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Sagebrush posted:elon musk is personally constantly terrified that people are going to assassinate him. he should be
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Hadlock posted:That's what happens when you hire 20 year old engineers in california who have never shot a gun before to test how "bullet proof" your car is. Because setting up a private gun range in los angeles is no small feat. You take the energy imparted on a surface using a 5.95mm bullet, then using the pneumatic cannon you have on hand, figure out what size stainless steel ball bearing and at what velocity you need to fire it at to "simulate" a gun shot. Gives you a highly repeatable test with no permits needed, but.. also you could have just driven it to Nevada and done it that way. This is all factually wrong and utter gibberish. Stop pretending you know anything about what you're talking about.
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Oct 23, 2023 05:04
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is all factually wrong and utter gibberish. Stop pretending you know anything about what you're talking about. They're right that it would be easier to just drive to Nevada if you want to shoot up a car for whatever reason.
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Oct 23, 2023 07:06
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Yeah but that means hiring a flat bed to get the cybertruck out there and back
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Oct 23, 2023 07:15
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Safety Dance posted:They're right that it would be easier to just drive to Nevada if you want to shoot up a car for whatever reason. That's assuming the Cybrtk can even make it to Nevada under its own power.
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Oct 23, 2023 07:49
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The Cybertruk is being prototype tested and built in Texas
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Sagebrush posted:elon musk is personally constantly terrified that people are going to assassinate him. Not terrified enough
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Oct 23, 2023 10:33
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freelop posted:Yeah but that means hiring a flat bed to get the cybertruck out there and back Lol
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Oct 23, 2023 11:14
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Sagebrush posted:elon musk is personally constantly terrified that people are going to assassinate him. Well, yeah. He’s a billionaire rear end in a top hat. Mind you, if anyone *was* trying, I’m pretty sure it would be done by now. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The Cybertruk is being prototype tested and built in Texas Then it should be no problem to shoot the poo poo out of it. Trust me.
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Oct 23, 2023 11:51
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It's a solid marketing tactic when you're selling mainly to people who expect to drive through a hail of gunfire on their way to the store because the news says so.
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Hadlock posted:you could have just driven it to Nevada Given the videos of it moving under its own power, probably not e:fb dammit, we were all thinking it
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Oct 23, 2023 13:20
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:he should be I get that a lot of people don't like Elon but geez man
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Oct 23, 2023 13:41
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Darchangel posted:Well, yeah. He’s a billionaire rear end in a top hat. Not possible ever since he banned the assassination coordinates from xitter!
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Oct 23, 2023 13:43
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NitroSpazzz posted:Not terrified enough 
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Oct 23, 2023 18:11
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Did anyone else play Lethal Enforcers in the Sega Genesis (or maybe it was Sega CD). On one of the levels you were shooting at a car that was chasing you, I think, and could aim for the gas cap to set the car on fire. Presumably in a remake, you could aim for the battery pack of a Tesla to achieve the same results. Applebees Appetizer posted:I get that a lot of people don't like Elon but geez man Ah, a decorum-poster.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:37
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Darchangel posted:
Exactly my point. Talk about a shooting range in Cali or Nevada was just dumb The present stream of Muskchat (Tesla shittin is fine) isnt great. Move on please
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Oct 23, 2023 19:59
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When you fire automatic weapons the tendency is for the point of aim to climb, the dings on the cybertruck are suspiciously evenly distributed around the doors. Also I'm sure even pistol rounds would have gone straight through, I've only shot at cars with rifle and MG calibres but the bodywork offers zero protection. This simulation shows 9mm going straight through https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2PJEzadWq0
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Oct 23, 2023 22:15
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I don’t believe anything Elon says, and beyond that, those “bullet” marks are like a kid’s idea of what shooting at a car looks like. Armored cars have Kevlar or some other sort of protection inside the door. Hell, a .22 will go through a car door with a straight shot. It will probably lose enough energy piercing the outer metal that it might not go through the inner skin and door panel, but it won’t leave just a dimple. And that’s just the least powerful popular commercial caliber out there. In fact, I have an old Miata door in the garage. I should try this with various calibers.
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Imperador do Brasil posted:I don’t believe anything Elon says, and beyond that, those “bullet” marks are like a kid’s idea of what shooting at a car looks like. Armored cars have Kevlar or some other sort of protection inside the door. Armored trucks for banks and poo poo mostly still use aluminum armor, iirc
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knox_harrington posted:When you fire automatic weapons the tendency is for the point of aim to climb, the dings on the cybertruck are suspiciously evenly distributed around the doors. The better question is what common bullet wouldn't penetrate ~1/8" of stainless? I know that .22lr can penetrate a plate of 18g cold roll
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Oct 23, 2023 23:00
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Applebees Appetizer posted:I get that a lot of people don't like Elon but geez man eat the rich
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Oct 23, 2023 23:04
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Cybertruk is supposably 3mm of 301 stainless which hardened correctly shooould(?) stop a 9mm? Maaaaybe? 3mm stainless is over three-four times the thickness of usual steel used in cars - hell thats still twice the thickness of steel used in ye olde cars and could not possibly comply with any kind of crumple zone and as well no loving wonder Tesla are reportedly in a tizzy about the excess weight of the drat thing. Weight is the enemy of EV range and they just gave the stupid thing a lump of useless lard
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Oct 23, 2023 23:10
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Cybertruk is supposably 3mm of 301 stainless which hardened correctly shooould(?) stop a 9mm? Maaaaybe? I wasn’t aware that it’s supposed to be 3mm. That’s pretty drat thick. Corners will be cut and materials will be skimped on.
