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fanfic insert posted:The post is explicitly about reality not matching paper and you say nuh-uh and link the paper I do not think I'm going to meet a standard of proof of getting you onto a ship to personally count with your own eyes and hands all of the armored units on board. Especially when the standard of proof to believe that the US doesn't deploy any tank brigades to Europe is "I read it on a twitter post with zero sources." But it's possible that ships like these are just transporting decoys and that out of frame, there are no more vehicles at all, like some kind of transportation hoax that every soldier who rotates through Europe is in on. It's also predictably stupid that when these giant trains loaded with tanks and IFVs and artillery and the like go through Texas to seaports, on the way out to or back from Europe, you get tinfoil hat guys thinking the federal troops are there to conquer Texas or something. The Port of Beaumont, TX is a publicly known place and is one of several ports typically used for this kind of stuff. Punished Turtle posted:mlmp08’s silence on Palestine is deafening In sincerity, the collective punishment and war crimes against the Palestinian people is so gross, enduring, and indefensible that it's just not even remotely fun or interesting to trade barbs with psychopaths who think they aren't people and deserve it. And the one weird trick of "if you think Palestinian civilians shouldn't all just eat it and hope they don't die, I guess you love terrorism" is so loving boring. Even if someone wanted to be some real-politic edgelord to make excuses for killing civilians, even from that twisted view, it is not a compelling argument, and it sucks. So I avoid the I/P zones where people lose their loving minds about Iran or something while gasping that it's okay to indiscriminately bomb civilians and cut off their food, water, medical supplies, on top of just blowing up their homes. Pretty hard to say "oops, just collateral" when you're cutting off basic human life support and being indiscriminate by design. "The US is losing WW3" may well be apt!
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i can understand people not believing that because shipping 70-ton tanks back and forth across the atlantic for maintenance is maybe one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard.
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Hatebag posted:i can understand people not believing that because shipping 70-ton tanks back and forth across the atlantic for maintenance is maybe one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard. people within the US government debated and still debate both sides of it, at length. And a lot of the debate is not about the tanks, it’s about housing and moving family members and whether that is good or bad. Don’t need families if the troops are “deployed” for 9 months at a time away from families and living in barracks and doing exercises nonstop rather than having family around and going home at the end of each day. Plus political issues of stationing and building base infrastructure or not. so basic routine is they modernize, do a bunch of collective training events in the states, then ship over to relieve an armor unit coming to the end of their European tour. some other nations that only use their tanks in their own borders think it’s insane how much of US training is “get your equipment on a train/ship/airplane under its own power to prove you can,” since they don’t deploy overseas and have “worldwide deployment” requirements. mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 14:04 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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shipping tanks back and forth is a thing that sounds really dumb but also that's kind of always been the game plan and logistics/fuel costs are well worth keeping people at least maybe a little refreshed on how to get tanks to the periphery if you want to maintain your holdings
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# ? Oct 24, 2023 14:09 |
what's the point of keeping your logistics top notch if you just lose every war anyway? ron paul was right! close those bases!
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Punished Turtle posted:mlmp08’s silence on Palestine is deafening there's no way of knowing if those paragliders were hamas or just some guys enjoying some recreation. attributing any deaths to those attacks is denying the agency of the settlers. edit: mlmp08 posted:In sincerity, the collective punishment and war crimes against the Palestinian people is so gross, enduring, and indefensible that it's just not even remotely fun or interesting to trade barbs with psychopaths who think they aren't people and deserve it. And the one weird trick of "if you think Palestinian civilians shouldn't all just eat it and hope they don't die, I guess you love terrorism" is so loving boring. Even if someone wanted to be some real-politic edgelord to make excuses for killing civilians, even from that twisted view, it is not a compelling argument, and it sucks. So I avoid the I/P zones where people lose their loving minds about Iran or something while gasping that it's okay to indiscriminately bomb civilians and cut off their food, water, medical supplies, on top of just blowing up their homes. Pretty hard to say "oops, just collateral" when you're cutting off basic human life support and being indiscriminate by design. well okay good
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Cuttlefush posted:shipping tanks back and forth is a thing that sounds really dumb but also that's kind of always been the game plan and logistics/fuel costs are well worth keeping people at least maybe a little refreshed on how to get tanks to the periphery if you want to maintain your holdings Admittedly I am one of gods stupidest creatures but if you are shipping tanks from the USA to Europe then those transport ships have to make the return journey anyway so you might as well fill those boats with broken tanks. Iirc the USSR had a similar theory with aircraft engines where they were not really meant to be serviced thoroughly at forward positions because it makes a bunch of sense to just bring in good spares and take them back to central locations for rebuild.
