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Religiosity is fine in service of self-betterment. I always say that learning the teachings of Jesus made me a socialist and learning the teachings of Christian establishments made me an atheist. Well agnostic I suppose. I don't believe in God but I can't rule out something more than we understand. But that also means I'm not going to follow Pascal's wager because as far as I'm concerned if whichever deity exists out there is benevolent then living a moral life regardless of worship should suffice to see you to a good afterlife, and if they're malevolent I'm hosed regardless, and if they don't exist I didn't waste my life dressing in silly clothes and repeating mantras to the empty air. Live well and do well by others, IMO, no need for a book about it.
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I guess there is the chaos option of trickster God, but I believe you can be both a moral person and an agent of chaos.
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DreddyMatt posted:Britain does have a rich history of destroying sites of worship and building something else in its place, rip astoria, and all the others
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Private Speech posted:It's a bit more concrete than that given community pressure, it would be like that if he were talking about Russian actions in Ukraine or whichever other fascist war crime thing. No worries, I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way and you're a good poster, but it's worth calling out when it comes out, even innocently.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I could have a deadly anaphylactic reaction to almost anything at a local bake sale so it's basically genocide to me... The living part anyway.
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Tesseraction posted:Religiosity is fine in service of self-betterment. I always say that learning the teachings of Jesus made me a socialist and learning the teachings of Christian establishments made me an atheist. People (particularly fundamentalists in the US, though hardcore atheists as well) have some very, very weird and selective interpretations of how christianity works that absolutely do not square with a full reading of the bible.
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well i just learned what pancake syndrome is, so thanks for that
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if i'd been asked to guess beforehand i'd have hazarded that it was a sort of Heat magazine type term for when people get carried away with plastic surgery
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like old david gests, there, type of thing
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Oh right that syndrome. That's why mum always taught me to put flour in the freezer for 24 hours after purchase.
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Best Jesus is the Jesus from the extra-canonical Gospel of St Thomas:quote:They said to him, "When shall we enter the kingdom of heaven?" Gender revolution as the path to self-realisation in 30AD, what a bro.
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Chubby Henparty posted:Reading my son a book of Norse mythology. Thought I'd picked the wrong one as its by an academic and not Fry or Gaiman or whoever but am actually kind of glad because it's really hammered (lol) home that all these gods are dicks, not even in a charming way, bring on Ragnarok and let's all be done with them. Here, the whole Valhalla comic is posted by this user here and it's wrapping up with the last book any day now: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3794989&pagenumber=1944&perpage=40#post532787827 Read this as a kid and this comic formed how I view the gods, Thor isn't loving blonde. Sneak preview from the last book 
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ThomasPaine posted:Tbh back as an edgy teen I was a huge obnoxious militant athiest, and while I do still think full secularism should be the long term goal, I've dialled back on a lot of those old ideas. I now think the whole 'religion is the root of all evil' stuff is a complete misdirection, mostly parroted by right-wingers to justify very dodgy poo poo. It's just another distraction from the reality of neoliberalism, and we should acknowledge that plenty of religious people are cool and good comrades. That being said, I have retained a pretty strong suspicion of the role of organised religion as a political entity, and I don't think I've ever seen a country governed to any extent, directly or indirectly, by religious ideology, that I've been a fan of or would want to live in. This applies as much to the USA or Israel or whatever as it does to Iran or Saudi Arabia. aye I was a yoof with dodgy atheism opinions once too but I moved on and it's not like I'm sat around my home in cargo trousers listening to house music like it's 2003 all over again ministry annual III what a loving set of bangers organised religion is inherently a brutal political tool as soon as you move past the most basic community structured self organised poo poo, and that's where all the good stuff comes from anyways that guy didn't want the good stuff either, if they were religious they would be a hardcore fundie, a vast and varied belief set that acts merely as a set of useful and unquestionable justifications
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https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1717138646770319504 Keep up the pressure on the MPs. I was targeting a local labour MP by replying to every tweet of his, often within minutes of posting. I kept asking him why he was silent about the ongoing Holocaust, and pointing out that his silence would be interpreted as complicity in the genocide. He obviously ignored me, so I upped the ante yesterday and produced this: https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1716855544760217904 It made him delete his tweet within minutes, and he's avoided twitter since. He's a serial tweeter.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Here, the whole Valhalla comic is posted by this user here and it's wrapping up with the last book any day now: Awesome thanks  Wonder if I can sneak all of it through the work printer...
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Guavanaut posted:We saw one little goat and then keith got scared 
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Chubby Henparty posted:Awesome thanks There's some nudity in some books, if that matters to what you print at work or not.
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grobbo posted:Best Jesus is the Jesus from the extra-canonical Gospel of St Thomas: Interesting. Ive downloaded it (two translations) to have a read after work. https://www.holybooks.com/the-gospel-of-thomas-two-different-translations/
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DesperateDan posted:aye I was a yoof with dodgy atheism opinions once too but I moved on and it's not like I'm sat around my home in cargo trousers listening to house music like it's 2003 all over again I think I got kinda lucky, ended up good friends with a Christian girl in the midst of an existential crisis of faith at uni somehow, despite still being a bit militant. She ended up getting with and eventually marrying a Christian socialist guy who's very sound. While we're intensely different people and I doubt he'd have much good to say about my ML tendencies, I have no doubt we agree on most of the things that matter. Meeting him and people like him did have a way of moderating my position pretty heavily. Honestly, the way going to uni broadens your social circle and exposes you to a million people with different backgrounds and ideas is probably more useful in many cases than the actual studying, especially at the undergrad level. I used to have so many unexamined blind spots and prejudices etc that I would probably never have grown out of if I'd sat in my hometown and got a job out of school rather than putting myself somewhere I was forced to live in a hyper diverse setting. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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So what you're saying is you got woked at university? Calling up whichever gremlin is currently education sec.
