|
Mr E posted:I think it'd be neat if we stopped adding features to games that increase graphical fidelity in an almost unnoticeable way for a 30 FPS cost. While I've enjoyed ray tracing in a few games and DLSS is amazing, I just feel like we're losing performance for tiny gains in graphics because we've kind of hit a peak. While a 360 era game is going to look worse (due to art direction/color choices for many games), the difference between that era and now is not even close to something like the previous generation to the 360/ps3 era. Just don't feel like it's worth games running like poo poo for this, it was nice to get PC ports that actually ran well for a while last gen. think again what this is about and then how inevitable it is to get to the endgoal with out ultimately hitting the uncanny valley where every major step brings minor visual improvements just before everything would come together. Issue is though that a lot of things would be needed for games as whole and photorealistic rendering is just one thing. It is never great to ask for this development to stop though I think. I find it amazing what has been pulled off in realtime graphics over the course of merely a few decades.
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 20:04 |
|
|
I started alan wake 1 over the weekend so I have some context for 2, with my only other experience with remedy being Control, and oof it’s rough. it feels much older than it actually is. the facial animation hasn’t held up at all and there’s enough close-up camera shots that it’s more than a nitpick. the visual style hasn’t aged very gracefully and it looks a fair bit uglier than many games of that time. In terms of gameplay, it’s simply unpleasant to control with weird camera stutters and Alan handling like he’s on ice (you can move just a tiny bit and he’ll keep going strangely far after you let go of WASD, etc). I’m also finding Alan as a character far less likable than Jesse and if this is how he is for the whole game, I wish we were getting a sequel to Control before this. I’m enjoying the atmosphere and vibes, but there’s very little else that holds up to a first impression today.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:21
|
|
|
AW1s development was famously a complete shitshow and the game they ended up shipping was cobbled together from the bones of a scrapped open world concept at the last minute it's no surprise it turned out rough
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:24
|
|
|
go play Max Payne. Why the gently caress would you go to somewhere in the middle of their games when they're the creators of Max Payne. AW is by far their worst game (one could argue QB, but its overall more diverse).
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:27
|
|
|
haldolium posted:go play Max Payne. Why the gently caress would you go to somewhere in the middle of their games when they're the creators of Max Payne. AW is by far their worst game (one could argue QB, but its overall more diverse). What the gently caress
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:35
|
|
|
they released a recap of AW1 in fortnite of all things so you can hit the griddy while getting up to speed on the story
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:35
|
|
|
RoboCicero posted:Yeah, the demo was just Act 1, though I don't know how much of it carries over to the game. I really liked it and plan to pick it up after work -- sort of a horror / time loop game where each loop you get a new neurotic inner voice based on the result of the last loop Abby Howard is fantastic. I like her webcomic too.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:39
|
|
|
Owl Inspector posted:I started alan wake 1 over the weekend so I have some context for 2, with my only other experience with remedy being Control, and oof it’s rough. it feels much older than it actually is. the facial animation hasn’t held up at all and there’s enough close-up camera shots that it’s more than a nitpick. the visual style hasn’t aged very gracefully and it looks a fair bit uglier than many games of that time. In terms of gameplay, it’s simply unpleasant to control with weird camera stutters and Alan handling like he’s on ice (you can move just a tiny bit and he’ll keep going strangely far after you let go of WASD, etc). I’m also finding Alan as a character far less likable than Jesse and if this is how he is for the whole game, I wish we were getting a sequel to Control before this. I’m enjoying the atmosphere and vibes, but there’s very little else that holds up to a first impression today. I started it and the writing of the famous author guy was so bad and not in a funny way I had to stop lol
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:40
|
|
|
Just read Garth Merenghi instead, Wake's a hack
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:44
|
|
|
sebmojo posted:I started it and the writing of the famous author guy was so bad and not in a funny way I had to stop lol Worst dressed videogame protagonist of all time.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:51
|
|
|
the first person who says “but he’s supposed to be a parody of bad authors” will taste my blade
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:52
|
|
|