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that reminds me of how instead of trying to figure out how to cool the barrel of a machine gun, the MG42 just made it really easy to swap in a new barrel after the current one was overheated
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big dong wanter posted:Admittedly I am one of gods stupidest creatures but if you are shipping tanks from the USA to Europe then those transport ships have to make the return journey anyway so you might as well fill those boats with broken tanks. Iirc the USSR had a similar theory with aircraft engines where they were not really meant to be serviced thoroughly at forward positions because it makes a bunch of sense to just bring in good spares and take them back to central locations for rebuild. well hold on now... i think a lot (all? not sure) of the shipping is done through https://www.arcshipping.com/ and they also do commercial transport. not sure i'd compare it to ussr's logistics, which is also on land and rail-based and not the weird private Voluntary Intermodal Sealift Agreement (https://www.maritime.dot.gov/national-security/strategic-sealift/voluntary-intermodal-sealift-agreement-visa) bullshit. who even owns arkshipping? also lol bonus whatever this is https://www.maritime.dot.gov/sites/...re-8-1-2019.pdf
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# ? Oct 24, 2023 14:59 |
lol of course they outsourced the shipping. i bet a lot of people who make the tank boat decisions retire to fake jobs at the shipping company
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gradenko_2000 posted:that reminds me of how instead of trying to figure out how to cool the barrel of a machine gun, the MG42 just made it really easy to swap in a new barrel after the current one was overheated That's fairly normal with gpmg design iirc. Cuttlefush posted:well hold on now... i think a lot (all? not sure) of the shipping is done through https://www.arcshipping.com/ and they also do commercial transport. not sure i'd compare it to ussr's logistics, which is also on land and rail-based and not the weird private Voluntary Intermodal Sealift Agreement (https://www.maritime.dot.gov/national-security/strategic-sealift/voluntary-intermodal-sealift-agreement-visa) bullshit. who even owns arkshipping? Ah well I did done assume that the us DOD used us DOD ships to move their shite. Well gently caress at least I overestimated the great Satan instead of the other way around
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oh hey look a pertinent excerpt!
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Hatebag posted:lol of course they outsourced the shipping. i bet a lot of people who make the tank boat decisions retire to fake jobs at the shipping company It’s a mix. Sometimes contracted, especially for routine safe operations, other times merchant marine, army boats, etc. The army has a bunch of port operations teams while military sealift command deals with assigning ships to missions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command
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mlmp08 posted:In sincerity, the collective punishment and war crimes against the Palestinian people is so gross, enduring, and indefensible that it's just not even remotely fun or interesting to trade barbs with psychopaths who think they aren't people and deserve it. And the one weird trick of "if you think Palestinian civilians shouldn't all just eat it and hope they don't die, I guess you love terrorism" is so loving boring. Even if someone wanted to be some real-politic edgelord to make excuses for killing civilians, even from that twisted view, it is not a compelling argument, and it sucks. So I avoid the I/P zones where people lose their loving minds about Iran or something while gasping that it's okay to indiscriminately bomb civilians and cut off their food, water, medical supplies, on top of just blowing up their homes. Pretty hard to say "oops, just collateral" when you're cutting off basic human life support and being indiscriminate by design. mlmp08 is right
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mlmp08 posted:
Reuters has been pretty fair overall (for a western source etc), but yesterday I caught in the war article of the day them calling Hamas launching rockets as "terrorism". Like, the district has been bombed night and day for 2 weeks straight, it's clearly a war. I'm loving this new angle of propaganda war that says one party in a war just isn't permitted attack the other. Like with Russia insisting Ukraine isn't allowed do attacks inside Russia because that's against the da roolz. Are you at war or are you not?
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The Oldest Man posted:From the I/P thread Wasn’t “psychohistory” in the Foundation novels essentially an anemic knock-off of Dialectical Materialism? Great show, though.
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mlmp08 posted:people within the US government debated and still debate both sides of it, at length. We built a town, Lehr, for 4 CMBG hth
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Got good news about American sealift. Good luck supplying anything with a bunch of 50 year old steamships. https://news.usni.org/2023/03/29/marad-head-not-at-all-confident-ready-reserve-fleet-could-be-crewed-in-a-crisis quote:During her opening remarks, Waltz said the sealift fleet had concerning readiness rates in recent exercises.
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Frosted Flake posted:We built a town, Lehr, for 4 CMBG and you kept 4th CMBG there for how long post-Cold War? If we’re talking about armored units that existed 30-60 years ago, yeah, the US had a shitload of armor in Europe instead of the present day rotational and APS model.
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Zadok Allen posted:Wasn’t “psychohistory” in the Foundation novels essentially an anemic knock-off of Dialectical Materialism?
