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Shageletic posted:Just saw this. This is from an Haaretz article It's incredible how consistently full of poo poo Israel is.
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Hammerstein posted:But Bloodlands and On Tyranny are good books, lol
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VoicesCanBe posted:That's exactly what it is, Israel is entirely reacting with fascist bloodlust. Within like a day they were bombing Hezbollah and Syria for no discernable reason. They've now resorted to bombing -yes, bombing - the West Bank, which has no Hamas presence. Israel is utterly hysterical and reacting like a feral monster. weird how the neolib armies don't want do anything more dangerous than riskfree colonial policemen duty
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Hammerstein posted:
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Hammerstein posted:Bloodlands http://www.readmarxeveryday.org/bloodlies/  https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory 
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VoicesCanBe posted:It's incredible how consistently full of poo poo Israel is. They have been full of poo poo forever but yes you must take them at their word wrt the genocide they are doing
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Death By The Blues posted:Zionist settlements getting rocked everywhere currently. Pretty significant missile barrage and every one fired depletes the expensive and short stock of iron dome that much more.
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gradenko_2000 posted:again all the poo poo about Van Riper in the Millennium Challenge was about how he was cheating as an attempt to invalidate the result that he obtained, without making mention that the "blue" side he was fighting was also fighting with planes and ships and missiles that didn't exist and couldn't possibly exist either, like laser cannons and railguns and an F-35 that could fly everything about it is so great.
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i never read the millenium challenge becuase i'm not that huge of a nerd I just know the pop culture summary which is that america got owned. that's all i need or care to know because gently caress the US
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VoicesCanBe posted:That's exactly what it is, Israel is entirely reacting with fascist bloodlust. Within like a day they were bombing Hezbollah and Syria for no discernable reason. They've now resorted to bombing -yes, bombing - the West Bank, which has no Hamas presence. Israel is utterly hysterical and reacting like a feral monster. idk if you're saying this, but i don't think we should just say israel as crazy with bloodlust. it is a settler-colonial state where the in-group is a minority. they need to project superiority if not supremacy and having no good strategic options is probably making them overcompensate and bomb everything there's also bibi's position in the internal israeli politics and the different political factions he's beholden to to keep him out of jail like the super religious guys it's all very understandable tho still stupid. basically, i'm trying to say that so many seemingly irrational national decisions can be understood when you look at who's sitting at the levers of power and how those levers of power are connected to the political machinery
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OctaMurk posted:looks like 99% military aged humans I dont know if you're implying I'm OK with civilian deaths, I'm absolutely not. It's just evidence the baby headless story isn't true.
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 Looks like I might have to re-read Bloodlands and do a citation check. Once again a Euro got tricked by America...
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Timothy Snyder's entire output is propaganda to make double genocide theory palatable for western libs.
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crepeface posted:idk if you're saying this, but i don't think we should just say israel as crazy with bloodlust. making that work on top of an military filled to the brim with cowards for all sorts of reasons
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gradenko_2000 posted:again all the poo poo about Van Riper in the Millennium Challenge was about how he was cheating as an attempt to invalidate the result that he obtained, without making mention that the "blue" side he was fighting was also fighting with planes and ships and missiles that didn't exist and couldn't possibly exist either, like laser cannons and railguns and an F-35 that could fly lol Also do you have anything about this? I remember the longass article from a few years back that ripped into Van Riper and mentioned the bikes and stuff but I don't remember much about Blue Team cheating (besides the obvious restarting stuff).