Alan Wake has some pretty nice moments and tries to really make you care about the whole Twin Peaks vibe of the town but kind of fumbles it half the time. There's no reason to play above easy unless you absolutely love the combat, and even if then American Nightmare is way way better combat wise. Control has its Alan Wake themed DLC story that is nice if you played AW1 but otherwise you're beating an entire game (although a very good one) just in order to catch up on the AW plot so it's probably better to catch the highlights on YT or something. Oxxidation posted:the first person who says “but he’s supposed to be a parody of bad authors” will taste my blade I never got the parody aspect it felt like the entire point of the game was to set him up, in the game world, as a Stephen King expy. Only this time the weird evil stuff he writes about is somehow real. Some of the real actor filmed bits do get a little hammy but at no point is there any 4th wall breaking or meta commentary about being a bad writer.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:55
|
|
|
victrix posted:Any Heroes of Might & Magic 3 fans in the audience? what the actual gently caress
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 19:58
|
|
|
i always got the feeling that he was a mediocre author with a good publicist. a book doesn't have to be good to become a best seller.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:18
|
|
|
haldolium posted:think again what this is about and then how inevitable it is to get to the endgoal with out ultimately hitting the uncanny valley where every major step brings minor visual improvements just before everything would come together. Issue is though that a lot of things would be needed for games as whole and photorealistic rendering is just one thing. I'm saying that graphics do not need to improve anymore. I am happy where they are. I don't think they're photorealistic or anything, I just find that losing performance for slightly better lighting is not worth it. I'm sure this will get better at some point right before the next gen of consoles comes out and resets it all back to this for PC ports but I would like graphics to stay about the same as where they are for 3D AAA games and for them to actually worry about making a game that's fun to play rather than being 80% tech demo if we can't optimize anything anymore. GPUs are so loving expensive now and there's no real midrange priced card available anymore.. I'm mostly just mad that to play Alan Wake 2 I would need to both buy off the Epic store (not actually that big of a deal but a bit annoying) and get a new GPU to replace my current one that runs everything else that came out this year just fine, and even if I had a 4xxx series card it might not be enough if it's not a 4080. I'll just skip it for now and come back in a few years and of all times there are so many other games coming out, but I'm still mad about it  .
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:19
|
|
|
Alan Wake's Blade Battleaxe: Anti-Terrorist Warlock
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:20
|
|
|
Judging by the posting in the Cities Skylines thread, the new game varies widely with how well it runs, but most people seem to be able to get it playable. I will not be finding out soon because it's 56Gb and I need that space for all the other games I'm not playing at the moment.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:25
|
|
|
Alan's writing is a case for the importance of editors and drafts. We're getting a hacky author's first draft work produced under extreme pressure, of course it sucks. I love Alan Wake. It plays pretty terribly and that makes it Remedy's worst but even Remedy's worst is still tolerable, especially when spiced up with so much pure deliberate shlock, and just talking about it is making me itch to go replay it. I even loved American Nightmare and its dumb time loop stuff and their determined insistence on making you see the satellite crash set to "Club Foot" every time. I also completely understand people bouncing off AW.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:30
|
|
|
I haven't played Alan Wake because it looked like a bad game, but this is the moment when I feel obliged to say that Control was an aggressively mediocre game that was all style and zero substance, and it's most relatable character was the brother that sums the whole thing perfectly.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:36
|
|
|
You can play through a 30 minute recap of Alan Wake on Fortnite through their official release "Alan Wake: Flashback". https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/fo...ore-alan-wake-2 I loved Alan Wake and I am super psyched for the sequel this week. The combination of Twin Peaks, Stephen King, and Twilight Zone set in the Pacific Northwest was perfect for my taste. Combat was terrible, but hopefully they learned some lessons.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:38
|
|
|
strange feelings re Daisy posted:Combat was terrible, but hopefully they learned some lessons. Combat got so much better and smoother over each successive Remedy game so I'm pretty excited to see what may come in AW2.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:42
|
|
|
Jack Trades posted:I haven't played Alan Wake because it looked like a bad game, but this is the moment when I feel obliged to say that Control was an aggressively mediocre game that was all style and zero substance, and it's most relatable character was the brother that sums the whole thing perfectly. Grossly false, Control was great in all aspects
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:44
|
|
|
Jack Trades posted:I haven't played Alan Wake because it looked like a bad game, but this is the moment when I feel obliged to say that Control was an aggressively mediocre game that was all style and zero substance, and it's most relatable character was the brother that sums the whole thing perfectly. Oh look a deeply terrible Jack Trades take.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:49
|
|
|
control was cool and good
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:51
|
|
|
Goa Tse-tung posted:what the actual gently caress