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cat botherer posted:yeah. Asimov's ego was far larger than his intellect. IMO the show is much better than the books. Well the s2 is good. S1... only the original content empire portion is good, all the stuff from the book are terrible. I am not too crazy about the book either.
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more like isaac aidsimov
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Was it in this thread people were talking about jobs at military sealift command? The pay doesn't look terrible compared to being enlisted but life is probably horrible and you're either on a ship for 9 months, or stranded at an island naval base wishing you could be on a ship for 9 months? Seems like being a baker or something for 100k a year would appeal to people. https://sealiftcommand.com/departments/culinary/cook-baker/27 Maybe it's hard to get that specific job, or msc life simply sucks that badly, I dunno. It's fun to watch the videos and imagine if life has gone differently. maybe I'd be a second officer by now! (Nope, still a liquid poo poo pumper, damnit.)
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dune is dialectical materialism the novel
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palindrome posted:Was it in this thread people were talking about jobs at military sealift command? i knew people who worked those jobs (not for sealift but on long term cruises on government adjacent ships) and they loved it. usually. if they did it for more than a season. it was also a 6 on 6 off kind of thing. it's also probably the fastest way to get that a feel for if you like that lifestyle and I knew a few people who did a stint and then went on to get their MMCs or whatever or who decided they werent about the sailors life have heard horror stories about a lot of commercial vessels. being a steward on one of the few us science ships is chill though
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Zadok Allen posted:Wasn’t “psychohistory” in the Foundation novels essentially an anemic knock-off of Dialectical Materialism? id call it "quantitative dialectical materialism" but asimov didnt realize thats what he was describing because cat botherer posted:yeah. Asimov's ego was far larger than his intellect. IMO the show is much better than the books. and Egg Moron posted:dune is dialectical materialism the novel dune's a way, way better take on the same basic idea jared harris is loving killing it as hari seldon though
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Frosted Flake posted:We built a town, Lehr, for 4 CMBG What does Lehr mean because that's the same name as a Wehrmacht Panzer Division
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it should be lahr lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_Base_Lahr
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mlmp08 posted:and you kept 4th CMBG there for how long post-Cold War? grumble grumble grumble 2 years
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gradenko_2000 posted:What does Lehr mean because that's the same name as a Wehrmacht Panzer Division To answer this question anyway Lehr is German for "teach". This division was formed out of training personell and instructors when the Germans started being in serious trouble in 1943. It's presented as an elite division but lol poo poo is totally hosed when you cannibalize your training pipeline.
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# ? Oct 25, 2023 04:20 |
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i enjoyed all of the foundation show, yeah the empire bit is better but for most people it's another making perfect the enemy of the good situation. And that's weird to me because it's not like there's a lot of good sci fi on tv at the moment. But yeah people are like "this isn't perfect so I dropped it after 2 episodes" and i guess this is why everything gets cancelled after 2 seasons apart from dramas that are relatively cheap to make
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# ? Oct 25, 2023 05:09 |
Or they could just make something original instead
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https://twitter.com/TotherChris/status/1716760525038600673 america's attack dog ran out of grift missiles so they're ordering more grift missiles at higher grift prices Danann has issued a correction as of 05:38 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Slavvy posted:Or they could just make something original instead that would be unamerican
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xpost not sure if succ or ww3 loss DHS to offer ‘lifeboat’ reassignments to employees in expiring CWMD office | Federal News Network federalnewsnetwork.com posted:The Department of Homeland Security is setting up potential reassignments for employees in its Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction unit if Congress fails to reauthorize the office later this year.
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The Oldest Man posted:id call it "quantitative dialectical materialism" but asimov didnt realize thats what he was describing because Idk, he wrote foundation in the 50ies. Would probably have been dumb to call it that Centrist Committee posted:that would be unamerican genericnick has issued a correction as of 07:55 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Slavvy posted:Or they could just make something original instead like raised by wolves?
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# ? Oct 25, 2023 08:32 |
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I love the original foundation trilogy and most of dune (uh books 1 through 5ish), but what the world really needs is a new tv series about modern events. Wargame: Millenium Challenge™ - Many years ago, a battle erupted where the US lost. this actually never happened, since it was a WARGAME - But now, terrorist forces are using the same tactics that were pioneered by actual USSTRATCOM masterminds - Teleporting motorcycles and suicide speedboats threaten the new world order - Only one man is ripped enough to stop them. Enter -- Van Riper
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Zadok Allen posted:Wasn’t “psychohistory” in the Foundation novels essentially an anemic knock-off of Dialectical Materialism? The Oldest Man posted:dune's a way, way better take on the same basic idea Somebody once told me that Dune was essentially the story of Foundation told from the perspective of the Mule and I still think about that when it's mentioned.
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