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BalloonFish posted:Mostly rhetorical question: Why are xenophobes/bigots so convinced that anyone speaking a language that isn't English in public is talking about them? It's a motif that comes up again and again - "It's not right hearing people speak Polish on the bus. You Don't Know What They're Saying!! I assume it's many things but being able to talk and not be understood is a (very minor) type of power and the bigots are utterly outraged that they might not be completely in control of all situations they find themselves in
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His Divine Shadow posted:Sneak preview from the last book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg0TQyjdHJ0 Worth reading the translated lyrics if you can find them.
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If the Tories are going to be in power for another year, that means that Rishi is almost certainly getting stabbed in the back and we are going to have our 4th(?) PM since the last election. Who will we get? PM Braverman?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh, that's what the 'Men die, beasts die' line is from. It also crops up in Helvegen which is absolutely spinechilling performed live: Icelandic is so weird for me to read, so familiar yet so different. Will have to listen to this later after work tho. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:As someone who had the misfortune of living in Ipswich for 2 and a half years including during the Brexit referendum I can testify that he's talking utter shite and there was palpable aggression towards any kind of foreigner especially frequently the bigoted older man TALKING AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE TO HIS MATES IN THE PUB SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THIS. They were gammon enough to elect that twit FFS, what's he on about.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh, that's what the 'Men die, beasts die' line is from. It also crops up in Helvegen which is absolutely spinechilling performed live: The translated lyrics are available as captions on this very video you have posted. Fuctifino I am very much enjoying your posting but please don’t get yourself in bother. Too many thread stalwarts are no longer with us for one reason or another recently, don’t go getting all your devices confiscated for calling an MP a nonce or whatever.
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fuctifino posted:If the Tories are going to be in power for another year, that means that Rishi is almost certainly getting stabbed in the back and we are going to have our 4th(?) PM since the last election. Braverman is the most likely choice, but she has the same problem Rishi does when it comes to Tory supporters wanting to vote for her.
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fuctifino posted:If the Tories are going to be in power for another year, that means that Rishi is almost certainly getting stabbed in the back and we are going to have our 4th(?) PM since the last election. The Boris siren goes up and he rides in to replace Peter Bone
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Maybe it's going to be the return of Truss? We are on the worst timeline possible, right?
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All I know about Ipswitch is that it's the homeplace of symphonic black metal band Crade of Filth, which is very funny to me. Dani Filth being 5' and from Ipswitch.
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I'll have a go, vote for me a vote for kecske is a vote for anarchy
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DesperateDan posted:organised religion is inherently a brutal political tool as soon as you move past the most basic community structured self organised poo poo, and that's where all the good stuff comes from anyways The Wealth of Nations posted:But if politics had never called in the aid of religion, had the conquering party never adopted the tenets of one sect more than those of another, when it had gained the victory, it would probably have dealt equally and impartially with all the different sects, and have allowed every man to choose his own priest, and his own religion, as he thought proper. There would, and, in this case, no doubt, have been, a great multitude of religious sects. Almost every different congregation might probably have had a little sect by itself, or have entertained some peculiar tenets of its own. Each teacher, would, no doubt, have felt himself under the necessity of making the utmost exertion, and of using every art, both to preserve and to increase the number of his disciples. But as every other teacher would have felt himself under the same necessity, the success of no one teacher, or sect of teachers, could have been very great. Secularize the state, disestablish the established church have it stand as one amongst many and bishops in the lords, and let a thousand community centres bloom of all faiths and non-faiths and any other communities and that would probably be the best option compared to theocracy, sectarianism, or the state bulldozing and bringing its own biases in and creating a huge reactionary response. forkboy84 posted:The Boris siren  
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fuctifino posted:If the Tories are going to be in power for another year, that means that Rishi is almost certainly getting stabbed in the back and we are going to have our 4th(?) PM since the last election. I don't think that's nailed on, they know as much as we do that the writing is on the wall. They're almost certainly going to lose the next election, the party will probably be massacred, and a lot of Tories are going to lose their seats. Who wants to be the person in charge of that sinking ship? Much better to let Sunak ride out the year, take all the blame, and then set themselves up as the True Conservatives who have no connection at all to what happened before.
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BalloonFish posted:Mostly rhetorical question: Why are xenophobes/bigots so convinced that anyone speaking a language that isn't English in public is talking about them? It's a motif that comes up again and again - "It's not right hearing people speak Polish on the bus. You Don't Know What They're Saying!! Always felt like a bit of an ego thing going on, you are so important people will, of course, talk about you. My cousin once told me about a time he was working in London and his mam and dad visited him. they were in a cafe talking in Welsh when a woman on the next table turned round and said "I know you're talking about me, you Welsh have such a chip on your shoulder." Then got up and left.
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My the "the Welsh have a massive chip on their shoulder" t-shirt has a lot of people talking in Welsh around me...
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