown in jail forever regardless of the external long-term consequences of mass incarceration on families or the Injustice of brutalizing teenagers whose brains are still developing and had crappy opportunities growing up
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CaptainJuan posted:My understanding is that the city didn't actually negotiate this contract - theres a "neutral arbitrator" that basically writes the contract and sends it to both parties, and it usually just gets signed without comment. they didn't read the loving police contract before they okayed it?
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Badger of Basra posted:they didn't read the loving police contract before they okayed it? The neutral arbitor okayed it and it goes to both parties to accept or reject
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If I'm reading correctly i think the arbitrator only added 2 items where they couldnt agree. But if you're planning to tell people to reject a deal you don't put out a press release saying you negotiated a fair deal. Really seems like he flip flopped on it edit: More details in Crains this morning https://www.chicagobusiness.com/politics/brandon-johnson-chicago-police-department-budget-city-council tl;dr the idea is to essentially "line item veto" the contract to send it back to the exact same arbitrator, which for some reason the council is allowed to do? But they need 30 down votes to "strenuously object" to that decision and that seems pretty unlikely. esquilax fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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I would like to see something substantial that Brandon has done that would make him to the left of JB. This take seems to be purely aesthetic.
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CaptainJuan posted:My understanding is that the city didn't actually negotiate this contract - theres a "neutral arbitrator" that basically writes the contract and sends it to both parties, and it usually just gets signed without comment. Did the neutral arbitrator write more work for themselves into the contract? Probably not, but that would be funny. DalaranJ fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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rachel ray romano posted:I would like to see something substantial that Brandon has done that would make him to the left of JB. This take seems to be purely aesthetic. This budget process is probably his first time to try to do that, so we'll see what happens once the council actually goes to vote on the new budget. Zoeb posted:I didn't watch the show so I don't know who the character you're referring to is but I can say that even the most honest and virtuous person, upon taking the position of mayor of Chicago is going to face extraordinary pressure, perhaps even threats of violence, from entrenched forces and may not be able to make much of a dent. I generally favor voting for DSA alderman if possible in your district. My hope is that my district gets a DSA candidate. If we can get more people like that into such positions I think a lot of good can be done. Carcetti was loosely based on Martin O'Malley, former mayor of Baltimore (also governor of Maryland). In the show, he's a white liberal who wins election based on driving down crime. He proceeds to get handed a whole bunch of poo poo, and does a generally crap job of handling it as he really only cares about keeping a good image so he can run for governor in 4 years. He was a guy getting elected on a lot of good talk, and poor follow through once faced with the actual intricacies of having to run a city and all the different demands everyone has. I wasn't really being serious with the comparison, it's way too early to do that. Just worried that Brandon will abandon any progressive plans when faced with the difficulties of running Chicago. Agreed with your other points. I really hope Johnson can implement some of his progressive plans because the long term solution of improving communities is much better than just more policing. We already know that doesn't work. It's difficult to get a lot of people to believe in that though.
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Bird in a Blender posted:This budget process is probably his first time to try to do that, so we'll see what happens once the council actually goes to vote on the new budget. So your example of Brandon actually governing to the left of JB is the budget that cuts funding for refugees in half? I don't think you can even make the argument that he's governed left of Lori, considering his only substantial reversal from her administration was firing the head of the health department.
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What has Johnson even done at all to judge him on? Appoint a police chief, attempt to set up a refugee camp, and is in the middle of negotiating a budget. He did get the One Fair Wage proposal passed. Not sure if we're counting that as left of Pritzker or not. I know there's a push for several other progressive legislation items like Treatment Not Trauma and Bring Chicago Home. I think this budget session is going to lay the groundwork for those two things. He's been in office 5 months, and we're judging him against 4 years of Lori, and 5 years of Pritzker. Let's take a breath before we start swinging axes at the guy.
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No! Gay space socialist utopia NOW!
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I think OP was responding to this statement.Dexo posted:Slightly left of JB Pritzker
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Feel free to swing axes, He'll likely be fine from the critical posts on the dead forum. But yeah to your point, there's a reason Johnson has been begging for help from JB, while both Johnson and JB have been begging for help from the White House refugees and migrants. The situation as it currently stands with southern states busing migrants to like 2 specific northern cities is getting untenable. Ukranian Refugees get federal funding assistance, guess the refugees and migrants who don't.... I do concur it would probably be smart to like wait to see the full text of the budget. And to see what they are able to wring out of JB, and the Feds. Dexo fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Oct 27, 2023 |
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 They found Burke's posts from the I-P conflict thread
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Here is an article about that one minister that got indited in Georgia for election interference. He is totally unrepentant.
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I'm disappointed in Brandon, but any poll from IPI is bullshit. They probably ran multiple polls and released the worst one
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30% is pretty good for a big city American mayor facing challenges in perception with crime and a huge refugee crisis he’s fumbled. I bet the number will get worse when reporters take the freshman kid-gloves off for year 2 of the admin.
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Badger of Basra posted:I’ll try and keep that in mind during the next election when yall decide the next CTU empty suit is Eugene Debs and Chuy Garcia is a white surpremacist https://twitter.com/RepChuyGarcia/status/1716121737094451524 Chuy's called for a ceasefire and Brandon hasn't lol
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as you can tell I am no Brandon fan but also it doesn't really matter to me that the Mayor of Chicago hasn't commented on this
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Chuy is a congressman and it makes a lot more sense that he's commented on it. Like, it'd be nice if the city of Chicago made a statement, but its not particularly material.
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Badger of Basra posted:as you can tell I am no Brandon fan but also it doesn't really matter to me that the Mayor of Chicago hasn't commented on this Agreed, municipal and even General Assembly electeds taking and hard and fast stance on geopolitics is hella cringe. Why waste political capital on something you have absolutely no say over?
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Why's it been so quiet in here this month? https://abc7chicago.com/jeanette-taylor-brandon-johnson-the-ben-joravsky-show-chicago-city-council/14130257/
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