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Chucat posted:lol https://taskandpurpose.com/news/millenium-challenge-2002-stacked-deck/
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Hammerstein posted:
lol seeing anyone on the forums cite snyder favourably is pretty jarring, im so used to seeing him torn to shreds in the ukraine thread
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Hammerstein posted:Road to Unfreedom can be an interesting read, if you are mentally prepared and take everything with not just a grain, but a giant sack, of salt. Haven't read them but isn't the whole space and time restriction for Bloodlands arbitrarily selected to run an equivalence between Hitler and the USSR and imply that the violence of the second caused the first? Edit: Lmao, beaten like an IDF general in his underwear genericnick has issued a correction as of 15:20 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:again all the poo poo about Van Riper in the Millennium Challenge was about how he was cheating as an attempt to invalidate the result that he obtained, without making mention that the "blue" side he was fighting was also fighting with planes and ships and missiles that didn't exist and couldn't possibly exist either, like laser cannons and railguns and an F-35 that could fly wait really? i always got the impression it was real carrier groups and lhds/lhas and the bullshit part was the networked cyber warfighting bullshit. lol at new stuff everytime this comes up
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Hammerstein posted:Road to Unfreedom can be an interesting read, if you are mentally prepared and take everything with not just a grain, but a giant sack, of salt. Bloodlands is very much not a good book, sorry
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Thank you, this is pretty good. Also it's amazing this part never really got mentioned. quote:That depends. Van Riper knew Red Team couldn't compete against the Blue Team's technological advantages, both real and experimental, so he fought as an insurgency. Even with the constraints put on the Red team, Blue Team couldn't complete all their goals while dealing with Van Riper's asymmetric assault though they destroyed much of Red's warfighting capabilities, their regime was preserved and survived in the end.
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Hammerstein posted:
well, you aren't alone but yeah... it's so bad it won the hannah arendt prize for political thought https://history.yale.edu/news/timothy-snyder-has-been-awarded-2013-hannah-arendt-prize-political-thought
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gradenko_2000 posted:Signing up with Hamas to make friends in your 30s
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genericnick posted:Haven't read them but isn't the whole space and time restriction for Bloodlands arbitrarily selected to run an equivalence between Hitler and the USSR and imply that the violence of the second caused the first? yes, Tim Snyder's academic specialty is the Double Genocide myth, where Stalin is Just As Bad as Hitler
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gradenko_2000 posted:yes, Tim Snyder's academic specialty is the Double Genocide myth, where Stalin is Just As Bad as Hitler and its corollary, "and thus the Eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis were justified or excusable because they were fighting an equally great if not greater evil"
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Someone post the section in bloodlands where it claims that antisemitism during the Holocaust was driven by greedy Jews hoarding wealth.
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For every Hitler there must be an equal and opposite antiHitler
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Cerebral Bore posted:turns out that al-saqr's description of middle eastern armies being absolutely incompetent at anything other than terrorizing helpless civilians also applies to the idf the head of the country called her on the phone in the hostage situation and told her that dying at her post was a great patriotic way to go out lol. serves him right getting assassinated later on.
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Chapter 2 of "Armies of Sand"  ... ... ...  ...  ... ... ...  I am omitting most of this chapter because most of it talks about the Soviet way of war - it's a good treatise on it, but not really the focus of what I'm trying to share with the thread. Get the book if you're interested~!
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genericnick posted:Haven't read them but isn't the whole space and time restriction for Bloodlands arbitrarily selected to run an equivalence between Hitler and the USSR and imply that the violence of the second caused the first? I honestly can't remember, cause it's years ago that I read it. Most of my WW2 books like Overy, Glantz and Tooze are about warfare, and in case of Tooze about the economy. And the majority of my Holocaust books are novels and not academic books, while books like Felix Römer's Kommissarbefehl deal with other aspects. God drat, bad enough that Snyder has somehow lodged himself as "good" in my brain. Time to purge.
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Shageletic posted:Just saw this. This is from an Haaretz article So there weren't even forty children let alone forty babies huh
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Snyder is one of the reasons Nazis have been getting a whitewashing in recent years.
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spacemang_spliff posted:there was a simulation of a war with Iran in like 2000 and the results were that the US got completely owned until they kept tweaking the rules of the simulation to make the US win The 2002 Millennium Challenge. It cost 250 million USD and the commanding Marine Corps 3 star General Van Riper said that it was rigged to enforce the doctrine rather than serve as a learning tool
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I guess you saved me the embarrassment of ever citing Snyder in an academic space or among scholars. Looks like I have a lot of additional reading to do this winter, dodged a bullet there.
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hadji murad posted:Snyder is one of the reasons Nazis have been getting a whitewashing in recent years. Him and Anne Applaebaum. Both repugnant fake academics
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Cuttlefush posted:millenium challenge? van riper was hacking. also iirc a lot of that "just reset and refloat the ships" was so certain things could get practice even if they'd always get blown up right away in that scenario. they weren't changing the rules just because they didn't want to accept that a bunch of speed boats with ftl carrier pigeons sank their battleships. Iirc there was also no way the fishing boats could have carried and launched the missiles that were larger than the boats.
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