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Imperador do Brasil posted:I wasn’t aware that it’s supposed to be 3mm. That’s pretty drat thick. Elon wanted 10 microns of accuracy. Lmao.
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Oct 23, 2023 23:19
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Hell yeah I want a truck that is almost bulletproof! All of the cons and none of the pros! Musk really pushing the American spirit of pointless huge trucks with this one, bless him!
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Oct 23, 2023 23:20
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Cybertruk is supposably 3mm of 301 stainless which hardened correctly shooould(?) stop a 9mm? Maaaaybe? Oh yeah, there's a gently caress off massive battery in that thing. No way they actually shot at it and risked lighting it on fire
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The Door Frame posted:The better question is what common bullet wouldn't penetrate ~1/8" of stainless? I know that .22lr can penetrate a plate of 18g cold roll .22 short subsonics?
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Oct 23, 2023 23:49
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I’d think .22lr quiet/suppressor would still go through, but .22 short or colibri I doubt. I wouldn’t call those last two “common” though, not like .22lr.
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Oct 23, 2023 23:55
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It might not be as popular as .22lr, but I can find .22 short in like just about any hardware store or sports shop in Canada that sells anything remotely gun related. Well except princess auto. They sell a bunch of gun related poo poo, but no "firearms" that aren't BB or pellet guns.
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Yeah you can find it easily, but just in terms of production numbers and even availability of firearms it’s no .22lr. I couldn’t find short production figures in a cursory search but LR is over 2 billion rounds a year. I’ve got a couple dozen .22 weapons and only the revolvers and the lever action will do more than one round of short without loading each round manually. Maybe I’ll grab a box of shorts and try them in one of the revolvers against the Miata door as well. None of this makes me want to buy a Cybertruck in any capacity but I do like the idea of shooting one.
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Paintballs on .020 alu?
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The Door Frame posted:The better question is what common bullet wouldn't penetrate ~1/8" of stainless? I know that .22lr can penetrate a plate of 18g cold roll 18ga is less than half as thick as 1/8". 0.048 vs 0.125. 3mm is just slightly thinner -- 0.118". Stainless steel is a stupid choice for armor plating in general. Yeah it can be bulletproof if it's thick enough, but it's weaker and more expensive than regular carbon steel, heavier than aluminum or titanium or kevlar. The only reason the cybertruck is made of stainless steel, the only reason it's claimed to be bulletproof, is because Elon thanks stainless steel is cool and he's terrified of being shot. It's Homer Simpson's car if Homer was a ritalin-addicted 13 year old edgelord dork. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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Oct 24, 2023 02:56
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I don't know what they're going for here but it's clear that all the dudes involved are stupid loving tools. I'm with you, ladies
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knox_harrington posted:When you fire automatic weapons the tendency is for the point of aim to climb, the dings on the cybertruck are suspiciously evenly distributed around the doors. That’s an armor piercing round. If the real truck was really shot, I’d assume it was with 9mm frangible training rounds.
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Sagebrush posted:18ga is less than half as thick as 1/8". 0.048 vs 0.125. I was thinking 16g, which is only like .25mm thicker, but we're on the same page for the material being a bad choice for armor. 1060 isn't twice as durable stainless, but if plinking rounds can penetrate carbon steel with decent hardness and ductility, what's going to happen when stronger rounds hit a plate of of much less ductile material meant for corrosion resistance and hardness? Sounds like best case scenario for a thick enough plate is a non-pen with internal spalling to me, and only having kevlar for sound deadening could protect occupants from that Unless they manage to hit a window with a high velocity baseball  Also, how do you fix stainless body panels in the first place? It work hardens easily and isn't particularly ductile, so a bigger dent will likely never be made flat again. You can really easily cook out the alloys if your gas coverage isn't good enough or you can't control the heat, so cutting and welding is a pain. And without primer or filler you can't fudge an imperfect repair that would look fine with a coat or two of paint. Do you really have to replace the whole thing? E: is that why the plate is so thick, so you can grind out scratches? Commuting and parking lots are going to make those things look terrible with scratches, and I get bothered enough by the scratches and marks on the SS fridge doors in my kitchen The Door Frame fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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California DMV suspends Cruise’s self-driving car permits, effective immediately. Not sure if this is the right thread because self-driving cars loving suck so them getting kicked off the roads of my state probably qualifies as Awesome Car Stuff, but then again the cars themselves are Terrible Car Stuff.  ?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:California DMV suspends Cruise’s self-driving car permits, effective immediately. quote:The DMV on Tuesday said it provided Cruise with a guide to apply for the permits to be reinstated, according to the department, but it would not approve such an appeal unless Cruise fulfills the requirements “to the department’s satisfaction.” Necessary development based on running over a pedestrian... last week? Two weeks ago? DMV has been remarkably even handed with this so far quote:The DMV on Tuesday said it provided Cruise with a guide to apply for the permits to be reinstated, according to the department, but it would not approve such an appeal unless Cruise fulfills the requirements “to the department’s satisfaction.” Looks like it was Oct 3: https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-woman-injured-pedestrian-crash-cruise/13857047/ Based on the video sounds like a human-piloted car hit a pedestrian and launched them into the air, and then the autonomous car ran over her despite trying to brake real hard  I guess she survived but haven't heard that part. Oh here is Cruise's summaryhttps://twitter.com/Cruise/status/1709114532042576305 Autonomous cars are scary but I'm cautiously optimistic they'll have fewer (and less severe) accidents over the long term starting in the 2030s Hadlock fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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Hadlock posted:Autonomous cars are scary but I'm cautiously optimistic they'll have fewer (and less severe) accidents over the long term starting in the 2030s hahahaha
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