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:53
|
|
|
anilEhilated posted:HoMM3 is really popular in Russia. it's still actively played to this day the closest comparison would be Starcraft in Korea.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 20:57
|
|
|
Alan Wake 2 is going to flop hard. The remastered original already underperformed 'Alan Wake Remastered has sold less than Remedy hoped.' It's a sequel to a 6/10 game that was originally released 13 years ago! How could it possibly succeed? and it's an epic exclusive, and the specs are ludicrous, and it has a season pass that the devs are going to be forced to make content for even though nowhere near enough people will have bought the base game to justify it. So what exactly does it have going for it? It's gonna have to get 10/10s across the board to spark any interest. Remedy is a publically traded company (who knew?) My hot stock tip of the week is to sell now/ or buy and hope for an acquisition post gigaflop.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:19
|
|
|
https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/infernal-bundle Infernal Bundle on Fanatical - $6.66 for: quote:Graveyard Keeper
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:21
|
|
|
Koburn posted:
Haha wait I completely forgot about that, yeah, it's going to fall into a black hole where no enthusiasm or interest will ever eacape
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:23
|
|
|
Jack Trades posted:I haven't played Alan Wake because it looked like a bad game, but this is the moment when I feel obliged to say that Control was an aggressively mediocre game that was all style and zero substance, and it's most relatable character was the brother that sums the whole thing perfectly. I wouldn't be nearly that harsh, but I'd call it a 7/10 game with 10/10 production values. Really could have used more mechanical and visual variety (though I haven't touched the DLCs yet, maybe they're a bit better in that regard).
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:28
|
|
|
Koburn posted:Alan Wake 2 is going to flop hard. The remastered original already underperformed 'Alan Wake Remastered has sold less than Remedy hoped.' Eh the Epic exclusivity may cover most or even all dev costs. Probably why they've gone nuts with the specs as it might not really matter how much it initially sells.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:32
|
|
|
Koburn posted:Alan Wake 2 is going to flop hard. The remastered original already underperformed 'Alan Wake Remastered has sold less than Remedy hoped.' I really likied AW1 more than I should but I also agree with all of this. I don't see any way this works well for Remedy, you see people showing how many more sales they get as soon as their Epic exclusive game comes to Steam and this isn't ever going to happen for AW2 because it's funded in part by Epic. Besides being a sequel to a game not a ton of people loved it really seems like if a game comes out on Epic only it just gets no advertising at all outside of the Epic store front page.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:32
|
|
|
Control had issues, like the mod system was kaka and the skill tree was wonky but boy did the gameplay feel so drat good. Whatever faults it had the things that work really worked and picked up the slack of the things that didn't.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 21:50
|
|
|
I probably spent more time finding ways to walk on people's heads and dying in safe places like his apartment, but it was still good for a weekly session. Never going to play AW2 if I have to spend $1000 just to meet minimum. I'll probably get the remaster.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 22:02
|
|
|
Koburn posted:Alan Wake 2 is going to flop hard. The remastered original already underperformed 'Alan Wake Remastered has sold less than Remedy hoped.' thank you for your hot stock tip. i now know to either sell, or buy, Remedy stock
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 22:10
|
|
|
Koburn posted:It's gonna have to get 10/10s across the board to spark any interest. Remedy is a publically traded company (who knew?) My hot stock tip of the week is to sell now/ or buy and hope for an acquisition post gigaflop. Reviewers who have been able to play parts of it early have been giving it praise, I'm optimistic about it being a quality game even if it doesn't necessarily have broad appeal. System specs are a bit scary though, I don't expect to be able to run it with with all the settings cranked up but hopefully I can still scrape by on mid-low.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 22:25
|
|
|
Squiggle posted:Haha wait I completely forgot about that, yeah, it's going to fall into a black hole where no enthusiasm or interest will ever eacape I'm keeping my eyes on it and am targeting the PS5 version if it has acceptable performance. I know Control ran like rear end at launch on PS4, I'm hoping this one is improved. I really enjoyed AW1 for all the reasons people hate it. Very eurojank and I love it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 23:08
|
|
|
Anti-Hero posted:I'm keeping my eyes on it and am targeting the PS5 version if it has acceptable performance. I know Control ran like rear end at launch on PS4, I'm hoping this one is improved. Alan Wake isn't even a little Eurojank what
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 23:14
|
|
|
Remedy is a Finnish studio, so the correct term is Uraljank.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 23:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 20:04 |
|
|
Koburn posted:and it's an epic exclusive Oh it is? lol
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2023 23:15
|
|
